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idealist (680 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
facebook version
There is a facebook version of phpdiplomacy (I played before).
are the two linked? or are they two separate sites?
can we link them? (increase more active players)
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Pantalone (2151 D(S))
17 Jun 09 UTC
Unpause Please (Game I.D. = 103108
Could a Mod please unpause this Game as the original player requesting the pause has unpaused again but two remaining players (one has gone CD elsewhere) have failed to unpause as yet, despite repeated friendly reminders to do so. Thanks a lot!
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T3h p0wn3r (100 D)
16 Jun 09 UTC
Record Thread
This thread is designed to have a record number of posts on it.
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wiggin (1416 D)
18 Jun 09 UTC
CD Germany and Italy in 48hr 1901
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11615
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Baseball and Steroids: Who's Used?
So Sosa is the latest now in a long line of officially busted players.

Who else do you think (If you're going to name someone, please cite evidence; I'll start by defending my guy, Mr. Piazza, below......)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
So Piazza's always had a bit of a question about him, to be sure; any great slugger in the Steroid Era would and does.

Jeff Pearlman's book "The Rocket That Fell To Earth" covering Roger Clemens accuses Piazza citing:

-his famous back acne, often a sign of steroid use
-a player named Reggie Jefferson claiming it was "obvious"
-Piazza's allegedly telling reporters he used
-Piazza's big numbers

All fair points to raise- and all can be explained:

-Everyone's got a physical feature they're not proud of- mny times it is omething you cannot help. There are many kinds of skin issues that would explain the acne besides steroid use; in fact, playing out in the hot sun for a profession would have AGRRAVATED any skin condition Piazza may ot have had. Why not come foward and say this, you may ask? Think- Piazza's an athelete, and atheletes make their living in two ways- playing their sport and endorsements. Who is going to endorse a fellow with a bad skin condition in our shallow culture; and Piazza played in LA and NY for most his career- media hotbeds. It'd be more than understandable if Piazza didn't want to set the media hounds on him.

-I researched Reggie Jefferson: he's a journeyman player with a weak average an a forgettable career; I've said before that atheletes survive through play and endorsements- I think it is a safe theory Jefferson may have just wanted some attention, and posibly the cash that often comes with it, and as he couldn't get it through posting big numbers..........

-Pearlman's book allges Piazza admitted casually to reporters off the record he used. Mike Piazza is, easily, one of the must beloved players of the steroid era with many fans (including this one) attracted not only to his performance, but to the way he handled himself. Piazza was always a class act on the field. Always polite, often smiling even when on terrible teams (ah, my poor Mets.....) and never letting his temper get the best of him a la roid rage- case in point, Piazza, stunning and even disgusting some of his teammates, refused to fight Clemens after Clemens through the bat at him in the 2000 Subway Series. He yelled a bit, undrstandably (who WOULDN'T after a bat was just thrown at them) but didn't let his temper get the best of him. He was Mr. Nice, and NY loved him, ans still does. Piazza never had the surly disposition of Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, or Sosa in his later career- al steroid users (Bonds isn't "officially" caught yet, but come on- is there a man who actually believes "flaxseed oil" allowed him to hit 73 HRs in a season and break Hank Aaron's HR record?) So my point? The media hates those players to averying degrees, adn has sought to destroy them by digging up their little secrets. Piazza played in a time where the resswas the enemy of the player, not the friend; the days of Mickey Mantle's drinking being covered up by the press to preserve a player's image is gon, and Piazza knew it. He did not want the reporters to ruin his life and make him miserable; bieng their pal and telling one or two off the record made him a friend, someone the press wouldn't hound. A smart strategy to keep a sane life in an insane timeto play- who wouldn't do the same?

But couldn't he have done this to actually cover up steroid use? My fourth piece f evidence, the biggest defender of all....

-Piazza's numbers, both on the field and on his hat size, never spikedduring his career. Is it odd a 62nd round player would go on to be the greatest hitting cacher ever? Yes- but don't we love those stories in baseball? Babe Ruth was dscovered in a wayward school for boys, Mantle in an impoverished mining family in Okalahoma. And it is well-documented that Piazza spent HOURS as a kid every day in a batting cage.

But more than that- look at the stats of Piazza, and then look at some of the known steroid users. Bonds? Went form 30-40 homer guy to 60-70 in his LATE THIRTIES. Sosa? Went from never hitting 20 to suddenly, after putting on 25 lbs., to becoming a 40 HR guy, and then a 60 HR guy. McGwire? A skinny 20 HR guy, 40 HRs when Canseco gave him steroids in the 80's, and finally 70 in 1998 as a 38 or so year old.

Piazza?

Came in Hitting 30 or so HRs, and always hit 20-40 for more than a decade. No big spikes from say 20 to 40, even- it goes up, gradually, if you check the stats, and (here's the kicker) DOWN AS HE GOT OLDER.

