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Deinodon (305 D (B))
03 Oct 15 UTC
1,408 balanced reduced latin squares.
Once a half a year or so ago on here, I mentioned this paper http://condor.depaul.edu/mash/Diplomacy.pdf and how I'd really like to get my hand on some of those squares. Well, Tim McMurry sent me 1,408 reduced latin squares to be used in balanced diplomacy tournaments.
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Dannyux (282 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
How long does it take a 5 min game ?
How long does it take a 5 min game ?
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Doug7878 (626 D (G))
02 Oct 15 UTC
Classic Gunboat Anon WTA 120D 92%RR
Classic Gunboat - Anon, WTA, 120 D, 92% RR, Hidden draw votes
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jmo1121109 (3802 D Mod)
02 Oct 15 UTC
Excel Question
If anyone has a surface pro 3 could you run the following code in Excel's VBA immediate window: ? application.operatingsystem
and let me know what you get?
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Jamiet99uk (25 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
Nuclear Armageddon
The UK Labour Party's new leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is being attacked by some people because he said he would not use nuclear weapons, if he was Prime Minister in future.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
01 Oct 15 UTC
Equality vs Equity
"A state of equality still leaves the most marginalized groups as they are: oppressed." Discuss
(From: https://medium.com/@elierlick/why-equality-is-toxic-to-the-transgender-movement-f176634bbd3f )
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damian (675 D)
17 Sep 15 UTC
Anyone up for a game or two?
WTA, full press, 36hour, 99%+ RR only.
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ConorK (107 D)
29 Sep 15 UTC
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The Art of Correspondence in the Game of Diplomacy
Hi folks, I just wanted to alert the webdip community to my new book. I've finally completed a two-year study of what makes for effective negotiations (and what doesn't work so well). http://www.amazon.com/Art-Correspondence-Game-Diplomacy-ebook/dp/B015XAJFM0/ Thanks, Conor
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wjessop (100 D X)
20 Sep 15 UTC
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Mafia XII: X-Men Apocalypse
See inside for details.
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Durga (2658 D)
01 Oct 15 UTC
Share your sweet tunes
What do you beautiful webdippers like to listen to when you're getting ready for the stab? I'm looking for new music, please share good things :)
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D (B))
17 Sep 15 UTC
Top 100 GR game. Full press. Anon. WTA.
Hi all, I want to try and play one more game before I take a break again. Some games I played the past months have been great, others a bit disappointing. Overall I still think GR is the best indicator for a noNMR high level of press game, as it was three years ago before I returned to the site. So for my last game before my break I'd like to try and set up a top 100 GR game. Is there anyone out there willing to spar?
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TheGambla (10 D X)
01 Oct 15 UTC
My Game
Join my game pls i need people http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=168050
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TheMinisterOfWar (509 D)
16 Sep 15 UTC
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Off to work to play Diplomacy
Today I'm in the fantastic position that I'm off to work to play Diplomacy. Or at least, GM it. A local bank is setting up a game for 300 (!) employees, in a trajectory to kickstart discussions about trust and audacity in company culture. I'm really interested: have others ever used Diplomacy in a professional setting? Maybe we're on to something.
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backscratcher (459 D)
30 Sep 15 UTC
Help with strategy for Amer. Empire?
Could someone who has good experience with Fall of the American Empire please PM me? I have a question.
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peterwiggin (15247 D Mod (S))
29 Sep 15 UTC
The Art of Correspondence in the Game of Diplomacy
http://www.amazon.com/Art-Correspondence-Game-Diplomacy-ebook/dp/B015XAJFM0/

Somebody should read this and tell us if it's any good.
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ejb0527 (378 D)
30 Sep 15 UTC
Is forum allowed to give game advice?
Please respond
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
29 Sep 15 UTC
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A Perfect Example of Why a Knew Player Shouldn't Start With a RR of 100%
userID=74305 joined this evening and promptly CD'd in both of his games. He should have never been allowed into a game with a RR limit of 80%.
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diplomat61 (283 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
Ready vs Not Ready
Are players confused by the Ready/Not Ready button?
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
23 Sep 15 UTC
So I have permission to use a 3D printer for my boardgame prototype..
Now I need 3 D models to print and use as units. I need tanks, infantry, helicopters, planes, artillery, battleships, factories, territory markers (flags or more creative) and possibly the resources oil, iron, gold and aluminium depicted somehow..
Could I find files for those somewhere? Thoughts?
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
28 Sep 15 UTC
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webDip Live Gunboat Highlights Game 2
Valis and I went on a D&D bender last weekend, so we didn't advertise very well, but we still want to do this so let's get a game going tonight! 8PM EST. Solo and get interviewed! Express interest below!
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beniliusbob (0 D X)
27 Sep 15 UTC
How does PPSC work?
I thought that in PPSC you always, no matter what, hey points according to the number of SCs you control. But someone in game told me that if you draw, all the points are split among survivors.

