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jpchewy01 (100 D)
24 Sep 08 UTC
real strategists wanted
please join my game, real strategists wanted, take all the time you wa
it was cut off after that
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
23 Sep 08 UTC
New Winner Take All game for newbies - 40 point bet
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5807

Game titled Dangle My Cherry
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MickFlanagen (100 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
looking for a player
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5811
Points-per-supply-center
24 hours/phase: Normal pace
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Zarathustra (3672 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
Question on Winnings for Points Per Supply Center
There is a point of contention between another player and I that I am seeking to resolve. He says that when winning a PPSC game (18+ SC) you only get the 18 SC amount of points. I claim that you get the proportion of points equal to the number of centers claimed. Who is right?
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hermanobrown (925 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
No turn on weekend
I create a game to play just only during the week. I suggest that everybody finallize theirs orders quicly during the week and let weekend for rest
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david707 (100 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
Join "The war of the everest"
5 points to join (mainly for new players)
36 hour turns
points per supply centre
have fun!
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Masterker (100 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
New game
Have set up a game called war of the everest please join will start in 36 hours from when this is sent out.
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
23 Sep 08 UTC
EOG: New Game Three Way draw G17 F7 T10
I took this game over in the Winter of 1901 when Germany had not moved for two complete seasons. The French had an army in Belgium the English a fleet in Holland,
Russia had 7 with Norway,Sweden, Rumania and had built a fleet in the north coast,
Italy had screwed up his orders and had not gotten any builds while Austria and Turkey were intermingled diplomatically and about to make a change in direction.
My goal in the game was to see if I could make something of this wild situation and at the same time learn something about the site.
In 02 I was able to talk the English out of Holland as he started on his game long war with England with his buddy in Italy continuing in the Jihad. Then Russia and Turkey made amends and turned on Austria.
At this point I was trying to decide which way to go when I received a letter from the Russians telling me 'I want to move my tanks to Prussia and Silesia to get them into action." This blew my mind and decided for me that I would have to stay with France and concentrate on the Russians. I wrote to the Russians that this would mean war. That move I went to Sweden and Silesia as a precaution and Russia went to Prussia 'as a mistake'. My orders worked. From there it was a tactical battle and race against time against the Russians with them losing in the north and in the center.
Then with the Russians down to 5 and Germany at 10 or so he dropped. How rude.
The next 3 centers were rather easy and I was able to get an army in Armenia to really shake up the Turks. The Turks previous position was that either he or I were going to die in the game, and as I was allied with the French who was having a hard time with the Italians and the English, I had a choice of going for a very easy win that was not worth it or trying to make a point on how to end games in a somewhat social manner.
So I convinced the Turks to take a three draw with France and I. Then the weirdness happened. England agreed to be out of the draw. Then the weirdness happened when Italy with two units *Portugal and Venice, declared that he was against the draw because he wanted "my one point". Anti social behavior could not be rewarded, so the game was delayed a game year and I had to eliminate both England and ITaly so that there were only three of us.
One of the things this points out is the unfortunate situation in which under these house rules it appears that you cannot have a draw that does not include all survivors.
This translates out as a Kill Policy for most small countries since you cannot end a game without their vote. This may have been the intention in the original rules but those rules were written with a face to face game and social limits in mind, not the endless play that postal or email allows. So unfortunately England had to die along with Italy who was being just a kid looking at the scoring system herein.
Along the way in the game, Austria got knocked down to one center and I was content to leave him in the game at that (before the Kill nature of the ending a game became apparent) but then he dropped and was replaced by another player for reasons unknown and wound up dead in a squeeze play between Turkey and Germany.

How's that for an end of game statement?
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
It's a nice end of game statement, and congratulations for turning an otherwise dismal CD into a stunning finish. Could make a screenplay for the next big underdog movie! =D

In the future though... perhaps putting the bulk of the end of game statement in the second post? Long OP's clutter the forum. XD
Caviare (123 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
Edi, in house rules where draws don't have to include all survivors, how does that work? Are you advocating intervention of a gamesmaster to draw the game without the consent of the excluded survivors? Must the excluded survivors resign?
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
23 Sep 08 UTC
In FtF tournaments nearly all are SECRET ballots in the first place and with the exception of 2 tournaments that I know of (out of about 30 or 50) the rules require unanimous votes.

A player for the most part can vote him self out of the draw by simply voting for a draw that does not include him. Most common situation is similar to what we had above G 14-T10-F 6 E 2 I 2 where the two small powers would vote themselves out rather than drag the game out in the face of a three way alliance to determine the end of the game.

In postal play it worked the same way with the GM counting the ballots.
As for the Judges (last century's method of email) I am not sure but I think there is a GM that comes in.
In one web based system that I know of there is a voting section that allows for 2-3-4 way draws but I believe it has to be with all survivors.
However in another web system, there is a full voting mechanism that is automatic and allows people to vote themselves out of a draw and for it to be secret.

