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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
20 Sep 12 UTC
Six-ty nine digits
Only 596969 games to go until we can play gameID=696969
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Ulysses (724 D)
22 Sep 12 UTC
Sublime Diplomacy Commentaries
He's too dignified to post this here himself I think, but Triumvir's webdip commentaries are fantastic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=813S6_MfaHs&feature=g-u-u
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
How Can You Get To 270 Without "The 47%," Mr. Romney?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/mitt-romney-47-percent-full-video-_n_1893615.html
1. Reactions, at all, to that 47% comment?
2. There is some truth to the comment, but was it politically-wise to make?
3. Saying that they're not the one's he'd worry about...how do you DEFEND a statement telling half of America you're an irrelevant leech to Mighty Mitt?
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Putin33 (111 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
"A Nancy Pelosi--*shudders*--of my home state...THAT is a Far-Left Liberal."

What on earth is your problem with Pelosi? You've never bothered articulating it, you just heap abuse on her and want us all to believe she is some kind of bogeyman ruining the country. She is one of the most effective & productive speakers *ever*, and her time in office makes Mr. Boehner's time look like Camelot by comparison. And she did it all while being the first woman in the post. She's a class act and it's rather disgusting she has people like you in her state to deal with.
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
You're not really paying attention, Bob. The Democrats want to raise taxes on the rich to Clintonian levels. Not exactly social democracy, but a hell of a lot better than the Romneys and Ryans of the world who want to gut taxes on the rich to below Bush levels, while jacking up military spending way over & above Bush levels while privatizing Medicaid & Medicare.

The national Democrats in the House proposed a public option for healthcare reform. They've passed the Employee Free Choice Act. The national Democrats just passed the Dream Act. They ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell. They passed the Equal Pay for Equal Work Act. They instituted a consumer protection agency. They implemented new rules of oversight over the financial sector. The Stimulus was targeted to the middle class and extended unemployment insurance. Healthcare reform expanded coverage of children, students just out of college, and also expanded contraception coverage.

If you think the Republicans are doing the same thing you're just being dishonest and I don't really have the patience to bother with this bogus argument.
Putin33 (111 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
This is what Nancy Pelosi did for Obiwan, no thanks to Obiwan or his 'moderate liberal' buddies.

http://www.acct.org/HR3221-Summary.pdf
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
Oh, yeah, no Moderate Liberals voted for that in the House AT ALL, Putin.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
"What on earth is your problem with Pelosi?"

I despise her, on one count, for the same reason I despise her opposite, Mr. Boehner, in the House, and Bill O'Reilly and Jesse Jackson in the news circle...

They're all rather radical sects of their party.

As the violence in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and, well, let's just say the entire Middle East essentially right now shows...

Radicals are a bad, bad, BAD thing--

When in power, they're destructive, when out of power, they destroy the image of their platform.



The world is built by moderates, Putin.

I'd even go to your personal ideological roots and argue that if a supposed American proletariat exists, it is a moderate body.

They are not Far-Left, condescending, simpering, sneering vampires like Pelosi...
They are not Far-Right, callous, cold, elitist, WASP-ish monstrosities like the Randian Right members of the House, Boehner, and indeed, Paul Ryan...

They are Center-Right, Center-Left, or Center.

They are MODERATES.

For any progress to come about in this country, both the Right and Left--which both have flaws, let it be said, and yet both have strengths in their ideologies as well...

For any progress to be made, both sides and ideologies must work together at some level, DESPITE their ideological differences.

And the Radicals like Pelosi and the Stonewall-It-And-Always-Say-No-style Republicans are what MOST Americans are fed up with, Putin.

Who here agrees with that, if I may appeal to the rest of the Panel, as it were?

Who here agrees with that sentiment or would at least concede the average voter would make such a statement, that they are sick of the stonewalling and no-compromise rhetoric back and forth in Washington?

YOU, Putin, have argued the idea that the two parties are NOT the same, at all.

I agree with you 100% there.

But to the average voter, they COME ACROSS as being so far, far too often, because...

When they look at the parties now, who do they see, besides the President?

The Radicals!
They see Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid!
They see Newt the Coot and John Boehner!
They see Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity!
They see Chris Matthews (who I wish would find his integrity again) and...well, they USED to see Keith Olbermann, but we all know how that ended.

