I will. I'm sure you will turn a blind eye to anything Lord Trump does wrong.

If he does something wrong then I will call him out on it. So far he hasn't done anything wrong.

He's done lots of wrong things... But ue is A) getting away with it and B) doing what he promised.

Whether he bought 19% of the russian national oil company is unclear, but i suspect everything else is just a smoke screen.

And C) history is written by the victors... So whether he 'does anything wrong' or not depends on when he stops winning!

@"@Bo: No. Obama drone striked for 8 years. He launched a war in Libya. He was running guns and covert operations in Syria. He had covert operations in Yemen, Pakistan, etc. The amount of innocent civilians that died either directly or indirectly through his actions are in the hundreds of thousands if not millions."

Obama was a Terrorist*, and i've said this hefore. But you can't simply use the crimes of the last guy to excuse the crimes of your current guy.

*i have explicitely stated on the forum that the murder of Osama Bin Laden was a crime. And that he should have been brought to trail. Even in principle.

@"No, ND, I don't absolve them of responsibility, but foreign arms deals have been going on since, uh, forever, and people have been getting killed as a result of them since, uh, forever. That's what this country does. Obama, Bush, Clinton, first Bush, Reagan, on and on and on, all had semi-disastrous weapons deals. Trump will too. Bank on it."

Saying it has been going on forever doesn't justify continuing doing it.

Obama would have banned arms sales to the middle east. Jill Stien promised to ban sales to Syria, she didn't get elected because Anerican voters think it is ok to be the 'policeman of the world' - note some americans think Police are a threa to their lives, not a thing which provides safety... 'The World's Policeman' really takes on a different meaning in view of BLM.

@"ND
Trump isn't going to meddle in foreign wars Bo. He wants to fix this country and help the U.S. recover after a disastrous 16 years."

He has sent troops into Yemen already, right? (And lost one Navy Seal, and one $70 million piece of hardware.)

ND has no idea what he is talking about, his estimate is a trump era estimate. Alternative estimate.

ND, your "wrong detector" is malfunctioning.

@Ogion - Sounds very much like you're assuming something about me and then putting words in my mouth. Are you interested in understanding, or dismissing people who you disagree with out of hand?

@pastoralan - You may be right. On the other hand, I don't have any problem finding both R's and D's culpable for loss of life. They can both be wrong. Ethics is really only a subset of political maneuvering if our worlds are circumscribed by the MSM. Perhaps that's why we're in this mess to begin with.

@ND I cannot find any facts about immigrant arrests because they don't exist. It is on you to prove that immigrants from these countries are disproportionately arrested for terrorism. Please link your source.

Oh and by the way ND, you didn't ask me to look up the figures, you disappeared after I asked for them, as you will after this post. Immigrants from the banned countries are not arrested more for terrorism.

@ND

i did forget Afghanistan, but on another not no other combat zone had major casualties... right? I mean if you accuse a man of killing (or being responsible for the deaths of) millions then I want something tangible to back that up.

See the Ideas for resistance thread. ND is lying, on purpose.

An important thing to keep in mind is that the United States Government considers all "military aged males" to be terrorists until someone proves them otherwise - and there is no legal process for proving a deceased Yemeni or Iraqi or Syrian "not a terrorist". So when the government says it kills 15 "terrorists", it really only means that they killed 15 males between the ages of 16 and 60 (or whatever the official "military" ages are).

And estimates are the only real measure of human beings around the world killed by American military actions, since the American government and its lackeys in the media steadfastly refuses to keep "body counts". Anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's when it comes to the number of people killed by one president or another in the perpetual "War on Terror". And drone strikes aren't the only method of raining death and destruction on hapless people who have no ability to fight back. The American military has not abandoned aerial or artillery bombardments by any means.

Over 50 million children killed in US since 1974. Good job, liberals and moderates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States, 1970 - 2013 :51,888,303

u crazy dog

a few thousand undifferentiated stem cells =/ a child

If you really thought fetuses were equivalent to human life, you would be protesting every day. In your world, the US is committing the worst genocide in history. And you're doing nothing but shitposting on Webdip.

