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Fluminator (496 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
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Safe space for right wing Conservatives
This is a thread for conservatives to talk away from the judging eyes of liberal progressives.
Please come in and share your feelings. This thread is going to be our home.
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Spitnaz (350 D)
27 Jun 17 UTC
Convoy question
If an army is being convoyed into territory A by a fleet in sea B and is supported into A by another unit, what happens if a fleet in Territory A is supported into Sea B?

Do they bounce because of equal force, or does the fleet from A dislodge the fleet in B before the convoy is successful?
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CAPT Brad (40 D X)
18 Jun 17 UTC
In ‘Megan Leavey,’ a Marine, Her Dog and a Bond Forged in War
i saw it today, great movie. it even gives Sen Schumer some props.
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michael_b (192 D)
27 Jun 17 UTC
New Live Game!!
Hoping to create a live game for Modern map for a change. Please join! We need 10 players!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=201108
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wpfieps (435 D)
25 Jun 17 UTC
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A new metric
I am (humorously only) proposing a new metric for judging users via their profiles, the "Likeability Metric (LM)"
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swordsman3003 (13772 D (G))
23 Jun 17 UTC
high-level gunboat - any interest?
I'd like to play a game with, say, folks who are in the top 50 gunboat players according to the ghostratings. Would we be able to put a game together?
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swagdaddy69 (100 D)
26 Jun 17 UTC
Live Game Tonight!
Bumping a live game full press.

Here is the game ID: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=201073
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slypups (1889 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
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New team-play game - PAIRS
I'm looking to set up a new team-play game on the Modern Diplomacy II map for five pairs of players to work as teams.
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Jacob63831 (160 D)
24 Jun 17 UTC
Best song
If anyone has an even better one please post it
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captainmeme (1020 D Mod)
21 Jun 17 UTC
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British Safe Space
This is a thread for actual English-speakers to show their true colours, away from those bloody Americans.

If you happen to live on the first floor and need take a lift down to the pavement and fetch some aluminium foil from your car boot, this is the thread for you!
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Valis2501 (2597 D (G))
23 Jun 17 UTC
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Peterwiggin is in my room
what do
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Waustin (0 D X)
19 Jun 17 UTC
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A prealliance WW1 mock?
Does this sound balanced or does it need work? Obviously it doesn't require actual diplomacy but I just wanted to think about the map and how well it correlates to WW1.
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peterwiggin (14991 D Mod (S))
27 Mar 17 UTC
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Spring 2017 School of War thread
This thread is for commentary and discussion on the spring 2017 School of War Game: gameID=194759
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brainbomb (325 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Is the devil real?
Does anyone have evidence of the existence of the devil.
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Jacob63831 (160 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Why does my leg hurt?
Can someone help me?
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bakay_ilya (100 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
hello
hi all,I came from Russian community
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Smokey Gem (184 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
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Do any females ( real ones) play dip ?
Do any women play diplomacy at F2F events or online ??

I think not..
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Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
14 Jun 17 UTC
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Why?
Discuss...
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CommanderByron (858 D (S))
19 Jun 17 UTC
I hate to be that guy

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SerbijaJeBosna (0 D X)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Foreigners
Any other Non Americans here?
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bakay_ilya (100 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
go blitz classic
hello,boys and girls,go play blitz game
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
#BLM
Black or blue?

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/white-st-louis-cop-shot-black-off-duty-officer-then-claimed-it-was-a-friendly-fire-incident/
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CptMike (4388 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
Fair play :-)
Hello guys. I just wanted to congratulate Dagabs0 for his fairplay here agreeing to reroll after a misorder of his opponent... Fairplay.

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orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Jun 17 UTC
Are question of morality.
Reading about anti-fa and communist resistance in Auschwitz.

