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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Feb 16 UTC
My first year of voting.
I am registering without a party affiliation, but if anyone knows of a party which matches all / most of the following:
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jpuhrer (369 D)
29 Feb 16 UTC
Waterways in Fall of the Amercian Empire IV
Playing this variant for the first time and wonder if it is possible in one move to move a fleet from Deep South to Chicago. If this were to work, moving out to Lake Michigan is not possible I assume. Thank you!
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SuperMario109 (100 D)
29 Feb 16 UTC
The Wars
i ahve made a new game called "The Wars", please join and have fun! :D
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sirdallas (1202 D)
28 Feb 16 UTC
2 MORE PLAYERS NEEDED! 1 hour left!
Not sure if this is allowed, but I'm posting a link to a public game we need 2 more players for!
American map!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=175238
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SuperMario109 (100 D)
29 Feb 16 UTC
Players needed! Diplomatic Beginnings Starting Soon!
Hello everyone, I am SuperMario109 and I am setting up a game called Diplomatic Beginnings soon, and it will start at 8:00pm EST. Please join and have fun! :D
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brainbomb (295 D)
28 Feb 16 UTC
Chris Christie endorses Taco Bell combo meal #4 for Presidency.
Chris Christie: *crunch* The ground beef just really sets it off plus taco aligns well with my stance on Dodd Frank and Gay marriage.
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Hyperion (983 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
Trolling in Diplomacy
So I'm not sure if this is a thing yet, but please, feel free to share those moments of completely getting trolled in this great game of Diplomacy.
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c0dyz (100 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
What happens if two players get to 18 in the same turn?
Does it 2 way draw? Or keep going?
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
27 Feb 16 UTC
Question I should probably just Quora/Wiki
But there's a long and storied tradition of asking the webDip forum instead

Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
27 Feb 16 UTC
Why is the President in charge of the armed forces and/or Commander-In-Chief (those are equivalent right?!)

I mean, the process to become president has nothing to do with armed forces, the prerequisites have nothing to do with armed forces, and I imagine most of the job/job-description has nothing to do with armed forces.

Now, I love President Obama and I love President Bartlett. And I don't think someone needs to have served in the military to be (a great) President at all. BUT....but I do understand, if not the concern, the cognitive dissonance: why are they Commander In Chief if, well, see above paragraph? Again, not that I don't think they should be President; heck, not even that I don't think they should be Commander In Chief necessarily, but simply the fact that they *are*, for what seems to be the reason that it's forcibly tied to other duties they're actually interested in / groomed for.

I assume the role of President was simply much much much more tightly related to that aspect when it was founded, but I'd love to be enlightened at the expense of the effort of others.
Amwidkle (5373 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
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Short answer: the Founders saw civilian control of the military as very important, so they put a democratically elected official (the president of the United States) in charge of the armed forces. Of course, it was expected that the president, if not a general himself (as George Washington was), would regularly seek the advice of professional military advisors. But basically, the President would have the final say over things like troop movements and grand strategy.

Slightly longer answer: plenty of evidence also suggests that the Founders also envisioned a very active role for Congress in war-making, especially declaring war, but subsequent history and practice hasn't exactly borne that out. Not counting the Revolutionary War, Congress has only officially declared war five times in U.S. history (the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Spanish-American War, WWI, and WWII). We've of course fought many, many more wars than that. One could argue that the congressional practice of passing AUMFs (Authorizations for the Use of Military Force) is the modern-day equivalent of declaring war.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
27 Feb 16 UTC
Shorter answer: the Constitution is outdated and has many stupid provisions. It works though. I can't complain.
Lethologica (203 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
The president's control over the military fits with the general separation of powers. Congress declares war (ha! in theory, anyway), and the president executes the war by directing the military.

Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper no. 74 basically says the choice is so obvious as to require no explanation:
"THE President of the United States is to be "commander-in-chief of the army and navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several States WHEN CALLED INTO THE ACTUAL SERVICE of the United States.'' The propriety of this provision is so evident in itself, and it is, at the same time, so consonant to the precedents of the State constitutions in general, that little need be said to explain or enforce it. Even those of them which have, in other respects, coupled the chief magistrate with a council, have for the most part concentrated the military authority in him alone. Of all the cares or concerns of government, the direction of war most peculiarly demands those qualities which distinguish the exercise of power by a single hand. The direction of war implies the direction of the common strength; and the power of directing and employing the common strength, forms a usual and essential part in the definition of the executive authority."

If anything, the more important characteristic of the military is that it's under civilian control to begin with, in contrast to many countries where the military is independently governed (which leads to *all sorts* of trouble).
ghug (5068 D(B))
27 Feb 16 UTC
bo, what's stupid about it? Having someone democratically elected in charge of the high level decisions is a pretty great idea.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
27 Feb 16 UTC
Having one single person democratically elected by a small portion of the world's population in charge of the entire military force of the strongest military on the planet with the largest nuclear capabilities on the planet is stupid.
KingCyrus (511 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
How else would you do it?

Anyway, civilian control of the military extends down to the SecDef, SecNav, etc. That got built up more around the War of 1812, as we transitioned to a non-militia military.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Feb 16 UTC
Well, it could reduce the number of conflicts contrasted with multiple smaller armed forces... Oh wait, unless you live in Afghanistan.


Or Iraq...


Or Libya...


Or Syria...

Hmm. At least the Ukraine is made safer by allying itself to the US... no? Damn.

Crimea river.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
27 Feb 16 UTC
If internationalizing our military and the rest of the world's major militaries isn't an option, I would say exactly how it's been largely done since WWII - pass it off to Congress.
KingCyrus (511 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
Internationalizing the military is not a valid option at this point in the game and likely won't be for years to come. However, I do agree that Congress should play a greater role in deciding when we get involved militarily. When it comes to battle plans or decisiveness though, one individual is needed, supported by a strong staff of knowledgeable experts. You can't fight a war in a committee.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Feb 16 UTC
The reason the military has a chain of command which always traces back to a single point is for operational security. In the event a squad is put under fire from an unknown force they need the ability to react quickly and the squad leader is given that authority. this example is just magnified up the ladder all the way to the president who holds the ability to respond with military force immediately following an attack. Consider for a moment if we allowed congress, who can not even agree on a budget to meet at a moments notice and vote within minutes whether we should use force. I think out current system is pretty good when you consider the draw backs to the alternatives. In our current system: President can deploy forces at will (of course these forces are funded by congressional budgets), then congress has 90 days to authorize the further use of military force, the authorization at that point will have clauses which can even further limit the presidents power including the ability for congress to have to re-authorize the conflict every so many days or months or years. The system is relatively simple and honestly there are far more pressing issues and more fucked up topics in our country to really worry about this sound and well-operating system. (If you argue that the system doesn;t work because we go to war so often and for unpopular reasons, I implore you to look at the real blame: Congress and the american populous who consistently turns out in abysmal numbers to elect the people who decide if we go to war) You dont like war? then vote for someone who also doesn't like war... hell, just vote.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Feb 16 UTC
To further my point I ask that we start a game of diplomacy where France (strongest power by a significant consensus) is governed by a group of 11 individuals all of whom have different win conditions:
Chairman- Draw or solo victory
Army Gen- Largest land force at end of game
Navy Gen- Largest Naval force at end of game
Representative Marseilles- Win without italy being eliminated
Representative Paris- Win without ever losing Paris and maintain a constant military presence in Burgundy
Representative Brest- Win without england being eliminated
Diplomat Russia- Win and make russia second largest
Diplomat Turkey- Win and make Turkey second largest
Diplomat Austria- Win and make Austria second Larget
Diplomat Germany- Win and make Germany second largest
Diplomat england- win and make England second largest

and they must vote on every issue and all issues require a simple majority.

meanwhile every other nation has a common sense system in which the military is operated by an individual.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Feb 16 UTC
sorry 12. I forgot the Diplomat Italy.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Feb 16 UTC
oh and every 4 years we will switch all the players out.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Feb 16 UTC
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"The system is relatively simple and honestly there are far more pressing issues and more fucked up topics in our country to really worry about this sound and well-operating system."