Here, where it seems everything rests on one persons head:> Kestas
I am sure that the idea of an auto vote system has got to have been suggested before, but alas it must wait for the ever precious program time.

However if there is to be a program project then I would like handled this way:
At game set up: Decide if
Draws Include All Survivors (DIAS)
Votes on Draws are public or secret
You may vote yourself out of a draw
Does the proposer automatically vote for it
Is there a minimum number of Centers needed
to force a draw
can you put in more than one draw vote per turn
Then in the order section there is a Draw proposal section and it includes
the various options to include various countries.
And to vote on the proposals presented.
Chrispminis (916 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
Well the real problem is that this site was a programming project of Kestas and he's deemed that it has taught him all it can... and we haven't been able to find an able php programmer willing to step in and write a patch.
sean (3490 D(B))
23 Sep 08 UTC
yes, over a few months i have noted a few programmers on this site. isnt wonderlama php literate? we must have 3 or 4 ....but im not sure if they are all active still
Caviare (123 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
I think that the reason this site is so successful, is that it is so accessible. Every other diplomacy site forces the beginner to deal with issues they just aren't interested in yet. If anyone ever implements all of Edi's options, there must be well chosen defaults for each of them, and they must be hidden away where only those who are interested can find them.
It would be a great first step to just choose and implement the default options.
MajorTom (4417 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
The idea of automated draws has been thrown around multiple times. I agree with Caviare however on the default user-friendly settings with the choice to apply advanced options; its so much more appealing to newcomers. But as a general rule, I'd say the more options the better (especially when it brings the game even closer to the FtF play).

Nice EOG statement by the way. I can't wait to discuss both of my games once they are finished, though that may be a while... (good ol' No Press 23!)
Ursa (1617 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
Nice EOG-statement indeed. I am wondering though, why not play WTA where you just have to get 18 SCs? PPSC is too much about the points, with draws splitting the points equally. The less playes, the more points so the little ones get killed.
Abydos1 (100 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
Looks like that was an interesting game. I think EOG statements are a good idea however this forum doesn't seem well suited to housing them since posts quickly disappear once people stop commenting in them. Also, it's probably a good idea to provide a link to the game (http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5276).

As for the draw procedure an automated procedure is certainly needed since Kestas has to manually draw each one currently. I'd suggest moving the draw procedure conversation to a different thread to clean this one up a bit.
Darwyn (1601 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
I love the EOG statements! I've only written one in what I thought was an important game for me in the GFDT final game (Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament...which, by the way, should be getting rolling for 2008-09 soon, eh?)

Being able to read what everyone was thinking and doing after the game provides some good insight. It's a great tool to learn from. I think they should be encouraged...but there'd need to be a formal place for them for everyone in the game to take part.


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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
17 Sep 08 UTC
Iraq: A legal war. Discuss
Under the terms of the ceasefire at the end of the first Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was given 12 months to prove that it had disarmed itself of WMD.

12 years later it had not and therefore the recommencement of the ground assault was perfectly valid as Iraq was in breach of the UN brokered ceasefire resolution.

Thoughts?
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ninja_trout (119 D)
23 Sep 08 UTC
New Game, get it while its hot!
New game called Lets get it on! Bet is only 25 and 20 hour/phase. All welcome!!!
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Sicarius (673 D)
18 Sep 08 UTC
Capitalism
being very anti-capitalist, I can't see why anyone could think thats it's a good system. why do you think it is
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Pareno (108 D)
22 Sep 08 UTC
TOTAL GLOBAL SOCIO-ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
Whoa.

Yup, that’s what the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States of America said we were ONE day away from on Friday, 19SEP08.

<B><I>That would be a bad thing, M-kay?</I></B>

Comments? Causes?

IMHO, the main cause is the $10 trillion national debt of the United States of America. What do you think?
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
22 Sep 08 UTC
DRAW REQUEST game A3 Germany-France-Turkey
The game is requested to be a draw G 17/F7/T 10
Please await the posting by the other two and then do what ever it is that is needed.
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
22 Sep 08 UTC
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
jugglingbeast,

YOU'RE THE 8521st AND NEWEST PERSON TO BECOME A MEMBER ON PHPDIPLOMACY.NET

YOU WIN GAMES FULL OF LYING, BACKSTABBING, AND SELF-CENTERED EGOTISTICAL LOONIES WHO WANT TO USE YOU TO FURTHER THEIR DIPLOMACY CAREER.
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Sicarius (673 D)
19 Sep 08 UTC
essay on agriculture and the leisure time of primitive culture
now that I think of it, I challenge someone to find evidence that 'primitives' DONT have more leisure time than us. It's a pretty widly accepted fact, so where your proof?