Were they culpulable collavorators who didn't do enough to save the many executed? Or did they do as much as anyone could be expected to do in resisting Nazi power and surviving the camp? https://libcom.org/history/life-centurys-midnight
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Jamiet99uk (440 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
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Unsafe space
This is a thread for vile insults, vicious personal attacks, and hurtful, hurtful remarks of all kinds.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
21 Jun 17 UTC
Who is ready to take the challenge?
I'll boycott liberal media and read only right wing shit if one of y'all agree to read only left wing media. The challenge is only for a week. Anyone accept?
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ND (879 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
I watched CNN when I got my teeth cleaned at a dental appointment a month or so ago.
JamesYanik (548 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
@ND

my god. did they give you an anesthetic???
leon1122 (170 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
So is this a 1:1 thing? Who wants to pair with me? I consider Breitbart, National Review, Judicial Watch, The Hill, and the Daily Caller to be conservative. Infowars is acceptable as well. Voat.co is also the conservative, far-right version of Reddit. I'll read whatever my liberal counterpart recommends.
TrPrado (456 D Mod)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Scarlet:

By chance do you consider yourself a socialist? Is that, also by chance, where the username comes from?
ND (879 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
@James: Lol no, it was just a regular dental cleaning. You know, once every few months or w/e and they have tv's in the room. CNN was on so I watched it.
TrPrado (456 D Mod)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Having TV's on in front of patients who've received anesthetics is a bit of a waste of energy.
ghug (5046 D (B))
21 Jun 17 UTC
I love this Scarlet person.
TrPrado (456 D Mod)
21 Jun 17 UTC
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If ghug likes him he can't be that great.
Hauta (1618 D (S))
21 Jun 17 UTC
@yanik, I think many of us check out the other side from time to time but because we always get revalidated/immunized from our safe news sources, we never truly go down the rabbit hole. Take the trip, man.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Oh my god, I hate MSNBC so much. They make shit up left and right.
Hauta (1618 D (S))
21 Jun 17 UTC
@manwe, sounds like you are ready for the challenge.

Btw, PBS and NPR are acceptable sources on the left. I'll miss them this week.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
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I would do it, but nothing I use is on the right. Most of what I consume is fairly unbiased fact based reporting, with one or two left leaning sources sprinkled in. I read/watch Yahoo news, Wall Street journal, USA Today, the Economist, and Bloomberg. Here's a good source for determining where the major news networks line up on the spectrum - http://www.businessinsider.com/what-your-preferred-news-outlet-says-about-your-political-ideology-2014-10
Hauta (1618 D (S))
21 Jun 17 UTC
Good link @Manwe, thanks.
Hauta (1618 D (S))
21 Jun 17 UTC
Day 1:
Breitbart had 3 main articles about the Georgia special election. The first has a Democrat blaming the party for not championing people's issues. The second has Democrats blaming Ossoff for being too civil. (Obviously, Democrats are the party of intolerance). The 3rd, citing Tucker Carlson, reinforced the message that Ossoff is an elitist, like people from NY and LA. The other 3 articles are about a Democrat lawmaker who is intolerant of Blacks, a Democrat professor who blames Democrats for the ills of journalism, and about Eric Holder's possible presidential bid.

The Blaze had 4 main articles: 1. Hillary Clinton being investigated by the State Dept for mishandling classified info. (I guess this validates Trump somehow. I don't know any other reason to beat the Hillary drum) 2. CNN was visibly sad at Handel's win (because CNN is biased) 3. An intolerant liberal guest on Fox got her come-uppance by getting fired from her job 4. Handel "crushed" Ossoff and winner projected EARLY. (yay team!)

In my view, TheBlaze has a lighter touch -- more insidious.
The worst part is that, without my favorite new sources, I am left hungry for what REALLY happened last night. But I don't have the stamina yet to search the right-wing sites to find out other news (like generic world news that theoretically should be the same on both sides). In fact, I feel like I need to take a shower.
Ogion (4263 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
No, scarlet is a conservative troll

Ogion (4263 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
And liberals (in the American sense) are on the left

