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principians (881 D)
01 Oct 15 UTC
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45th mass shooting in america in 2015
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Fluminator (496 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
I'm from Canada.
I know a bunch of families that own guns and even more who have gun liscences.
pangloss (363 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
Canadian here. I don't think I know anyone in possession of a gun, but both my parents went to university.

I suspect there are a number of gun owners in rural areas of Canada (i.e. the great unwashed). These would be primarily for hunting and keeping coyotes off the farm. For the most part, I would expect them to be shotguns and thus particularly difficult to use in a mass shooting.
Fluminator (496 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
Almost everyone I know with guns went to university, there's not much of a relation there.
I live in Alberta/Saskatchewan area which is quite different from the east though.
Octavious (1707 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
Depends on which east, I guess. All my lot live in Newfie, which I dare say is a little different to other parts of Canada.
semck83 (229 D (B))
02 Oct 15 UTC
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@jamie,

"If gun ownership is not the cause of gun violence, then what *is* the cause? What drives American gun owners to kill, where their cousins in other nations manage to exercise restraint?"

I don't think there's a single answer. Most American gun violence happens in the inner city, much of it black people killing other black people. Our inner cities are far more toxic than those in most other countries, and the reasons are extremely complicated. Obviously, our history of slavery and foot-dragging on civil rights for a century is a big component; one can then dig into more detail on the specific steps along the way that transformed those behaviors into urban disaster. (See also: US incarceration rate and that of the world, compared).

Then you have the mass shooters. This is a relatively small blip on the overall homicide rate; we're talking about it because it garners far more news attention, for reasons having to do with what makes exciting news. (Good luck ever seeing the latest gang shooting in Chicago on the national news). Nevertheless, it's still fair to point out that the US is in the upper level of countries when ranked by mass killing deaths per capita. (See http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/ ). I think that this particular killing actually acutely highlighted one of the real reasons for this: all the notoriety and attention accorded to the killers, which is extremely appealing to people who feel they are life's losers and will never be heard. So I think it's a kind of cycle that has erupted recently (notice that it has trended sharply upward relatively lately, despite gun culture being an extremely old aspect of American culture).
Fluminator (496 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
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"Most American gun violence happens in the inner city, much of it black people killing other black people."

Also, a lot of it is white cops shooting black people too.
semck83 (229 D (B))
02 Oct 15 UTC
"Also, a lot of it is white cops shooting black people too."

A vastly smaller amount, but that is another problem, yes.
EvW (100 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
"all the notoriety and attention accorded to the killers, which is extremely appealing to people who feel they are life's losers and will never be heard."

If someone did the same in Europe, they would get the same attention. Yet it rarely happens here. I don't think the ease by which Americans can legally acquire weapons can be understated in such discussions. Yes, there's other problems, and of course it's always the bad apples committing the heinous crimes. But I think it's safe to say those people would be less inclined to act upon those urges were it not so easy to get their hands on guns. Most of the shooters aren't people who would otherwise be labelled as "criminals". Those are disturbed people who can get that coverage because it's so easy for them to do so. If someone in a western european country feels bad and decides their life isn't worth anything anymore, they wouldn't shoot up a school. Simply because it's not easy to find guns for them.
semck83 (229 D (B))
03 Oct 15 UTC
EvW,

As the link I shared showed, it *does* happen in several western European countries at a higher rate than in the US (though their populations are small, so one has to be careful with sample size). I'm sure gun availability makes this easier, but my point is that that's hardly sufficient. The cycle happens to have started here. It hasn't most places in Europe, thank God. Let us hope that it does not.
EvW (100 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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Which stat are you referring to? As I see the US homicide rate is way higher than that of the european nations cited. The only (european) country exceeding usa's mass shooting fatality rate is Switzerland by a small margin and Norway, which I believe to be boosted by Breivik. As the article stated:
"We’ll note that all of these countries had one or two particularly big attacks and have relatively small populations, which have pushed up their per-capita rates. In Norway, that single attack in 2011 left 67 dead by gunfire (plus additional bomb casualties). Finland had two attacks, one that killed eight and one that killed 10. And Switzerland had one incident that killed 14."
The choices of those countries is also peculiar. As far as I know there have not been any mass shootings In Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg (small as it is), Scotland, Italy, Spain, Sweden etc...
semck83 (229 D (B))
03 Oct 15 UTC
That's what I said, EvW.
Jamiet99uk (430 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
@ Octavious: Why do you think, since Dunblane, the UK has not had a major "mass shooting" incident of the kind that happens in the USA many times each year?
Jamiet99uk (430 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
@ Octavious: "There is no shortage of guns in Britain."