I think i mostly agree with Bryon there.

The US military machine works, at wars. You could complain about wasted R&D budgets, and corrupt senators who need big military contracts to keep their state going (you could even blame them for the wars).

You could also complain about poor funding for veterans care and bad decisions made when fighting in a desert (the first time, with boots melting and helicopter unable to fly in the sand - mistakes were made, i'm sure the military has been in Iraq long enough now to have learned from them)

But you can't complain about the effectiveness of the US military. (Well maybe as a diplomatic tool, they are not very effective... Maybe drone strikes make more people hate America, and that reduces your security... Maybe...)
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Feb 16 UTC
@ora- And most of those complaints can be attributed again to congress since congress approves military budgets, those senators are in congress, an even the drones could potentially be tossed to congress since the Armed Forces Committee could impose restrictions on drone strikes.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Feb 16 UTC
Yeah, lots of things you could say, but i think i agree that the american military machine is one of the most effective arms of the US government.

Whether i agree with how it is used or funded is a different matter. It is a testament to what the US can do when it agrees on something (and unfortunate that this thing happens to involve killing human beings - but then i'm the kind of pacifist who doesn't think war justifies killing)
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Feb 16 UTC
@ora- when I was studying to be an Army officer in college (before leaving for various reasons) I was studying to be a Civil Affairs Officer. really hoping for it. They do the face to face negotiating on the ground, that nation building part and trying to win the hearts and minds, I wanted to try to turn the tide from kill target A mentality to a convince target A that I am not here to ruin his life or end it. Of course I am not opposed to killing if my life is endangered but I wanted to try to mitigate killing the best I could. Now I am pursuing possibly becoming a police officer, die to recent events in our country.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Feb 16 UTC
@"that nation building part and trying to win the hearts and minds, I wanted to try to turn the tide from kill target A mentality to a convince target A that I am not here to ruin his life or end it"

Pity you didn't finish, but how well did that work in Iraq?? Sure there are now Sunni and Shia militias who probably hate each other more than the US, but i'm not sure that is a success of the 'winning hearts and minds' campaign...
TooCoolSunday (634 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
At least you get to vote for who commands your armed forces. The head of our armed forces is whoever is born at the right time into God's favourite family; currently Liz II.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
27 Feb 16 UTC
TCS- wait so the queen actual'y has power?
Lethologica (203 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
TBF, whatever else one might say about the Iraq war (and there's plenty to say), it'd have gone better if we'd had an actual 'winning hearts and minds' campaign from the start, instead of the 'kill Saddam, obliterate his government, and chase WMD ghosts' campaign we actually went with. Maybe then we'd have avoided the disasters that took place immediately after the invasion, like de-Ba'athification and disbanding the existing Iraqi military. (The invasion itself can be considered a disaster, but that doesn't mean later implementation fuckups didn't make things significantly worse.)
Lethologica (203 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
ETA: replace "disaster" in my previous comment with "disastrous policy decision(s)".
Lethologica (203 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
Also, let's add "going to Iraq without sufficient personnel for the nation-building task we ended up trying to achieve." Of course, it's not clear any realistic quantity would have been enough.