To THEM, to the average voter, it's a lot of people in suits shouting at one another like radical, spoiled children.

^THAT is the harm of the radicals, and that is the first and most prevalent reason I despise Pelosi--

She is an insult to the idea of bipartisan cooperation that the Houses of Congress are dependent upon,
She is a symbol of all that is wrong with partisan politics, as is Boehner,
She is someone who the average voter--and even some registered Democrats such as myself--see as reflecting badly upon the Democratic Party in the public sphere,
She is someone who, one a personal level, again, comes across as condescending, simpering, and altogether a sickeningly-forced kind of "sweet" every time she laughs or smiles or sneers that sneer of hers.



She and her GOP equivalent, Boehner and Co., are KILLING political cooperation (if there ever was any to begin with) in this country, and BOTH need to be shoved to the sidelines and make way for cooler, more reasonable heads, that they, the Moderate-Left and Moderate-Right, can work not for the Blue States of America or Red States of America but the UNITED States of America...

Let the Pelosi/Boehner/MSNBC/FOX game of Red vs. Blue be consigned to Halo games.

Red vs. Blue is a childish attitude I find the above figures childish figures, and politics is a matter for adults...

And any adults here that are married will tell you compromise is CRUCIAL, Putin, to a lasting, beneficial relationship, and a sign of true maturity.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
"The only reason we're talking about disparity of wealth *at all* in this campaign is because of the shift in discourse caused by the Occupy Wall Street movement."

I call BS on that--

There's been talk of that for as long as I can remember...

Here,
At a State level,
At a Federal level,
On ALL the news outlets,
It's ALWAYS been an issue that's been discussed, especially come election time.

The Occupy People put at the forefront of a lot of people's minds for all f two months--

What you fail to mention is that it was in their minds in a NEGATIVE way, Putin.

Whether you agree or disagree with them (and I think we can tell which way you lean there) the fact remains most Americans did and do react negatively to it.



So well done by them!

They raised the issue by making us loathe their platform and thus cause people to drift away from Liberalism as they tied themselves to a pot-growing manifesto...

You say we MODERATES do nothing?

*WE*--and *I*--have done a hell of a lot more than sit on our asses with our overly-privileged backgrounds in Wall Street or San Francisco or LA or Toronto and shout slogans that a 5th grader could've improved upon and *do* NOTHING.

You want to actually do something?

Raise money.
Create a Super PAC.
Rally support with an ACTIVE, moving agenda and campaign...
Use the power of free speech on the Internet to spread the word...
^WHILE having an actual day job or schooling to attend during the day.

See, the funny thing is, Putin:

People tend to take your message of societal change more seriously when you've actually done something to CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY!

Charity work!
Volunteer work!
A job!
Going to school/taking an apprenticeship/internship so you can get training for a career!

And so on!

Sitting on your butt all day?

Sorry...that doesn't impress ANYONE of an active and socially-relevant fashion.

As much as I obviously don't like the USSR and am not a fan of Stalin, Trotsky, or Lenin...

THEY ALL *DID* SOMETHING.
THEY DID *NOT* JUST SIT AROUND SHOUTING THROUGH A SCREECHY BULLHORN.
Obi

1. You never actually point to any beliefs of Pelosi's that you find to be radical.
2. Moderates don't change shit, because moderates fear change. That's why they're moderates. If a moderate negotiates with a radical, the final outcome will resemble somewhere between 75-95% of what the radical wants.
dubmdell (556 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
"On a national level, the difference between Democrats and Republicans is that one party is slightly cooler"

If by "slightly cooler," you mean "uses air conditioning," then I agree. Remember, boys and girls, the real question this election is, are you cooler today than you were four years ago? National averages indicate that you're actually a degree /warmer/ under the Obama administration.
Maniac (189 D(B))
19 Sep 12 UTC
My reactions.

Elections are always won and lost in the middle. The trick is to appeal to the centre whilst not alienating your traditional support. This means sometimes saying slightly different things to different audiences or sometimes not saying anything at all on certain subjects.

Where Mitt has got it wrong is assuming that the 47% won't vote for him. This is a big error. Many people who benefit from a welfare state In the UK will vote for a party that want to limit welfare spending. They view other issues as more important or don't realise that they will be affected. For example many unemployed people may vote conservative if they feel they will be tougher on immigration.

