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wooooo (926 D)
07 Dec 08 UTC
One More- The Rifles
1 more to start --- 12 hour turns
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diplomat1824 (0 DX)
07 Dec 08 UTC
New Game, Low Buy-In
New Game. Title is "Hyperinflation"

5 (D) buy-in, 24-hour phases. Designed specifcally for noobs.
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Giramondo (100 D)
07 Dec 08 UTC
France China and the Dalai Lama
BBC news "Chinese state media have criticised a meeting between the French president and the Dalai Lama as being "unwise" and hurtful to the Chinese people."
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scottkwong (426 D)
07 Dec 08 UTC
Another Build Location Bug
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6910
Russia can only build in Moscow and St. Petersburg despite the other home supply centers being open. Is there any way to fix this?
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DipperDon (6457 D)
07 Dec 08 UTC
Hacker(s) Were Reading E-Mails?
In the Points Problem thread, Kestas wrote: "...but they could have looked at your e-mail...No files were altered, because outside users could only read the files but not modify them"

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ValHelmethead (100 D)
07 Dec 08 UTC
Build Location Bug
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7151

Italy can't build fleets in Rome and Naples, and I can't build an army in Constantinople. Coincidentally enough, that's what we built in each of those locations before the reset.
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sick pup (114 D)
06 Dec 08 UTC
It's a Bird, It's a Bird, It's Superman
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7220
please join game :D
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
03 Dec 08 UTC
Here...the stupidity of Zxylon.
Zxylon is a fool. Madmarx is going to be 3500 points up because of that.
I request two things: 1. We remove Germany. 2. We draw 4-way.
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
03 Dec 08 UTC
Tue 04 AM I have decided to let France win. The only way I will resist him is if you all attack Russia in the next year in which case I promise he will not win. If you have questions about how I can keep these promises contact me in my personal chat box.
Tue 04 AM :) Nice
Tue 05 AM Ha.
Tue 07 AM Well, even if we all attacked Russiam and suppose we got all his SC's France would still be able to force his way to 18. Norway, STP and Berlin and that's it for us.
Tue 09 AM That's the crux of the problem Zxylon.... you have screwed up to the extent that none of this is in your hands. France can do as he likes and you cannot stop him. You have brought shame on the Fatherland.... how you are still in power I will never know!!
Tue 09 AM Scenarios are basically this:
a) you and France continue to try for your 17-all draw, by first having us turn on Russia.... then you turn on the rest of us. This is all assuming MM doesn't get bored and snatches the solo that is there for the taking.
b) we don't sell out Russia and France wins anyway

With your frankly disgraceful behaviour to date you don't deserve even a sniff of a point and I intend to stand by my Russian ally. I would expect an outcome like this in low point games, but I had hoped that playing these high stake games would involve a higher calibre of decision making.
Tue 09 AM Gentlemen, let's keep it civil :)
Yes - the game did not turn out to be much fun (for most of us at least) for different reasons. What can you do - shit happens :)
Let's finish it off somehow without letting it get too ugly.
10:33 AM You all fail to understand that I agreed for France to invade me to get you to break your alliance. We have been in an alliance since day one and we remain allied. I have decided to let him win because he is my ally. I could convince him otherwise, but you only have one year left. I had an amazing game and I feel that he deserves the win. You have one year to attack Russia or he wins. Good Game
10:37 AM I am proud to allow France to take the entire pot which you 3 gracefully allowed me to do. I would much prefer that, than to agree to a 5 way draw
10:55 AM Ahh... you're right this is actually entirely our fault... silly me!!

i understand what you were trying to do, but you must accept it was entirely flawed logic. I appreciate the ingenuity of trying to sneak behind our lines, but the major flaw is that you had very little upside and bore all the risks. And I agree... hats off to France for convincing you to go along with this plan. It came with absoltuely no downside risk for him.

My only issue with it is that when one country (who hadn't been stabbed and was in a secure position) is prepared to sacrifice himself by "not doing what is in his own countires best interests" then there is nothing that anyone else on the board can do about it and ruins the game.

So all MadMarx has effectively achieved to pick up 3,500 points in this game is to combine with you to conquer England and then convince you to commit suicide. He didn't break through in the Med, he didn't conquer Russia/Austria he was presented with Germany and all of Scandi on a plate and didn't even have to work for it.
07:42 PM GER - sorry, but you're a moron - and have been acting like one the whole game. The only way how all you did would make sense if you were France's multi-account - which you're not :) - but that should give you an idea about how your actions atually look to everyone else :). If you had posted this nonsense above in the forum you'd be a laughing stock :( - and you should be ashamed by how you are playing this game.