Just to say it again:

Piazza declined like ALL PLAYERS DO.

Ruth declined that ay, Mantle, Mays- all the greats followed the same stat rise and decline as Piazza.

And Piazza came into the minors a big guy, came into the majors a big guy- and NEVER increased in size a la Bonds and Sosa suddenly adding 25 lbs. and having their heads grow 2 hat sizes.


That's my case. I believe Piazza is innocent of steroid use. Do I think my hero was perfect? No. He may have used something other than steroids; Mantle and others in the 60's and 70's on used amphetamines to stay fresh- and these were legal until 4 or so years ago.

If Piazza used something like that, I wouldn't be surprised- but as generatios of HOF players like Mantle used them, wouldn't consider it cheating- not exactly good or something to brag about, but not like using a cow hormones or whatever to increase numbers artificially.

So who do I name as users (obvious ones like Bonds excluded here):

-Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez: He became rather pudgy rather suddenly, and his numbers went from 17 HRs to 35-40 suddenly as well. Fits the profile, and Caneco, the steroid sultan, named him.

And I'm tired now- more in the morning. :)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
No one here likes baseball?
Invictus (240 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
I do, but what's left to say?
Troodonte (3379 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Who cares about baseball?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
That hurts, troodonte.
Troodonte (3379 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
It wasn't meant to be harsh ;)

I just don't like it!
And you must admit it: it is not a "global" sport.
I'm American and I concur. No one likes baseball.
pootercannon (326 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
I'm American and I disconcur. I love baseball. Playing or watching, it's my favorite team summertime sport.
disconcur? I think you're faking being an American.
pootercannon (326 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Nope. Being American includes making stuff up and then expecting everyone to follow along.
pootercannon (326 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
But really, I'm a Minnesota Twins fan. Steroids aren't really a factor around here.
I was an avid Phillies fan up until the strike in 1993? Haven't watched a game since. It was hard not to live around here last year without getting at least a little interested in baseball. I follow the Phillies in the news, watching the highlights on the 10 o'clock news, but I would never consider watching a game. Too darn boring.
Shrimpy (100 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Wow, I read half of that and now I want some pizza.
BoG75 (6816 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Who cares its not like its a real sport.
"But really, I'm a Minnesota Twins fan. Steroids aren't really a factor around here"
Is that why they're not winning anymore? I hate baseball because it's plagued by steroid users and it would be boring if they didn't use steroids so either way, baseball sucks.
Invictus (240 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
I'll admit that watching baseball can be pretty boring. Like most sports, the enjoyment from watching baseball largely comes from sort of imagining yourself out there in place of the players. If you've never played baseball competitively that's hard to do. I suppose that's why I think soccer is excruciatingly boring and can hardly watch a full period of hockey, but I can sit through 9 innings of baseball where there's a good chance hardly anything really exciting will happen.
I have played competitive baseball and find it immensely boring.
I have never played competitive hockey, but enjoy watching it at any competitive level.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Baseball's sort of hard to define....... it IS long, and that's both part of the greatness of it (no clock, it can go on forever, and who doesn't think a long summer day with hot dogs, Coke, shades, some friends, and seats to a game sounds even the least bit good) and the bad (162 games- a long season, and I love it, but I can see where some could get lost...... if you don't like the whole season, just start watchingin September, when teams are in the last month before the playoffs- every game matters more, and then the playoffs, and then the World Series, a true institution.)

I'm a die-hard Mets fan livng in the LA area (I HATE it, can't wait to move to NY or Boston!) and my friends are all drama folks, and don't care for sports.

Except baseball.

It brings people and generations together.

My best friend is not at all a sports person, but she has inherited a deep love of the Sox from her mother. The rest of them all ollow it causally, liking the Mets ad Sox becaue of me and my friend and HATING the Yankees, the anti-diversity team (and we are a VERY divers group- Mormons, I'm Jewish, Methodists, agnostics, a mother's a Wiccan, other Christians, and racially everything from Cuban to Hatian to Russia and English and Italian and French and so on.) My teacher grew up in NYC, and laughs at me rooting for the Mets, as she remembers her father rooting for them just as fiercely as I do, and remembers the confetti celebration and school being cancelled when the Amazin' Mets stunned the world by going from worst to first to win the Series in 1969. I know a friend- we LOVE to bicker, and what better topic than her Dodgers vs. my Mets? My grandparens loved the Yankees, and passed it onto their children, and so when I go over to see them, between my New York Mets and their New York Yankees there's three generations of teams and time to bridge the generation gap.

Baseball is a beautiful sport.