Romney should concentrate on the centre and the policies that he thinks some of the 47% will support if he is to stand any chance of being elected.

obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
^THANK YOU.

What's more, to say it again...

The Top 10 states with the 47%-population are ALL Southern states, ie, ALL in Romney's base!

They would very likely still have voted for him!

But bordering those states in both geography and the place on that list are swing states like Virginia and New Mexico...how well will this go over THERE with independents who fall into the 47% and might have voted Romney before this?
Celticfox (100 D(B))
19 Sep 12 UTC
Pelosi really isn't all that crazy left liberal. She may talk like she is, but she doesn't vote like she is. If you wanna see a few people really to the left look at Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich. Those are really to the left in speech and in how they vote.

LordTywin (196 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
Are you kidding me? Being from california, she's even left wing for here. Pelosi is about as liberal as you can get. The Washington Times once printed a headline that said "Pelosi as Speaker Brings An Unprecidented New Level Left Wing Liberalism to Office."
Celticfox (100 D(B))
19 Sep 12 UTC
I am originally from California. She likes to talk like she's really to the left but look at her voting record, especially since becoming speaker. I really care what a politician says it's the voting record that really matters.
SacredDigits (102 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
Interesting side point: Mitt's 47% figure includes about 10,000 millionaires. Possibly even him, since he won't release his tax documents.
Octavious (2701 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
It'll be an interesting political experiment. My bet is that it won't do Romney any harm in terms of people who actually vote for him, but it may motivate a few of the lazy Democrats to vote who otherwise would have stayed at home.

The Palestinian comment won't do him any harm at all. It taps into the 'ungrateful bloody arabs' feeling that has made a home in the back of many American minds recently. And, when it comes down to it, the comment is not a million miles away from what one would suspect he'd think even if he'd said nothing.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
@LordTywin:

My sentiments exactly.
@Lord Tywin:

Was that before or after the article detailing who would be forced to get married to whom? All I'm saying is citing a cult's newsletter isn't gonna go very far.
ckroberts (3548 D)
20 Sep 12 UTC
To get back to the main point of this thread, the most interesting thing about this election is how poorly each campaign is being run (given that there's little meaningful difference between the candidates beyond style and rhetoric).

Romney is running a historically awful campaign. Glenn Greenwald asked on twitter if there had been a campaign as inept as Romney's so far, and I can't think of one. Maybe Goldwater? And yet! Somehow, Obama is just barely ahead in the polls. Romney, as awful as he has been, is still entirely in this thing. If Obama were just slightly competent, the election would already be over.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
20 Sep 12 UTC
I think it'll take a few days for us to see the effects of the videos on the polls. The latest pew poll had Obama with a 8 point lead nationally. The biggest problem in this and the last few elections is that it's really the swing voters that these candidates are catering to. Their bases are secure so they need to reach out to the 7-8 percent that Romney was talking about. Romney was wrong about that particular point. He's just an idiot for saying it. Those things have a way of getting out.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
20 Sep 12 UTC
If elections really mattered they would be illegal.
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
20 Sep 12 UTC
@ Tolstoy
if thats your opinion on the value of the democratic process, ( that millions fought for in WW2 ) then let me know how life in China, Iran, or any of the totalitarian nations suits you, as given your opinion, the logical thing for you to do is emigrate immediately to a totalitarian state where you apparently think life is so much better
LordTywin (196 D)
21 Sep 12 UTC
It's funny that the Democratic Party, which claims to be the champions of the poor, have far more money to spend on campaigning than the Republican Party which is proportedly the party of the greedy upper classes. Ironic isn't it?
CAN ANYONE DEFEND MITT ROMNEY???


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Yonni (136 D(S))
19 Sep 12 UTC
MODS - please check email
Don't normally do this but there's some time sensitive things that we'd love you guys to help with.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Sep 12 UTC
Brown v Warren
Not much coverage of this because of the presidential debate, but I'd like to know your thoughts.
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jcbryan97 (134 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
Lawyers, guns and money
In the past we've had games where all players were attorneys or law students. It was fun. I'd like to set it up again. Perhaps two games; a full press and a gunboat.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
18 Sep 12 UTC
Finally
Praise the lord http://webdiplomacy.net/profile.php?userID=32892
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Riphen (198 D)
21 Sep 12 UTC
Greatest thing I have ever done on this site.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=100044