FRA - dude, let's finish this game somehow, shall we? What are you waiting for? You have 2 simple options:
1. Get to 18 and win
2. Agree to a 5-way draw
This is for you to decide. Trying to keep an alliance with a muppet is wrong by definition - and you should know better :)
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
03 Dec 08 UTC
Guess who Zxylon is in this message.
Sioraf as Killeens (195 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
Germany?
Braveheart (2408 D(S))
03 Dec 08 UTC
I'm as annoyed as anyone about this game, but let's keep this out of the forum and settle it between ourselves 'in game'. if this can be removed from the forum by a moderator then would be appreciated.
xgongiveit2ya55 (789 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
lol
MadMarx must be one fine diplomat to actually convince his ally to approve and make no effort to resist a stab
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
03 Dec 08 UTC
Yeah...I did this to pressurize France and Germany.
sean (3490 D(B))
03 Dec 08 UTC
i understand people becoming puppets and slaves in PPSC games, indeed when ive been down to one sc and in danger of losing it all i have taken the slave route. but in a WTA? and in a situation where everone could have forced a draw on france?
thats low
but i dont think marek deserves any flak for it, uber diplomat! good job.
but germany.....
WhiteSammy (132 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
"Good alliances are the key to victory. However, when the time for talk has ended don't let them be a burden. You must act swiftly to cripple your enemy before they can react."

this is germany's comment on his profile
apparently he lies to himself
TrueHeart (162 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
Wow you guys are brutal, I hope I never fall into disfavor with any of you. ;-<
thewonderllama (100 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
Despite what we might think about someone's play, unless he or she is cheating, I don't think it's right to bring this to the forum. Especially when the stated intent is to pressure players involved.

No matter the type of game, players can be motivated by things you do not expect them to or personally agree with. I am of the mind that this is both inevitable and something a good diplomat will attempt to take advantage of. A guy tends to value alliance over victory? Ally with him, then take your victory. Someone values vengeance over victory? Convince someone else to stab him blind so you can take the spoils when he goes suicidal.

It is these kind of variables that make diplomacy interesting. It's a game of psychology: how well can you read your opponent, predict, and manipulate him or her?
alamothe (3367 D(B))
03 Dec 08 UTC
ah, Zxylon :-) even if you do manage to create a stalemate against a winning player involving him, he will stab you soon "for the fun of the game"... consider http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6316
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
03 Dec 08 UTC
The only one who is in the wrong here is you, Gobbledydook. It is outrageously unsportsmanlike to post about active games in the forums. You may not like Germany's strategy, but it IS HIS STRATEGY.

You realize, of course, that you are guilty of meta-gaming by posting this here, as you are obviously trying to use outside factors (such as other members) to influence your game.

I posted a while ago about people using the forum to influence active games, and it's too bad that these seems to be an emerging trend. I'd like to know that when I play a game, I don't need to defend my actions against the whole community as well as the 6 people I'm playing with.

Multiaccount inquires are fine, but moaning about your enemies is very poor and just makes you look like a fool. I'll certainly remember this if I'm ever deciding if I should play a game you're in.

scaael04 (100 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
abgemacht- You're effectively making more people read this by posting so it is further up the list - as am I, I know, but I'm with Gobbledygook, so I don't care.
DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
03 Dec 08 UTC
Good point abgemacht and I agree. This is an attempt to use outside pressure to influence a game. I won't even post my thoughts about Germany's strategy, because my opinion about it shouldn't matter. If after the fact someone wants to start a thread and give a hypothetical, or even a EOG statement, thats fine.
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
03 Dec 08 UTC
One should avoid copy and paste of other people's comments both in game and out of game.

Also it is not recommended that you bring into a Forum and on going game.

Please reconsider this action in the future.
Chrispminis (916 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
Much as I disapprove of Germany's actions, his choices are his alone to make. Clearly you did not did a good job of negotiating because Germany actually feels that MadMarx DESERVES the win. That's masterful right there.

As it has been said, please leave this in your game. There's no reason you should submit someone to public inquiry for doing something completely legal simply because it shafts you. I do not condone this thread despite promoting it through posting.
Chrispminis (916 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
I do commend all the players for having the balls to participate in such a high stakes WTA game.

I'm really surprised that a successful Lepanto occurred considering the stakes.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
Can I just comment on the fact that, whatever it may look like, we don't actually know what Germany is doing. It is his game and his strategy.
Centurian (3257 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
Wow. MadMarx must be cackling to himself right now.

