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DominicHJ (100 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
WTA
What is it, anyways? Or WTB? Or any other abbreviation I should know about...?
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
02 Dec 09 UTC
WTB live game
someone make one!
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Red Squirrel (856 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
High Stakes Live Game
50 D buy-in - Hopefully this attracts skilled players and keeps them from CDing
PPSC - Hopefully this encourages people not to quit if they cant win like in WTA. Also I think it makes the draw more fair than splitting it equally among the remaining players.
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Three new games. Three times as Italy.
This is fucked up. Is this a BUG???
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denis (864 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Need cheering up...
I just went on a losing streak of 3 live games in 2 days and this makes me feel horrible plus I might not make the golf team at my school and I've been oblivious to math all year and the rest of the day has got me down usually I can come here to cheer up but with this losing streak it hasn't been helping.
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thedayofdays (95 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
E-mail updates.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that email updates would be helpful to the quality of a game, in regards to making the game run more smoothly?
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Helljumper (277 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Live Game in 45 mins
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Wolf89 (215 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
[off-diplomacy] which sql i should learn?
I have a basic knowledge of sql, and i'd like to learn it more deeply. I think i have to choose a variant of sql (like mysql or such). Which one do you suggest me? Thanks
Mauldinado (392 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
MySQL :) then log into poorly constructed websites with your SQL injections, dropping tables left and right like it's going out of style
Wolf89 (215 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
I know that the variants are more or less the same.. I'd like to know which one you would choose to work with if you have the chance and, if different, the most used one in the IT world. Thanks again.
Wolf89 (215 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Thanks mauldinado :-) but seriously, which one should i use? I answer slowly since i am on my mobile.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
02 Dec 09 UTC
@Wolf89 - Sql is a standard language (adopted by ISO and ANSI) for acessing relational databases. So any relational database (MySQL, Oralcle, MS SqlServer, Porstgre, etc) accepts SQL comands, but they also have some extra commands (not on SQL ANSI) to help in some difficult or common tasks, like genenerating identifies, some different type of indexes, etc.
So, if you got a good knowledge of plains SQL you can use/work with any relational database without much problem.
If you want to use a specific database, I will recomend MySQL because it´s free and widely used on Internet sites. Of the comercial ones, I still think Oracle is the best one (and the more expensive too).
Staubfuss (308 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Start with ANSI SQL, then get Job as Database Admin and see what your employer uses in House. Widly used Databses in the Enterpise field are MSSQL and Oracle. You can get Oracle for testing puposes for free from their Website
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
02 Dec 09 UTC
To be honest it's more or less the standardized, once you know one SQL it's easy enough to apply it to any other, so pick whatever database system that'll be the most useful/convenient for whatever you want to do
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
02 Dec 09 UTC
Oh also you can get MS SQL for free too (SQL Server Express Edition), please don't use Oracle if you have a choice, they are an absolutely horrible company
gjdip (1060 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
The most important thing is to understand that database programming is not procedural programming. Too many times have I seen SQLcode that is written like C with too many functions in all the wrong places. Set theory is something you must understand, as well as the true cost of logical I/Os, access paths, join methods and proper indexing. Too many people will write crappy code and think that the magical self-tuning, self-administrating RDBMS will take care of everything for them.

Like Kestas, rdrivera2005 and Mauldinado have pointed out, the flavour doesn't really matter; it's getting the basic thinking right.

If you're tree-hugging free spirit who doesn't like capitalists then you should use MySQL as your sandbox. If you're mostly concerned with easy integration with Windows then MSSQL is your tool. If you can live with the vendor being horrible (Kestas, can you please explain?) in return for getting the most advanced RDBMS you should choose Oracle to practice with.

But, it's the basic thinking about how databases work and how important database design is that matters the most.
You can learn ANSI, but it is (in my view) too restrictive, which is why both the MS and Oracle versions have lots of extensions. You can start with ANSI, but a lot of advanced techniques are better implemented using extensions than with core ANSI code, so you'll have to learn a "flavor" of SQL at some point, although as noted the different flavors are generally very similar.

gjdip is correct on SQL being fundamentally different from procedural programming (and object-oriented, of course.) You need to build an intuitive understanding of set theory and how SQL statements work, otherwise your code will be inefficient and buggy.

And whatever you do, don't start with Access, as its SQL implementation is highly irregular. MySQL is a good place to start, as it's on a variety of platforms and is free, but a lot of medium-sized enterprises use MSSQL, and most very large enterprises use Oracle, so keep that in mind.
fortknox (2059 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Do -not- specialize, as it'll pigeon hole you. I can't tell you how many clients I go to that have DBA's that are Oracle specialists trying to do things in DB2 and failing because instead of using standard commands, they try to do oracle short-cuts.

Learn SQL... learn the variety of joins (inners, outers, lefts, rights... when to use when), learn how transactions work, and if you want to go full bore: learn how to make/use stored procedures.
gjdip (1060 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
There are free versions of Oracle and MSSQL, too.
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
02 Dec 09 UTC
>If you can live with the vendor being horrible (Kestas, can you please explain?)
A large part of my Oracle hatred is from my dad, who makes his living as a DBA, working for Ashton Tate, and always hated the way Oracle changed for support while Microsoft charged for the software. It seems like a conflict of interest thing.
My uncle worked for Oracle, and also hated it. Ellison, as I'm sure you're all aware, is king of the douchebags. As for myself I've dived more into open-source databases, particularly MySQL and InnoDB, and at first Oracle bought (and have effectively killed) InnoDB, and now unless the EU pulls off some miracle they'll get MySQL too, leaving the whole thriving open-source database system market in tatters (essentially we'll have to move to Postgresql, but I'm really not sure how that's going to go).
Whereas Oracle have recently only been throwing their huge support-generated money around crushing the smaller companies (including BDB), Microsoft have focused on their own products.