Can someone clarify for me?
trip (562 D (B))
27 Sep 15 UTC
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That someone is right. If the game is drawn, the points are divided evenly among the players taking part in the draw.

PPSC doesn't work because it encourages players to lose rather than draw. Play WTA.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
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In PPSC games:

If result is a win for one player, all points are split by number of supply centers between the victor and survivors.

If the result is a draw, all points are split evently among the draw participants.

It's a screwy hybrid with screwy incentives.

Don't play it.
Octavious (1707 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
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PPSC is quite good when you're just starting and would quite like to keep a few points for your efforts despite failing to get a decent result. In reality, though, unless you are one of those players who actually value points and play games with large point entry fees, there is no real difference between PPSC and WTA.

trip (562 D (B))
27 Sep 15 UTC
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If one values GR over points, it makes a huge difference.

ben: GR stands for Ghost Rating, which is a ranking system created by a player named TheGhostmaker, and is based on results over point gathering.

http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist/ghost-ratings-by-category
lorelei_s (1096 D (S))
27 Sep 15 UTC
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The rules regarding points are all here:

http://webdiplomacy.net/points.php

The "Draws" section answers your specific question.
IshmaelGuantanamoIV (100 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
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Idea- a point distribution system where:

Upon soloing, the victor takes 100% of the points.
But upon drawing, survivors get points according to their supply centers. This solves the annoyance of small powers getting equal shares in a draw, but also removes the incentive to eliminating powers.
Octavious (1707 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
@ trip

How does it make a huge difference? You will only notice any difference at all if you've specifically joined a game with a large pot, and you only ever join those if you value points in the first place.
Yaleunc (11052 D (B))
27 Sep 15 UTC
Octavious - I'm pretty sure the Ghost Rating calculation is very different between PPSC and WTA with respect to solos. In WTA you basically get all of the combined participants' GR (minus your expected value) whereas in PPSC you at most get 18/34 of the combined GR (again minus your expected value). I.e. Soloing a WTA game improves your GR much more than soloing a PPSC game against those same opponents.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
It depends on what meaning you ascribe to "value."

For me, the main value of points is as a barrier to entry for new, inexperienced, or untrustworthy players. If you've worked hard enough to earn 300-400 D, then that means you've got some skill. This works for me because I prefer to just create a game with a higher point threshold and reasonable RR rating and let anyone join. Takes too much time to put out the word and invite people.

More points is kind of nice, but at a certain point they don't matter. Hoarding points isn't an indication of skill in the game, but skill in acquiring points.
trip (562 D (B))
27 Sep 15 UTC
@ Oct: A person who has a high percentage of strong seconds in PPSC will (should) have a lower overall ranking than one who has a similar percentage of draws in WTA.

trip (562 D (B))
27 Sep 15 UTC
More points is kind of nice, but at a certain point they don't matter. Hoarding points isn't an indication of skill in the game, but skill in acquiring points.

That being said, most of the highly ranked players have high point totals, but that is to be expected as having positive results (point gains) is how the get that ranking.
Octavious (1707 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
Back when I first started cheaters would flock towards high point games. A live game with a buy-in between, say, 50 and 100 D had a high likelihood of having cheats in. Games with 5-10 point buy ins were almost always clean and fun. Games with over 100 D rarely had cheats, but were almost always full of people who believed in the "play to draw" philosophy.

Because of that early learning experience, I have always favoured low point games, and in the happy world of low points games you notice virtually no difference between PPSC and WTA. When nobody in your game cares about points, nobody has any interest in how the points are divvied up.
trip (562 D (B))
27 Sep 15 UTC
OK, I see what you're saying now. For the difference of a point of two there's no reason to throw a solo. My question would then be why set the game up as PPSC if it only makes sense to play WTA?
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
GR (and whatever we replace it with when we integrate an improved ratings system) will always follow the same incentives as the scoring system used.

I think there's a lot of confusion between scoring and ratings - here are some definitions that are useful:

Score: The outcome from a game. This tells you how good a particular game result is under a particular scoring system. On webdip, we (currently) have two scoring systems - WTA and PPSC.

Rating: Rating tells you how good a particular game score is for a particular user. Did a newbie get eliminated vs the best on the site? Well, that's not a bad result. Did the best on the site and get eliminated vs a bunch of newbies? That's a pretty terrible result.