I think this is so ridiculous that it MIGHT warrant getting put on the forum. Also, it could be argued that Gobble is within his rights to do this in the spirit of diplomacy.
spyman (424 D(G))
03 Dec 08 UTC
Germany was stabbed by France in Spring 1908. Sure he left himself open for a stab, but that is often how it is with alliances. After that I guess he thought his best chance was to become a puppet to France. I can understand why Gobblydydook would find the whole "attack Russia or else" ultimatum annoying, but that is the diplomatic path that Germany has chosen. Each player must play their own game as they see fit.
I think if he is not cheating then there is no issue.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
03 Dec 08 UTC
Not that it matters, and this would probably be a better EoG statement, but just a little background if anyone is interested. Early on, Germany and I agreed to a game-long 100% alliance to the end and a 17-17 draw as our goal. Once Italy stalemated me in the Med, our only chance to break the stalemate was in the east. Germany and I coordinated moves every season of this game. The initial "stab" by me was meant to get one of the others to play to win rather than to play to not to lose (I don't like 5-way draws!). Our only option, as we agreed, season by season, was to keep up the act in the hopes to eventually break through. Eventually it got to the point that the 17-17 draw was no longer an option, so we were faced with a five way draw, or a French solo. As I stated in game, I've seen two players agree to a draw and when it came down to the end, one could gain the victory, but he allowed his ally to tie and share the points. We did not have that option. Germany had to decide between asking me to give up ~2800 points so he could gain ~700 (as well as the three other "stalematers"... not that I blame them in this game, I just don't like that part of diplomacy) OR if he wanted his alliance to win all the points in this game while his enemies got none. If I had to make that decision, once the 17-17 dream was dead, I would have done the exact same thing (though I doubt many, if any, believe that).

PS - I only added this comment now sine this thread is near the top of the list anyway... I think it's horrible that that Gob is throwing Zy under the bus like this, but I'd guess Gob'll likely do things differently in the future...
mapleleaf (0 DX)
04 Dec 08 UTC
Why don't you beg the mods to let you out of the game? You've done it before.

Crybaby.
Pandarsenic (1485 D)
04 Dec 08 UTC
I think with the context of what MadMarx has said, Zy's actions don't seem so bad.
dangermouse (5551 D)
04 Dec 08 UTC
You should never let or help another player win. It violates the entire spirit of the game. This is especially true in winner take all games. If you are going to begin a game with the intention of ending in a draw then you should at least be playing PPSC.
WhiteSammy (132 D)
04 Dec 08 UTC
especially not a 3500WTA game
seriously WTF are you thinking or smoking (ill accept that one too)
Centurian (3257 D)
04 Dec 08 UTC
The evidence on why MadMarx is one of the top players here is right in that post. Quite the sugarcoated account. He equates Zys decision of supporting MadMarx as his "alliance" but supporting himself (through getting a draw) as "helping his enemies". The comment that none of us will believe it gives testimony to how ridiculous that is. Wow, you are a wordsmith Mr.Marx. Too bad I've never played a game with you. But I don't have the points it seems.
Zxylon (0 DX)
04 Dec 08 UTC
I just noticed this thread and I am offended by the comments about my strategy. I do not play to lose and I had more fun allying with France then I ever had in any game before. I never thought our fake stab would be so convincing that people would assume that I'm throwing the game. I find our alliance a rare but amazing feature of this website. Because of the nature of the 48 hour phases, we were able to construct elaborate movements that would never be possible anywhere else.

I agreed to let France attack me and we dicussed our options when faced with a stalemate. I decided to allow my ally France to win the game outright rather than to have a five way draw. It is not about points but the spirit of the game.

We agreed to a draw after several years to gain an advantage over the other players who thought they were playing for a winner takes all. That way we would avoid a stab. Unfortunately you all seem to think that me keeping with my alliance is "violating the spirit of the game" according to Dangermouse. I see your point and I would generally agree. However this was a specific example at a specific time.

Ill leave it at this: none of you but me and MadMarx can possibly understand the nature of our alliance because you cannot see our individual correspondance. If this post was not directed as an insult directly towards me I would never consider respondng. I kindly hope that none of you will think lesser of me. He would have done the same if we were in reversed positions.
DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
04 Dec 08 UTC
You know I was just rereading this even before Zxylon posted, and frankly, I am offended for you Zxylon. Not just that private game negotiations were made publich (which would appear to be metagaming), but that a member was called 'stupid' for playing a game how he saw fit. Call him stupid in game, but calling him out in the forum, very low class Gobbledydook.
Zxylon (0 DX)
04 Dec 08 UTC
The funny thing is... He was the first one eliminated in the game.
scaael04 (100 D)
04 Dec 08 UTC
"Germany had to decide between asking me to give up ~2800 points so he could gain ~700 (as well as the three other "stalematers"... not that I blame them in this game, I just don't like that part of diplomacy)" - MadMarx

Thats just ridiculous. You would not be giving up any points here. You were garunteed to win 200 atleast, which is not bad for a game that was presumably enjoyable for you.