Microsoft are definitely no angels when it comes to bullying small software companies into submission, but in the database arena Oracle *really* takes the cake. Knowing that the database system this software runs on is partly (and soon most likely completely) Oracle software to be stifled makes my future database choices factor in very carefully a move to alternative database systems
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
02 Dec 09 UTC
*previously working for Ashton-tate, a big DB fanatic, now a successful MS SQL Server and Access consultant (and he would argue that the MS Jet Access backend database has come a long way, and although I don't have the expertise to get into that argument I will say I think a lot of MS Access hatred comes from terrible use of MS Access by end-users, which professional DBAs then have to clean up. I was employed briefly designing an Access system and the horror stories I was expecting never came though for me)
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
02 Dec 09 UTC
And in case I sound like a pro-MS fanboy, I have actually used SQLite and PostgreSQL far more than any MS database system. My only experience with Oracle was when we had to learn it during a university course, and I didn't enjoy it at all, by far the worst DBMS experience I have yet come across, and I think the reason for this is largely so that they can get support people in to take care of problems and charge companies huge amounts to keep their systems going. That's my impression, and I expect I am biased as hell, but feel free to refute me and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from it
fortknox (2059 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
DB2 isn't terrible. mySql is owned by redhat/jboss, I thought? PostGRES is, by far, the most mature of the open source DB offerings.

If you want a tiny in memory DB or a DB to develop locally on, though, there are lots of options.
Draugnar (0 DX)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Transact SQL (Micro$oft SQL Server) is the plavor I use most, but I'm a .Net developer primarily working in ASP.Net on an IIS server, so all Micro$oft products.
gjdip (1060 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Kestas, this is the way big companies do business, isn't it? There was a company named Netscape who are now feeling a bit sorry for themselves because Microsoft could afford to give IE away.

I am not terribly familiar with all the legalese surrounding Oracle's pending ownership of MySQL but isn't MySQL open source? Couldn't anyone develop their own version?

If it is not open source and is a product owned by Sun then Sun owners are profiting from their investments.

There will always be a market for free stuff but is the incentive there for someone to develop and produce it?
Draugnar (0 DX)
02 Dec 09 UTC
For local and free, if you are running M$ Windows in some flavor, SQL Server Express is a free download that is for personal DB work and development. It won't fo replication and only allows one connection at a time, so it isn't for production even on a web server, but for developing an application, it is great as you can be completely disconnected from the world and still work on your project.


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Helljumper (277 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Live Gunboat Game!
gameID=16176 - Starts in 15 mins! Need 2 more!
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BoG75 (6816 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Economic Hit Men - John Perkins
Anybody read this book and your thoughts about it? Currently reading his second book on this subject The Secret History of the American Empire.
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BoG75 (6816 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Live Gun game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16170

Want to play for fun to practice your strategy rather than diplomatic skills feel free to join.
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Geofram (130 D(B))
02 Dec 09 UTC
Late Night Live
Any interest?
Still early in some parts of the world.
I notice that ava is online!
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
01 Dec 09 UTC
Western Triple
Has anyone done a successful Western triple that lasted for the whole game? We had one in a recent League game
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The_Master_Warrior (10 D)
28 Nov 09 UTC
Best Movie Lines
Share your favorite movie lines. Please include the movie, the character that said the line(s), and, if possible, the circumstances of the line(s)

Let's have some fun in the Forum for a change =D
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
LIVE GAME!
It's called Kirk+Spock+Bones+Scotty+Uhura+Sulu+Chekov
Guess the theme ;)

So it's a live game, 5 min phases... RED ALERT! JOIN!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
01 Dec 09 UTC
I've Got A Little List, I've Got a Little List!
Of society ofenders...

It's one of my favorites opera songs... and the perfect forum for social commentary! So let me know what you think of my choices... and make your own! (And Happy Birthday, GM.) :)
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DJEcc24 (246 D)
01 Dec 09 UTC
the future of diplomacy
we all know the layers who play well and are respected and in the masters. but who is next? jsut curious (no its not me)
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denis (864 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Live Game!!
Another Pink Floyd Reference by denis? Noooooooooo!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16160
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denis (864 D)
01 Dec 09 UTC
My pointless project turned into this...
Education Debate! Ya!!
see below
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denis (864 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Live Game!!
who's up for another?
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December?
Why is the last month in this game recorded as December?
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Live game, 5 minutes, no pussies
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16151

We have 5 already!
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Cyrano (354 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Live game for newbs!
The game ID is http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16156, and it's open for anyone who's interested in playing a live game!
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doofman (201 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
Live game, it is late in UK so only 20min join time
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16159
come have a game, anon players and 10p entry
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Geofram (130 D(B))
01 Dec 09 UTC
New Live Gunboat
gameID=16153

Join it!
And don't go CD just because you aren't guaranteed a solo in year two.
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doofman (201 D)
02 Dec 09 UTC
live game, carn- you know you want to, 3 more
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16157
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Helljumper (277 D)
01 Dec 09 UTC
What exactly is gunboat?
I'm still kinda new here, anyone mind telling me what gunboat is?
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denis (864 D)
29 Nov 09 UTC
Pink Floyd is Fucking Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment, stories, favorites, and anything else Pink Floyd
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denis (864 D)
30 Nov 09 UTC
That took a while! phew!
I won my first game finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MercuryEnigma (517 D)
01 Dec 09 UTC
Traditional Diplomacy
gameID=16152
Nothing fancy. Classic Diplomacy the way it should be played.
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