anyway this essay is for um... doc or something
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Spell of Wheels (4896 D)
22 Sep 08 UTC
Rules Question Re: Movement
SETUP: 2 armies of a nations surround an empty SC (or any empty space) and one of those 2 armies is adjacent to an army of a different nation who can also enter the empty territory , such as Russia has armies in GAL and BOH-- Austria has an army in BUD. VIE is open.
The assumption is that BUD will move to VIE. Can GAL attack BUD and move BOH to VIE unimpeded? Or is a support move required? The question is asked because a 3rd nation wants BUD to be attacked in the event that BUD does not go to VIE. Thanks in advance.
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Polar Bear (1038 D)
20 Sep 08 UTC
The leagues - what a disappointment
If anyone wants to join the leagues I will be dropping out of Group F after this game and you can take my place. The league is a pile of shite. Everyone is trying so hard to win, it's like the thing is some kind of e-peen. Like you're going to go and tell your wife or your friends at work that you won some virtual text based competition and they're gonna go "Gee Bobby, you finally did something with your life, way to go!"

Get a life guys, it's 5 points at stake.

We're only a few turns in and not a single person has kept their word or offered any kind of help. When I offer help it's treated as some kind of trick or trap. If I ask for information I am treated like Satan. Everyone is super paranoid. All of the above I can handle; what I won't tolerate though is people being RUDE.

Here's a typical interaction:

Me: "Hey would you like support into <territory>.....?"

Other Player: "Screw you if you think you're going to trick me into leaving you a opening. Your evil plan is obvious... do you think I am stupid? You can go to hell!"

Me: "If I attack <territory> and you attack <territory> then we both help each other. Can you confirm that you will do this?"

Other player: "Just you do you think you are to make such demands! You have no right! Do you think I am stupid? I don't have to do ANYTHING you say. Go to hell!"

I come onto the internet for fun and I play Diplomacy for the social contact. Yes it's also about winning and losing but the league seems to have extinguished anything pleasant or social about the game.

I don't really have the personal time to devote to the Diplomacy anyway, but when I come to the PC and find a inbox full of hate, it makes me question my priorities.

So, if you want to spend your virtual online time with a bunch of arrogant, over-competitive, paranoid, hateful, duplicitous scumbags, join the leagues.

Or maybe it's just my league and the others are different.
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Please draw this game
please draw this:
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5416

france will comply
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texasdeluxe (516 D(B))
22 Sep 08 UTC
Anyone want to take over Germany before we start
Pre game still and Germany is CD! http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5760
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Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
21 Sep 08 UTC
DRAW REQUEST for "PRAGUE"
Hello Kestas,

please, can you draw the game http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5083.

The other players will confim shortly.
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sean (3490 D(B))
21 Sep 08 UTC
League Links
Ok, so thats bad news about the PB vs maple leaf squabble but apart from that we are all happy right? i know its bad form to display private chats and all but i would like a easy link to see how we are all going in our leagues.
here is group A
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5660
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Sicarius (673 D)
22 Sep 08 UTC
speed game
anyone interested in starting a speed game, now
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DukeAtreides (100 D)
20 Sep 08 UTC
Opening chat records post-game
Is there a particular reason that after a game has ended the chat records aren't opened to the general public? I think it would give an interesting context to the map.
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CirclMastr (227 D)
21 Sep 08 UTC
Draw Request for LUELinks II
Please draw this game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5328

The other players will confirm, and I am England confirming for myself. Thanks.
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MarekP (12864 D)
21 Sep 08 UTC
Draw Request - "Blindfold"
Kestas, please, draw the game ID=5123 (Blindfold) as soon as all other players (England and Turkey) express their agreement. Thank you!
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Sicarius (673 D)
21 Sep 08 UTC
Denver/Boulder
does anyone here, live... well here I guess
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Ursa (1617 D)
21 Sep 08 UTC
I said, don't!!
I did not start this game but we're still looking for four players. If you're up for the challenge, please join 'Don't push the red button *push*' at http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5769

Bet = 25, not too high, not too low. Everyone welcome!
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Tucobenedicto (100 D)
17 Sep 08 UTC
College Process
Any seniors on phpDip? How's the process treating you guys?
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bc2000 (990 D)
21 Sep 08 UTC
Improvement?
Dear Kestas
I noticed you have paginated the Games tabs, but now I have a little issue while searching for something or someone there.

Before I used the Find tool of the browser, but that works only on the current page.

I know is a minimal topic, but I had no problem with the previous 1-page tabs and just was wondering if this change really is useful and what the majority of users prefers.

Thanks.
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ldrut (674 D)
20 Sep 08 UTC
No CDs Allowed - 101 Pts to join, 36 hours
So can I please have a game with fewer than 5 CD's and where everyone at least finishes 1901?
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