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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
26 Feb 16 UTC
opinions;
so you have an excellent ally and didnt plan to stab this turn but your ally has 8 hours left to input orders hasn't spoke to you and looks like he might NMR. do you assume the worst and attack or hope for best and not attack? also assume you will be IRL busy the rest of the game an unable to change your decision if he does return.
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Hastati (100 D)
27 Feb 16 UTC
jDip Fall of America?
Looked around the web and can't seem to find one, is there a module for the jDip client for Fall of the American Empire? I have a forum that's doing play by post and we're seeing which variants we can use.
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KingCyrus (511 D)
26 Feb 16 UTC
Air Force reveals design for LRS-B
New B-21, looks a heck of a lot like the B-2.
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jpuhrer (369 D)
24 Feb 16 UTC
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Email Notifications??
Is it not possible to have email notifications when game begins, messages are received, orders are processed etc? After playing a few games I wonder how much time I have spent checking my phone or computer to see if orders have been processed or I've received any messages.
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brainbomb (295 D)
26 Feb 16 UTC
DAILY free trying to get people unbanned thread
Are you trying to get someone unbanned? Are you an idiot trying to meta and say stupid things ? post here and get unbanned. Offer free IDs and latex paint with a bottle of old harper.
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
23 Feb 16 UTC
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PJ Gunboat (the return)
as above below
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brainbomb (295 D)
26 Feb 16 UTC
SCOTUS Senator Palpatine found dead at Texas Ranch
BREAKING NEWS The supreme chancellor of the Imperial Senate has died. He will be replaced by a snarling horde of Ewoks.
-AP 2/26/2016
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KingCyrus (511 D)
24 Feb 16 UTC
Nevada Results
Trump wins big, Clinton, not as big. Rubio takes number 2 as Kasich and Carson fall into irrelevancy.

What takeaways do we have?
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JEccles (421 D)
25 Feb 16 UTC
Europa League
Anyone else watching this Manchester United-Midtjylland match?
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
24 Feb 16 UTC
David Cameron reaches new low at Prime Minister's Questions
At PMQ's this afternoon, Jeremy Corbyn asked right-wing PM David Cameron a serious question about health funding.

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brainbomb (295 D)
21 Feb 16 UTC
Daily Cage Match Battles %Post Here%
Legolas vs A German Panzer Tank
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Nevertheless (0 DX)
24 Feb 16 UTC
Meta Gaming and Multiple Account
Has anyone else who is innocent of these accusations been accused of them and how did you prove your innocence? I want to make it clear I am not in any way blaming the moderators for investigating. Just want to prove to them that I am not and unsure of how to proceed
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Octavious (2802 D)
24 Feb 16 UTC
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Political Interconnectedness
I'm genuinely curious about the changing nature of the drawn out simultaneous US Presidential nomination battles. Does one Party's campaign influence the other to any great degree?
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DammmmDaniel (100 D)
23 Feb 16 UTC
Join my game
Guys please join up at my diplomacy game right here http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=174968
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
23 Feb 16 UTC
Joe Biden's Scumslip
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/701828664342630400

Welp.
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smoky (771 D)
23 Feb 16 UTC
Goat Shoot just CLASSIC
i want a classic game and a just want a people to join so we can play :)

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=174967
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
24 Feb 16 UTC
Playster
http://members.playster.com/#front/home

So I just downloaded a 90 free-trial of this. Some of you should join me and maybe we can figure out if it will be worth the 25$ a month price at the end of the 90 days.
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
24 Feb 16 UTC
Moderator please
I have an urgent request to be reviewed in 24 hours (before the phase goes through), can you please check mod mail?
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Fluminator (1500 D)
20 Feb 16 UTC
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CANZUK - freedom of movement between 4 countries
I recently learned about this movement to have Canada, Australia, UK, and New Zealand be easier to travel between. The CANZUK.
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Baskineli (100 D(B))
30 Jan 16 UTC
How to organize new games
It has become exceedingly harder to organize new classy games without CDs. How do you organize such games? Please share some tips.
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
23 Feb 16 UTC
Europe through History....
Came across this link, apologies as its via facebook but couldn't find it anywhere else. https://www.facebook.com/mark.delvecchio.7/videos/941931915903515/

Quite an interesting demonstration of how Europe boundaries altered and made me think it might be quite fun to do a similar time lapse of a Diplomacy game if anyone was bored....
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