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Agronox (105 D)
05 Dec 08 UTC
"Clean" maps?
I apologize if this has been brought up before. I haven't been able to find it in the FAQ or rules though. Is there a way to view a "clean" map of the board, without the attack and support lines of the previous turn?
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Wobble_Clock (196 D)
06 Dec 08 UTC
Morslamina
I was wondering if we could get two more players for this game, which closes in less than an hour. the name, a second time, is Morslamina.
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
06 Dec 08 UTC
Board- what is suppose to happen??
When in a game there is a heading lead called Board that appears to the left of Forum at the top of the page. What is it suppose to do when you hit it. (I am on a IMac/safari and nothing happens. What am I doing wrong....(please no geek talk)
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
05 Dec 08 UTC
Order of Countries in reports
Why are country's orders reported in the order EFIGART
I would have thought that either EFGIART or AEFGIRT would have been the norm,
not that it is a big thing... in fact it is a little tiny pick, but I am always curious as to why certain things are done by programers.
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battle_chief_92 (279 D)
06 Dec 08 UTC
Black Stars?
I know I've seen the threads before, but can't remember. What's a black star mean?
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
06 Dec 08 UTC
New Game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7218

please join
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DrOct (219 D(B))
06 Dec 08 UTC
Happy Repeal Day!
Meant to post this earlier....
For those of us in the US, Happy 75th Anniversary of the 21st Amendment!
Let's all raise a toast the the end of of the failed "noble experiment!"
Take THAT temperance!
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diplomat1824 (0 DX)
05 Dec 08 UTC
Question
Don't worry, it's related to Diplomacy.

What's the general rule of thumb for backstabbing a weaker ally? How many more SCs should I have before turning on my ally?
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Mintz (177 D)
05 Dec 08 UTC
I haven't played here for a while ...
I haven't played here for a while (a year maybe?). Have some of the gameplay bugs been fixed?

Does it play more like the real game now?
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
05 Dec 08 UTC
Pause suggestion
Why don't we make it so that you can specify the length of the pause in days when voting. I shall elaborate in the next post.
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
05 Dec 08 UTC
How do you get blocks of colors in you sign in name?
Some people like **Green Block**'s have this large block of green and then some letters.
That's cool looking. I would like to do something like Blue Block EDI Blue Block
how do you do that?
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
04 Dec 08 UTC
Just Waiting....
Please unpause this game

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6876
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
05 Dec 08 UTC
Smart Phones
Hey- Let me say how awesome it is to be able to easily play this entire game on a smart phone. Now I can't resist checking for messages from other players to plan a stab while I am at work, on lunch, in traffic, in long winded meetings, or relaxing on the couch.

-ag7433, aka too-lazy-to-think-of-a-clever-name-guy
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CaptBrooce (1082 D)
03 Dec 08 UTC
Surrender or Resign
Is it possible to surrender or resign in a game? Or is Civil Disobedience the only way that happens?
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Otto Von Bismark (653 D)
05 Dec 08 UTC
I just created a 1000 piont PPSC game
Hopefully we can get enough people to play. Join up.
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DipperDon (6457 D)
02 Dec 08 UTC
Kudos to Kestas and Anyone Else Involved in Development
After being here for about a month, I just want to say how awesome I think phpDiplomacy is. Thank you, Kestas, for all the hard work that you've put into making it available to everyone.
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dawid (100 D)
05 Dec 08 UTC
How do you log off if you accidentally said remember me...
I click sign out, it does and then it immediatly signs me back in.
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
05 Dec 08 UTC
New Game - 117 PPSC 24 hr phase called Beedle Dart
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7200
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KK (140 D)
05 Dec 08 UTC
Fast game see below
Please just join if you can check every 4-6 hours (if less it's just great!), and a sleeptime of maximum 12 hours!

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7205
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sean (3490 D(B))
02 Dec 08 UTC
Unrealistic Diplomacy
What's the most unrealistic aspect of Diplomacy?
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
30 Oct 08 UTC
Public Press Game 2
See this thread for the other game:
http://phpdiplomacy.net/index.php?viewthread=325203#325203
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superchunk (4890 D)
04 Dec 08 UTC
NEW GAME! SuperChunk dares you!!
16hrs, 50pts, PPSC
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7198
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