For balance, I should say that I know exactly two people who own a gun they are allowed to keep on their own property. Both are farmers, with valid shotgun licences. It should be noted that legally owning a pistol is (rightly) almost impossible in the UK, and that the concept of normal members of the public owning guns for "self defence" is virtually unknown in the UK - in case Octavious had given a different impression.
Jamiet99uk (430 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQQK9UIWsAAQHRT.png
Octavious (1707 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
@ Jamie

You don't consider that business in Cumbria a few years back to be a mass shooting incident? You don't count those few tragic events where a parent shot their family before shooting themselves? How strict a definition are we sticking to here? In terms of people being shot in a college, no, but I'd argue the setting of the crime is the least important detail.

Members of the public owning guns for self defense is known in the UK, but almost exclusively within inner city gang culture. Legal gun ownership is very much about owning a tool to do a job, or take part in sport.
diplomat61 (278 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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Isn't it time that Congress made mental illness illegal?
semck83 (229 D (B))
03 Oct 15 UTC
Here's an interesting post.

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
Octavious (1707 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
For those interested in legally owning handguns in the UK, choice is rather limited. However my local firearms shop offers these possibilities.


Available very soon a very limited supply of Taurus LBR’s, only in .38/.357.

These will be on a first come first severed basis so please don't wait to long to reserve yours.

As you all know these revolvers are not being made any more so if you do want one this could well be your last chance!

GSG 1911 .22 Long Barrelled Pistols should also be with us shortly, limited numbers so get your name down quick.

Price for the gun will be £495 and spare mags will be £25 each.
Yoyoyozo (182 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
"These will be on a first come, first severed basis"
It's a trap. Is this how the UK deal with all prospective gun owners? No wonder no one owns a gun there.
Octavious (1707 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
Lol! No, no trap. They are perfectly legal. The long barrel combined with a balance rod stuck out the back makes the pistol ever so slightly longer, end to end, than 60cms. This makes it look a tad silly, but it gets it around those pesky gun laws.
Jamiet99uk (430 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awgs0burFTk&feature=share
pangloss (363 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk


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shield (3929 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
12h game of modern dip
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Deinodon (359 D (B))
03 Oct 15 UTC
1,408 balanced reduced latin squares.
Once a half a year or so ago on here, I mentioned this paper http://condor.depaul.edu/mash/Diplomacy.pdf and how I'd really like to get my hand on some of those squares. Well, Tim McMurry sent me 1,408 reduced latin squares to be used in balanced diplomacy tournaments.
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Dannyux (282 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
How long does it take a 5 min game ?
How long does it take a 5 min game ?
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Doug7878 (776 D (G))
02 Oct 15 UTC
Classic Gunboat Anon WTA 120D 92%RR
Classic Gunboat - Anon, WTA, 120 D, 92% RR, Hidden draw votes
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jmo1121109 (3812 D Mod)
02 Oct 15 UTC
Excel Question
If anyone has a surface pro 3 could you run the following code in Excel's VBA immediate window: ? application.operatingsystem
and let me know what you get?
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Jamiet99uk (430 D)
02 Oct 15 UTC
Nuclear Armageddon
The UK Labour Party's new leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is being attacked by some people because he said he would not use nuclear weapons, if he was Prime Minister in future.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
01 Oct 15 UTC
Equality vs Equity
"A state of equality still leaves the most marginalized groups as they are: oppressed." Discuss
(From: https://medium.com/@elierlick/why-equality-is-toxic-to-the-transgender-movement-f176634bbd3f )
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damian (675 D)
17 Sep 15 UTC
Anyone up for a game or two?
WTA, full press, 36hour, 99%+ RR only.
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ConorK (107 D)
29 Sep 15 UTC
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The Art of Correspondence in the Game of Diplomacy
Hi folks, I just wanted to alert the webdip community to my new book. I've finally completed a two-year study of what makes for effective negotiations (and what doesn't work so well). http://www.amazon.com/Art-Correspondence-Game-Diplomacy-ebook/dp/B015XAJFM0/ Thanks, Conor
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wjessop (100 D X)
20 Sep 15 UTC
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Mafia XII: X-Men Apocalypse
See inside for details.
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Durga (2658 D)
01 Oct 15 UTC
Share your sweet tunes
What do you beautiful webdippers like to listen to when you're getting ready for the stab? I'm looking for new music, please share good things :)
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D (B))
17 Sep 15 UTC
Top 100 GR game. Full press. Anon. WTA.
Hi all, I want to try and play one more game before I take a break again. Some games I played the past months have been great, others a bit disappointing. Overall I still think GR is the best indicator for a noNMR high level of press game, as it was three years ago before I returned to the site. So for my last game before my break I'd like to try and set up a top 100 GR game. Is there anyone out there willing to spar?
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TheGambla (10 D X)
01 Oct 15 UTC
My Game
Join my game pls i need people http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=168050
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TheMinisterOfWar (509 D)
16 Sep 15 UTC
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Off to work to play Diplomacy
Today I'm in the fantastic position that I'm off to work to play Diplomacy. Or at least, GM it. A local bank is setting up a game for 300 (!) employees, in a trajectory to kickstart discussions about trust and audacity in company culture. I'm really interested: have others ever used Diplomacy in a professional setting? Maybe we're on to something.
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backscratcher (459 D)
30 Sep 15 UTC
Help with strategy for Amer. Empire?
Could someone who has good experience with Fall of the American Empire please PM me? I have a question.
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peterwiggin (14991 D Mod (S))
29 Sep 15 UTC
The Art of Correspondence in the Game of Diplomacy
http://www.amazon.com/Art-Correspondence-Game-Diplomacy-ebook/dp/B015XAJFM0/

