https://www.facebook.com/events/714126695386141/
There's a protest with hundreds of people being organized to shame any female for being uncomfortable with a boy in a wig and skirt being in their change room.

Why is society supporting Lila's unhealthy path of confusion and destruction. If gender is nothing more than a social construct, why can't he be himself and remain a boy? If there is no difference, why? Heck why do we even have gendered washrooms at all for anyone if there's no difference.

Just felt like ranting. Later.

Hmm, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I mean, since she identifies as a girl, she should be able to use the changing room for girls, but the entire point of segregated changing rooms is for women to not see someone's penis while they are changing, and vice-versa.

What about "gender fluid" people? Should they be allowed to flip flop between changing rooms depending on the day? This is very confusing.

The boy's and girl's locker rooms are named because of the sex they are intended for, not the gender. Lila's new identity is wonderful for her, but it does not change her sex, which determines what locker room she uses.

And I would go so far as to say that many of the girls protesting the school's decision are probably trans- allies, not at all bigots or transphobics, but are legitimately uncomfortable to the point of protest.

I find this very disturbing too. Personal I feel the only valid solution is to do away with any type of segregation and just have ONLY unisex bathrooms/washrooms.

http://m.daytondailynews.com/news/news/gender-bathroom-policy-starts-debate-in-troy-schoo/nnT69/

Here is another battle...

Toilets are less of an issue, as I believe I am correct in the belief that girls exclusively use private cubicles. The reason we have segregated changing rooms is so that women may change without the presence of men making them feel uncomfortable. Having people with male genitalia using them clearly counters that, although I see no reason you can't install private cubicles for those with particular issues that would solve it.

@Your opening rant: "Why is society supporting Lila's unhealthy path of confusion and destruction. If gender is nothing more than a social construct, why can't he be himself and remain a boy? If there is no difference, why? Heck why do we even have gendered washrooms at all for anyone if there's no difference."

Gender roles are a social construct.
Gender identity is a biological-neurological feature.
Gender expression is a conscious choice.

You can feel you gender expression is inappropriate, that certain sexual characteristics are over or under pronounced - for example, if you are male do you decide to wear a beard? (That is a part of your gender expression, and fashions have changed over the centuries, and across social classes) if you are female the biggest social arguement is over your breasts, and whether a)men should be able to dictate when they are shown, and b)whether they should be sexualised by random passerby when you are using them to feed your child? (They are primarily for sustenance, but also exist as a secondary sexual characteristic, so gender role typically set expectations on how and where they should be shown)

Nothing is 'just' a social construct.

She was not 'born male', she was assigned male at birth.

If they are allies, they have a responsibility to educate themselves regarding Trans issues. And this is a big one.

"Hmm, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I mean, since she identifies as a girl, she should be able to use the changing room for girls, but the entire point of segregated changing rooms is for women to not see someone's penis while they are changing, and vice-versa."

Is that the entire point? And if so is that justified.

First of all, i am a trans ally; i have lived with a trans woman. We have shared a bathroom. The last thing she want is for me to 'see her penis' - this is a part of her body which is associated with dysphoria, probably a lot of shame and discomfort. Most trans women don't want anyone looking at their genitals. They don't want to look at their own genitals.

If the only reason for gender segregation of looker rooms is to stop girls seeing a penis - and this leads me to ask if you want to ban all pronography, or just gender segregrate it, so only homosexual acts can be depicted and only men are allowed watch the males, while only women looks at the females... - IF this is the only reason, then i'm pretty confident that ANY trans girl is going to be hiding her penis better than you can even begin to comprehend.

I suspect that the reason for gender segregated public toilets was to prevent public sex acts. (Though obviously this doesn't prevent gay sex acts, in fact it may encourage them... ) i suspect that Victorian attitudes towards sex were at work (at least in england) and that we have inherited this.

I am also sex positive, and believe these attitudes are harmful, that they contribute to rape culture and unhealthy sex lives in general - to an unhealthy and dangerous sex industry.

Overall, there is a big issue which needs to be dealt with; and not just trans rights.

I don't know many gender fluid people, so i don't know what they think. As such i believe they should be asked the question, an i should not presume to answer for them. They are the ones most affected by any decision.

So, why are we segregating based on gender at all?

I don't see a problem here that can't be solved. When I go to the gym for example there is an open space to change but also cubicles for those who either don't want themselves to be seen in states of undress or if they don't want to see other people in states of undress. Redesigning locker rooms so that everyone can choose how they change would solve the problem. Let's not look for problems, let's just solve them.

It seems like trains allies want to have it both ways. The girls that don't want Lila in their changing room aren't allowed to have legitimate privacy concerns about sharing a locker room with an individual that has a penis, but Lila must be allowed to use the girls' locker room so that Lila doesn't have to share a locker room with individual with penises. Also, why is the assumption that locker rooms are segregated by gender rather than sex? Sex is static whereas for some people the assertion is that gender is fluid. If we are going to continue to have segregated bathrooms and locker rooms it seems like the segregation should be based on static biological sex rather than potentially fluid gender.