Oh Capt Brad, what a clanger, A fetus in the womb is not a child. Yes I would much prefer that all men were much more careful with the way they indulge in sex, remember that if no sperm are carelessly deposited inside a woman's "lady parts" then no unwanted, unplanned pregnancies would occur.
I think it's about time, NO, it's well past the time when the majority ( love that word) of men stepped up and took responsibility for their sperm and where they leave it, and unless they are trying to sire offspring that they can protect, support, nuture, educate properly, etc, then use protection and common sense. It's easy enough to figure out when a woman ovulates in her cycle, so simply using condoms, and because condoms are not 100% effective, but I guess about 99% effective, then the extra precaution is to adapt sexual behaviour around the time in a woman's cycle when she is ovulating

And let me clarify part of that, the bit about it being well past the time when the majority of men stepped up and took greater care and responsibility as to where they leave their sperm.... This should not be inferred as allowing a small group of men to not take such care and responsibility.. ALL men should take great care and responsibility with where they leave their sperm...I simply acknowledge that some men already do take such care and responsibility, but clearly they are in the minority given all the thousands of unplanned & unwanted pregnancies that occur.
Stop messing about at the "problem end of the problem" Capt Brad and punishing women, if you were seriously concerned about this issue you'd be attacking the "root causes" rather than playing dilletante in the forum.

How can a fetus in the womb not be considered a child. Certainly not scientifically. All science points to the fact that a conceived child is a child. It is only politics and self-serving interest that claims otherwise. I do see the budding of putting responsibility on men in your argument and I agree but I go further. Men should never have relations with a woman unless they intend to have a child with her. So many men when the conception occurs forget all of the promises they made when seeking access to 'lady parts'.

Furthermore I take issue of your accusation of my 'punishing' women. You have know idea of the lengths that I have gone and will go to assisting, protecting, and walking with women.

The prissy mentioning of sperm in your diatribe not only is ridiculous but offensive towards responsibility and heinous to the idea of a loving and nurturing relationship of men and women in the raising of children. No wonder you can deny that a fetus is human

Condensation you are an idiot and not worth responding further to on this

@captn Brad, there is no way science tells you anything about what to call a fetus/embryo/zygote - whether you use the word child or not, that is political NOT scientific.

Science can say 'we're using this label for phases 1,2 and 3, and label2 for phases 4, and 5...'

And then it goes on to describe using the labels. But it is a requirement of science to define specific language to describe the system first. You can't address a topic without it. It is not the result of sciencing.

Further, science doesn't define personhood, but it does provide the background under which we do so - for social reasons. We care about people because thry are unique, they are complex, and we have choosen to assign value to them.

The uniqueness doesn't come from the DNA, the complexity changes over time. And the choice, well that varies, but some people value humans who look like them more than humans who don't. (This being rascism)

The complexity is the most interesting thing, and it resides almost exclusively in the brain (though there is mounting evidence of the importance of brain-body connections) and a fetus doesn't have the same level of complexity. An adult cow has more complexity - in case i don't say so, i am a pro-choice vegetarian.

Let me be clear, i am not saying you should have less respect for a fetus because it has less complexity than an adult cow. I am saying you lack empathy for adult animals because your morals are twisted and overly human-centered. You lack the ability to care about animals in the same way some humans lack empathy for people of colour.

This appalls me, far more than a woman who choose not to bring a new life into this world.

And while understanding the science of complexity informs my view, it is no a scientific view. It is a social view, a human invention on what I choose to value. You have no claim to being more or less scientific. All humans assign meaning and value to things and doing so is social not scientific.

Brad, why are you not rioting? Why are you sitting at a computer while millions of people are being murdered?

The idea that science says anything about the ethical value of fetuses is laughable. Science is an epistemic system that cannot determine right or wrong, only true or false.

I would like to say that if Hillary was president, she would do bad stuff that you would turn a blind eye to. Also we wouldn't be rioting in the streets or spamming forum with everything Trump has done. He won, and there is nothing you can do about. Go cry in a corner and then get a life!