Somebody should read this and tell us if it's any good.
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ejb0527 (354 D)
30 Sep 15 UTC
Is forum allowed to give game advice?
Please respond
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abgemacht (1067 D (G))
29 Sep 15 UTC
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A Perfect Example of Why a Knew Player Shouldn't Start With a RR of 100%
userID=74305 joined this evening and promptly CD'd in both of his games. He should have never been allowed into a game with a RR limit of 80%.
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diplomat61 (278 D)
27 Sep 15 UTC
Ready vs Not Ready
Are players confused by the Ready/Not Ready button?
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
23 Sep 15 UTC
So I have permission to use a 3D printer for my boardgame prototype..
Now I need 3 D models to print and use as units. I need tanks, infantry, helicopters, planes, artillery, battleships, factories, territory markers (flags or more creative) and possibly the resources oil, iron, gold and aluminium depicted somehow..
Could I find files for those somewhere? Thoughts?
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abgemacht (1067 D (G))
28 Sep 15 UTC
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webDip Live Gunboat Highlights Game 2
Valis and I went on a D&D bender last weekend, so we didn't advertise very well, but we still want to do this so let's get a game going tonight! 8PM EST. Solo and get interviewed! Express interest below!
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beniliusbob (0 D X)
27 Sep 15 UTC
How does PPSC work?
I thought that in PPSC you always, no matter what, hey points according to the number of SCs you control. But someone in game told me that if you draw, all the points are split among survivors.

Can someone clarify for me?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
28 Sep 15 UTC
Robot workers and an oversupply of labour
just reading some lite economics news. Morgan Stanley did an analysis recently and blame everything on demographics (and the inclusion of Chinese and former Soviet workers into a global workforce)
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diplomat61 (278 D)
28 Sep 15 UTC
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Downloading map files
I would like to download the maps for each turn in the 30-odd games I have played. Downloading each is painful, is there a way to download all those for game?
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rbeyers (100 D)
28 Sep 15 UTC
rules question
suppose Russia is trying to move to Bulgaria from Rumania (1 army). At the same time Turkey is trying to move to Bulgaria from Con (1 army). At the same time, Austria is trying to move to Bulgaria from Serbia with support from Greece.

will the unit from Serbia make the move?
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abgemacht (1067 D (G))
24 Sep 15 UTC
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Come play world of warships with ss and me
^
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backscratcher (459 D)
23 Sep 15 UTC
Any good advice on Italy in Modern?
Whp can give me some good quality advice on how to do well at playing Italy in Modern?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
27 Sep 15 UTC
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ok, time for some contraversy: Is Cereal Soup?
I haven't posted much this last week; So i thought i'd post this rather polarising topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ak89FwYeI
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Valis2501 (2667 D (G))
18 Sep 15 UTC
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Highlighted Live Game(s) this weekend.
Hello Everyone! As above, below.

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