Notice how scarlet has offered precisely zero time this thread. Just a stone throwing. No names of publications or positions scarlet considers pure and holy enough to be "leftist". Hardly anyone outside of poser cafes near college campuses uses that term anymore, by the way, so you're going to have to work harder at your trolling.
Ogion (4263 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Lol. Man we gets presented with facts and he thinks their made up. The problem with conservatives in a nutshell
cspieker (18223 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Only 6 days to go! :)
Ogion (4263 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
And I grew up in a semi rural county, my parent paid mostly for undergrad but not for either of the graduate degrees, my neighborhood is being gentrified around me (I live in a 1950s cabin in the woods), my parents marriage and my grandparents marriage were both illegal in Virginia until Loving v Virginia, I have lived on four continents and travelled to many others, was in an interracial marriage myself and have married gay brother and a gay kid. And seeing as I am a descendent of Montezuma (yep) and my no, peanut butter is not spicy.
Ogion (4263 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
And as a result of seeing people hurt and killed by racism, sexism, and homophobia, I take a zero tolerance pokiy. Bring that shit to my door and I'll give you a solid tongue lashing. If being a decent human being makes you elite, then yeah I am elitist. I have no patience for people who justify their hate and bigotry with this nonsense that it is somehow "elite" to treat people as human beings with dignity. It isn't "elitist" it's called "not being a douchebag" and you're love of NASCAR and beer doesn't excuse it. NASCAR and beer can be pretty cool and that crowd includes a lot of lovely people (who probably don't like you either), but it isn't an excuse for bullshit

Thanks for playing Scarlett. Try agin, pendejo
Ogion (4263 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Oh and my dad who paid for my college? He was a refugee and a former slave
cspieker (18223 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Thanks for your courage Hauta, and the rundown of articles. I frequently bump over to FoxNews to see how the day's news is being reported (I'm a regular NYT reader), and it presents quite a different world for sure. Foxnews seems SO amaturish though, with typos, really crappy layout and like the html was put together by a sixth grader (or me). I am interested in checking out some of these other sites that are accepted by the right.

I'd also be interested in hearing a "breakdown" of todays news a la Hauta's report, but from the corresponding conservative challenge-taker.
Ogion (4263 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
I've done this before, and the result was that I pretty much lost any respect for the right having seen this tripe. There are conservative sources with intelligence, but not many.

I notice you don't have the economist or the WSJ aren't on your list.
cspieker (18223 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
Seems like National Review is probably OK? I'd try reading WSJ, but it's behind paywall.
Ogion (4263 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
National review is a good one.
teacon7 (301 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
It seems like the goal is to become more familiar with the viewpoint and arguments from another side of the left/right divide in American politics...? This is a noble aim. There's a good idea behind this challenge, though I'm not entirely sold yet. I've done things like this, and mostly just gotten frustrated at the end.

I might suggest this, if for no other reason than discussion: part of the problem is being captive to the news cycle.

Let me explain: Left and Right have different takes on roughly the same set of events, and rev up their respective media outlets in response to whatever is "going on," in attempt to earn persuasive capitol for their ideology. The interpretation of a data point will in general come from the philosophy. At best, each outlet has an honest interpretation of what happened, at worst - it's media "spin" and "propaganda." I suggest that well meaning news-cycle newsmedia of all ideological stripes tend to fall prey to confirmation bias, as the data can easily be spun to mean whatever you already wanted it to mean. Trump could tweet the letter "b" (nothing else) and... I can only imagine what narratives each side would invent in explanation.

Now perhaps that's all fair play in a cultural battle between "left" and "right." (relative terms that don't seem very helpful to me at all... as if a "center" compromise was somehow the correct resolution of a given issue). But being beholden to the outrage machines of either left or right sides in a conflict seems to me to be very unhelpful.

I'm a social, economic, and political conservative, but I cannot stand fox news. Even if I might agree with them on a point, it's too caustic, and feels too much like an outrage machine. I can't stand CNN, ABC, or MSNBC either, for the same reasons, though they're coming from another ideology. This is partly because of an obvious bias to the information AS presented, and the information SELECTED TO BE presented. (NPR is much more palatable in tone, but seems to present things from an overly progressive viewpoint so I don't spend a ton of time there anymore).

I despair of finding an unbiased news source. Media outlets are biased from the start, because they predetermine which sorts of stories to look for, then in gathering data to report, they select those data points that fit the narratives they want to push. Even well meaning reporters do this, since "reporting the news" implies a perspective as to which events are "newsworthy." Getting news from the internet is also suspect, as social media is curated by algorithms... either Zuckerburg's algorithm selects the newsworthy items, or you've disabled that and created an echo chamber for yourself. Either way, it's not helpful.