To clarify my sex is static point, I realize that sex can be changed through an operation, but at any given point in time it is static and cannot be changed at a whim the way a fluid gender can be. If Lila has surgery to remove Lila's penis then she should use the girls' locker room the way I see it.

Also trains is of course supposed to be trans and individual with penises should have been individuals with penises.

Krellin?

Hey, guys, I'm worried about Krellin. He should be here. On this thread. Do you think he's okay? Someone should check the hospitals.

i personally see this the same way that i see a female by sex transgender person trying to go tp a pool in a male swimsuit: unless there has been a lot of "corrective" surgery, it should not be allowed. source: someone with a transgender brother (by sex, not extremely devout).

How awful it is that Lila's identity has confused you, and angered you because you don't like being confused.

How selfish of Lila to be going through this and thus make your world more complex.

What about all the thin girls that don't want to share a changing room with fat girls?

What about the popular girls that don't want to share a changing room with geeky girls?

What about their rights?

No. Get a grip.

The idea that Lila, isolated and vulnerable as she may be, should be sent to the boy's changing rooms is ridiculous -- as if teenage boys would handle this person any better than teenage girls?

All it takes is one bully in that girl's changing room or, and much more likely, one petty parent, to whip up all the other girls into a campaign against this girl.

Flum, that you so willingly believe the discomfort of "all" these girls to be "obvious" isn't bigoted but it is surprisingly/disappointingly naive.

Maybe some were uncomfortable. But don't pretend that bullying and pack-mentality could not have been involved here.

People who play games, who may be indentified as 'gamers' can suffer many forms of stereotypes, judgement and abuse -- it always disappoints me to see people from that same group treat other minority groups with similar misunderstanding, lack of empathy, and intolerance.

Wjessop, why does Lila have more rights than the rest of the school? I think everyone should be treated equally. Everyone use the locker room for their sex. If gender is fluid and thus unknowable how can you possibly implement a workable gender-based locker room policy? How will you know whether hypothetical student "Johnny Lawrence" genuinely has female gender or is just pretending to do so to go ogle half-naked girls like a young Mike Huckabee would've done? I'm not implying that this Lila is faking/pretending to be female gender, but if you make an exception or change the rules for Lila how do you then deny young Mr. Lawrence? Also the article says the girls that don't want a biological male in their locker room are bigots for that, but then what is the reason for Lila to be in the girls locker room? If it is no big deal for girls to share a locker room with someone with a penis then why is it a big deal for Lila to share a locker room with the boys?

She doesn't have 'more' rights.

She was born male but should be female. This is not an easy realisation; this is not a decide-on-the-day issue. This is a very long difficult process.

The idea that a male student, your Johnny Lawrence, could turn up one week and 'decide' to use the girl's changing room is spurious and a bad example. This is not what's happening.

Your language is what is at fault here; it show that you are viewing this incorrectly.

Lila did not wake up and decide this.

Her sex was born wrong.

Her sex should be female and if she's transgender she's acknowledging that.

The piece of flesh that we call the penis is so irrelevant here.

She is a girl. Girls change in girl's changing rooms. It's that simple.

The disagreement and difficulty you're having with this is really lack of understanding about trans people.

I wish you could see that.

And the people giving you +1s for your post.

Sometimes a majority is wrong. Sometimes it's just a mob, that isn't being tolerant or giving space to understand.

And sometimes the mentally ill are wrong, and sometimes blue is blue no matter how much you want it to be red, and no matter how much your enablers confirm your self-delusion.

It's called "Indecent Exposure" and "Assault" in most legal settings. That is what this BOY commited against innocent girls.

Simple solution, or maybe not that simple. The girls would notice if they were being ogled by a male who was abusing a situation (has this happened, I haven't heard of it) and then corrective action could be taken, but as long as the person in the changing room was using it to simply change, there shouldn't be a problem. Women go into single-sex dressing rooms all of the time, as so men, and it is very likely that someone in said changing room would be gay and ogle them just the same. No ogling no problem.

The other girls in the locker room feeling unhappy about this (about another girl changing with them, who wasn't born a girl but has acknowledged since birth that she is a girl and lives as a girl) need more education to realise that the issue of a penis here is redundant; it's not a threat and these girls are not in danger, no rights are being impinged by the presence of this girl.

The best place for a girl to get changed (as we live currently) is clearly in the girl's changing room.

It really is that simple.

@Espi: you say that above as if straight men/boys do not glance at other men/boys.
Penis envy? People looking at each other is human life.

Espi.... So by your analysis, he is only wrong if HE is caught "ogling"? Lol. Idiotic. Because HE doesn't have peripheral vision?
Went does HIS " right" to not be offended supervede the rights of ALL the GIRLS in the GIRL'S locker room?

This isn't about equal rights. It's about special privilege for a political class of people.

The SIMPLE solution was offered - a special bathroom for the BOY who didn't wasn't to change with the boys. He DENIED the simple solution and demanded to step on the rights of girls.

Where the hell are the Feminists protecting young girls these days?