I put in the last vote. Please look at messages in global chat :P Trollllllllllllllllllllllll
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
21 Sep 12 UTC
This one drives the math people crazy
If I had a dollar for every dollar I had, I'd have one dollar.
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icepebble (109 D)
21 Sep 12 UTC
Question
How do I find the game link of a game I am playing in? I am sure all you knowlegable forum folks can help me out here.
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Infected (0 DX)
21 Sep 12 UTC
1 more 5min left till start
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=100052
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krellin (80 DX)
20 Sep 12 UTC
Encourage Smoking - Save Money
Sure, smoking causes disease and statistically speaking kills you at an early age, possibly after radical cancer or breathing Treatments…but “healthy” people linger on, end up having multiple surgeries before they die, etc. In reality, smoking saves health care costs and should be encouraged. Plus, YJ likes it and should indulge…die happy!
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lmlkyhdh (204 D)
20 Sep 12 UTC
Email notifications?
Does anybody know if there is a way to receive email notifications when a game progresses to the next phase?
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
20 Sep 12 UTC
EoG: Pinball wizards
A swashbuckling Turkey!
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
03 Sep 12 UTC
Dutch thread
I wanted to start a debate on the coming elections, but I guess that's too narrow for a thread topic given most of your aren't Dutch. But how about a general Dutch thread?
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
19 Sep 12 UTC
The Monkey on my Back
(YJ needs your help!)
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jcbryan97 (134 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
Pc games
I'm in need of suggestions for PC games. Getting a new computer that can play current titles (at long last). Have an Xbox for fps type games. Looking for strategy/simulation games. In the past I enjoyed civ and the total war series.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
20 Sep 12 UTC
Redhouse is a Maggot Pusswad
Not at all clever with his bullshit, and frankly I'm sick of his attitude. I suspect he blows dudes. He also sucks at diplomacy.
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Conservative Man (100 D)
18 Sep 12 UTC
So I got a question, but I'm afraid it will turn into a debate.
So before anyone takes part, know that this is not intended to be a debate, so please refrain from arguing your political opinions on the matter in the thread. You can state your opinion if you like, but my opinion is set and nobody is going to change that, so it is not worth arguing.
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benguy (157 D)
20 Sep 12 UTC
My Apologies
I'm sorry, everyone, for ruining several live games by leaving/resigning. I realize it's not fair to the other players and I should only play when I have a lot of free time. Again, sorry everyone and I will not do this again. Hopefully you can accept my apology.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Sep 12 UTC
A Lol A Day
Because a joke a day keeps the doctor away, unless you're Gabriel Iglesias, in which case you're probably screwed.

I'll try to keep them non-offensive (just kidding) and clean (just kidding). Generally they won't have anything racist, sexist, or plain dirty about them (just kidding).
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
20 Sep 12 UTC
EoG: The World After SG
"Hello, I'm Germany, and I'm here to help Italy win." Fucking blind idiot.
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dubmdell (556 D)
20 Sep 12 UTC
MODS: please check your in-game messages
I don't normally do this, but there's some time sensitive questions that need answers.
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CapnPlatypus (100 D)
20 Sep 12 UTC
WTA GB-48 EoG
Congrats to The Czech. I figured it was over for a while, but when all doubt was removed in '09, I figured I might as well just surrender, since it was WTA. Excellent play slowing me down while you expanded - a couple of those clutch supports missed, and I might have given you a lot more trouble.

Good game all!
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MichiganMan (5126 D)
20 Sep 12 UTC
JOIN EoG
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=99943#gamePanel

No draw from Achilles off of SplitDipshit's CD? WTF?!?
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EmperorMaximus (551 D)
14 Sep 12 UTC
Public Press Game
Hi all, its EM, back after a busy summer, join my game :)
gameID=99521
It's public press because that concept fascinates me, 3 day phases because I'm busy, and WTA because WTA.
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
19 Sep 12 UTC
EoG: Live WTA-GB-62
SplitDiplomat CDed!!! The end is nigh.
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King Atom (100 D)
18 Sep 12 UTC
Imagine...
Can you imagine, on some distant day, that Draug might have more than 100 D?
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
19 Sep 12 UTC
Kick Zmaj's Butt: Full Press
why you should always check a game where you a solo threat and put draw up so you are not a threat...
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
19 Sep 12 UTC
EoG: LIVE -2
Phew... That was close.
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