For a challenge I'll give this: listen to MainStreamMedia sources only insofar as you're looking to compare/contrast what data was selected as newsworthy, and to what extent the data was selected. FOX/MSNBC is probably a decent pairing for tv, (though maybe ask someone who uses that media regularly). ... not in terms of tone or intent, but simply for "what counts as news."

Or better yet: go after think pieces. Not the events themselves, but the philosophy behind them. You're finding someone you know has an opinion that differs, so they're seeing the world in a different way. MSM is a terrible place to hear reasoned arguments, because that's not what the medium is for. I'm not a conservative because of some event that happened in a news cycle when I was 18 years old, or because one particular news outlet told me how to think about Comey. You're not a progressive because of Harambe, Trump, or Obama - at the root of it, political leanings ought to follow the principles we hold dear to our hearts... with or without the propagandized maelstrom of a news cycle.

The renaissance and reformation period of history had a phrase that seems appropriate here. "Ad Fontes" means "to the sources" ...that is, go to the source documents to learn what they really said. Don't rely on commentaries about commentaries about the original events ... just go find the thing yourself. Want to know about Comey? Find to the original audio/transcipts of the hearings. Want to know about a bill? Read the text of the bill yourself, or watch the congressional events on C-SPAN. Read SCOTUSblog to get texts of actual debate between justices.

More to the point, if you want to know what conservatives think or why, stop writing off conservatives as racist, homophobic, sexist, greedy ignoramuses. The charge is probably true of some of us, the same way that other negative charges are true of some-but-not-nearly-all progressives. If you were paying attention to the latest US election cycle, you'll notice that both major parties weren't exactly united and confident in a particular candidate. What factions among the american political parties could you respect, even if you don't like everything they stand for? How would you even know, if you're going to write everyone off in black and white terms?

So forget MSM. It's a big, lame shell game with far too much incentive to spin things for political gain. You're smart enough - go read some of this and let's report back on the ideas. Find a piece here if you're conservative-curious. I can't vouch for what portion of red states they represent, and I have no intention of convincing anyone of anything. They are all conservative sites. I don't agree with any of these all the time, and you don't have to agree with any of it at all. This is a field trip, to see if we can seriously engage ideas. For the sake of good discourse, let's stop arguing about the shadows on the wall of the news cycle, and get out into the sunshine of the ideas driving people to react the way they do.

http://thefederalist.com/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/
http://www.heritage.org/
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/
https://www.prageru.com/ <---good for "explain it to me like I'm five" concept videos
https://fee.org/
https://home.isi.org/

If I were to try to check out "left leaning" analogues of these, where would I go?
cspieker (18223 D)
23 Jun 17 UTC
I think you'll do pretty well to listen to the mainstream NPR news shows (Morning Edition, All Things Considered). You've mentioned them already. I think you can get good information fairly unfiltered from the New York Times if you discount the headlines and just dive into the actual stories. Neither of these are "thinkpiece" sites, but I don't know those. Another pretty fun discourse on current issues is "The Gist" a podcast on Slate.com. He (the host Mike Pesca) does seem to try to be fair in the meat part of the podcast (usually a guest , sometimes a conservative) which is bookended by two segments that are much more editorial. Check 'em out.


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Jacob63831 (160 D)
22 Jun 17 UTC
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Feature request
Why should we have to like everything

We need a dislike button
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Ezio (1746 D)
21 Jun 17 UTC
'Murican Safe Space
We need a space where we can talk about Guns and Freedom without ridicule. Too many people on the forum are too judgmental about real 'Murican values.
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swordsman3003 (13772 D (G))
21 Jun 17 UTC
Gunboat Solo-win plan: Germany
(A) almost always taken
(B) usually taken
(C) sometimes taken
(D) rarely taken
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Chaqa (4025 D (B))
20 Jun 17 UTC
The Safe Space Safe Space
Where you can be safe from all these bullshit threads
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