Our scoring systems are very easy to model (ignoring points for a moment): In WTA, you score 1/(number of winners), where "winners" includes draw participants. You score 0 otherwise. PPSC scores 1/(draw size) in a draw, or (number of centres)/34 in a solo. You score 0 otherwise. Modelling the score this way is what GR currently does.

Webdip currently has two scoring systems (PPSC and WTA) and two rating systems (points and GR).

No matter what the rating system used, you should be able to maximise your outcome from the game by maximising the outcome from the scoring system.

I would very much like to add another scoring system sometime (say WTA for solos, but draws divided by centre count somehow). We've discussed adding sum-of-squares scoring in the leadup to the World Diplomacy Championship next year - since WDC is using sum-of-squares next year. Sum-of-squares has the WTA-in-a-solo but centre-count-in-a-draw mechanic. However, a real concern is that we don't want to fragment the player base too much.

We're definitely planning to have a better rating system fully integrated, though. Who knows, maybe one day we'll remove points entirely (*ducks*)

~webdip dev team lead
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
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Also, this question comes up so often that it makes me think we should at least consider renaming PPSC (assuming we don't remove it in favour of another scoring system). It's clearly misleadingly named for new members, and I don't think that's a good thing.

As an aside, I think webdip is pretty unique in the use of PPSC scoring - I'm not aware of another site that uses a mechanic where there are second places in the event of a solo. I don't think it's at all common in the FTF world either.
diplomat61 (283 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
I think PPSC creates an incentive to keep playing rather than NMR. If you are in a poor position, with no chance to win, you might still get something from PPSC but not WTA.

The same effect applies to replacements. At the moment I am in a PPSC game as a replacement. There was never any chance of winning but I should get something from being a survivor. I would not have taken this on if it was WTA.

Points don't matter to me per se, but they matter to me because without them I cannot play.
JimTheGrey (968 D (S))
27 Sep 15 UTC
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It's probably blasphemy to think this, let alone speak it out loud, but it's pretty clear to me that whomever designed the PPSC mechanism misunderstood the concept of center-based scoring.
@Jim: I was thinking the exact same thing!
beniliusbob (0 D X)
28 Sep 15 UTC
Thanks for the explanations everyone!

PPSC does seem odd, now. I honestly thought it meant "points per supply center," so it's interesting to learn that it's really "points per supply center if not drawn." It's interesting because it works out for losers, is irrelevant for drawers, and is bad for winners. Huh. I'll probably look to join more WTA games now... maybe it will make me more bloodthirsty... and/or get defeated more.

As an aside, I'm pretty new at this but I like the points because I can call them "D-points" and that makes me laugh. (I actually thought of them as "D-coins" originally, which is even better.)

@lorelei_s : Not that I didn't believe your in-game explanation, I'm just the kind of person who likes to validate the facts. :)


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orathaic (1009 D (B))
28 Sep 15 UTC
Robot workers and an oversupply of labour
just reading some lite economics news. Morgan Stanley did an analysis recently and blame everything on demographics (and the inclusion of Chinese and former Soviet workers into a global workforce)
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diplomat61 (283 D)
28 Sep 15 UTC
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Downloading map files
I would like to download the maps for each turn in the 30-odd games I have played. Downloading each is painful, is there a way to download all those for game?
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rbeyers (100 D)
28 Sep 15 UTC
rules question
suppose Russia is trying to move to Bulgaria from Rumania (1 army). At the same time Turkey is trying to move to Bulgaria from Con (1 army). At the same time, Austria is trying to move to Bulgaria from Serbia with support from Greece.

will the unit from Serbia make the move?
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
24 Sep 15 UTC
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Come play world of warships with ss and me
^
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backscratcher (459 D)
23 Sep 15 UTC
Any good advice on Italy in Modern?
Whp can give me some good quality advice on how to do well at playing Italy in Modern?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
27 Sep 15 UTC
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ok, time for some contraversy: Is Cereal Soup?
I haven't posted much this last week; So i thought i'd post this rather polarising topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ak89FwYeI
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Valis2501 (2057 D (G))
18 Sep 15 UTC
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Highlighted Live Game(s) this weekend.
Hello Everyone! As above, below.

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TheMinisterOfWar (509 D)
25 Sep 15 UTC
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U Dip Face-To-Face event in Utrecht, Netherlands
This Saturday, 26 sep. Details inside.
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Baskineli (100 D (B))
26 Sep 15 UTC
I guess I'm back
A lot of things have changed...
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