And this thread is supposed to be talking which players are keeping the game beautiful and clean and which are cheating steroiders. ;)
Draugnar (0 DX)
18 Jun 09 UTC
Go REDS! Raised in Cincy from 2 to my present 43, I'm a diehard Reds fan, even when they don't do so well. I was a preteen and ten during the reign of the Big Red Machine and Johnny Bench, Pete Rose, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, Dave Concepcion, George Foster, Ken Griffey, and Cesar Geronimo under Sparky Andersons management were simply one of the best teams in the history of baseball. One of only three National League teams to ever win back to back World Series (the others being the Cubs in 1907 & 1908 and the Giants in 1921 & 1922). The Reds are, of course, the oldest team in baseball; they were the first franchise to put up lights in 1971; and they are the only team to have an undefeated post season... 7-0 in 1976 (pre wildcards).

And, if there record recently is any indication, they are doing OK but would be doing better if they were on steroids. :-)


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Submariner (111 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
North Korea has just qualified for the 2010 World Cup
What are the odds that they will beat the USA in the gruop stage to progress to meet South Korea in the 2nd Round?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8106203.stm
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
17 Jun 09 UTC
Pathetic
I had a player who just...
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amonkeyperson (100 D)
18 Jun 09 UTC
5 SC France up for grabs
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11290
Banned for multiaccounting so no turns were lost.
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mellvins059 (199 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Futball Floppers and Anger Issues!!!
These are just to get things going;

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wanderr (100 D)
18 Jun 09 UTC
Waiting game needs 1 more to start
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11637
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jasoncollins (186 D)
18 Jun 09 UTC
French CD up for grabs :)
Not the strongest of positions, but if you are good at negotiating with Germany..

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11319
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hellalt (40 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
someone give me england pls
29 games here 5 at facebook. I have never played as england. pls if you want to go cd and you play as england let me know at this forum. I would even pay to get it!
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yellowpajamasson (1019 D)
16 Jun 09 UTC
Is this site like the US economy?
I have heard that in the US, the top 5% wealthiest people control 95% of the country's wealth.
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Player is "waiting on e-mail"
What does it mean when a player has an uninvolved ally?
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Chrispminis (916 D)
15 Jun 09 UTC
The Moral Instinct
Article by Steven Pinker, professor of Psychology at Harvard, in the NY Times, January 2008.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Psychology-t.html
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_Ender_ (100 D)
14 Jun 09 UTC
Where did you get your name?
Please read inside :)

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chtalleyrand (345 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Italy in CD up for grabs.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11162
Italy in a pretty good position, has 6 supply centers.
24 h phase, PPSC.
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Message box lack of proper word wrap
Is it just me or does the text box not start the new line soon enough and end up in 3-6 words you can't see until posted. People like myself, who like to spell/type properly, must be annoyed as well. Unless it is only on my side, if so what can I do to fix it?
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bobboy190 (100 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
The Chaos Italy Variant.
So I looked this up on the Avalon Hill Website, and I was wonduring if anybody has ever used this?
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mugence (417 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Please unpause Isaacson sucks
Mods, please unpause this game:
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11296
Everyone has unpaused except for one guy who hasnt been on for a week. Please do something about this.
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chese79 (568 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Unpause please - 10596
It seems Russia and England are not going to unpause and will likely CD, as polite requests have been ignored. Can this be unpaused so the rest of us can proceed with the game?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10596
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soccerblocker (159 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Join A New Low Stakes Game!
Young Napoleons 2
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11628
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Southern Pride (414 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Help please, Mods! Game The Skirmish
Help. I'm england. my fleet in mao retreatd to portgal but now in autumn it is not there. i dont understand. what happened?
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Submariner (111 D)
16 Jun 09 UTC
Summer Reading Reccomendations
I get the impression your average dip lpayer will be pretty well read. What great boks have youi read in the last year that you'd reccomend others to pack in their suitcase this summer?
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mwalton (2561 D)
15 Jun 09 UTC
Please force unpause
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11518

This game was paused because of ban, and we have a country that appears to be CD who will not unpause. The game is a 10-hour game, and it has been much more than that since the game was paused.
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Geofram (130 D(B))
15 Jun 09 UTC
Unpause Please.
Please unpause this game for us, details inside:
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Glorious93 (901 D)
17 Jun 09 UTC
Join!
Join "Glorious 93," named after myself (because I'm not vain at all...)
20 hour phases, 50 point buy in.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
16 Jun 09 UTC
I write. I write all sorts of stuff. I even write books...
...and have a couple of projects going which are fictional.

So, how would you feel if you found that one of my characters resembled you?
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Submariner (111 D)
16 Jun 09 UTC
"Democracy is not in the voting, it is in the counting"
Whty didn't Americans demonstrate in 2000 lwhen their election result wasn't counted properly?

Are Iranians a democratic example to the citizens of America?
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milestailsprower (614 D(B))
17 Jun 09 UTC
you guys will just hate this idea...
What if I was able to look on the forums everyday and try to cool down arguments whenever they pop up? Like really I just have a whole lot of time to do stuff.
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