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Celticassassin3 (100 D)
06 Oct 14 UTC
Fleet moves from Ukraine to Poland
In my game, I am Russia and at conflict with Near-East. His fleet got behind my lines when it magically moved to Poland from the Ukraine. This shouldn't occur. A fleet can not move across land. I would appreciate it if this issue was resolved.
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acornist (1023 D)
29 Sep 14 UTC
Destroying units when no orders received.
If I read the FAQ properly, when no orders are received, units are destroyed based on distance from a home supply center with a tie-breaker being alphabetic order. In a current game I'm playing, Russia had to destroy two units. Livonia, Ukraine and Black Sea were all one move away from a home SC. The units that were destroyed, however, were Black Sea and Ukraine. Based on the tie-breaker, shouldn't that have been Black Sea and Livonia?
SandgooseXXI (113 D)
29 Sep 14 UTC
You'll need the game ID and a quick note to the mods to investigate the game. [email protected]
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
29 Sep 14 UTC
I believe that fleets are destroyed first. Though I do know there is a bug that we're working on fixing related to this I don't think it would apply here.
kasimax (243 D)
29 Sep 14 UTC
for convenience: i think that this is the game id.

gameID=147463
santosh (335 D)
29 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)

Really interesting case, I went digging into the source to figure out what was happening. Here's the actual code that determines the destroy order:
https://github.com/kestasjk/webDiplomacy/blob/6a7b05d6871d85fa057a232e3a92742e88fe9047/variants/install.php

The first consideration is the distance from home supply centers, which is 1 for all three of Livonia, Ukraine and the Black Sea. The second consideration is whether they are armies or fleets, and the third is the alphabetical order of the territory. Creating the string this way gives us

0001 Army Ukraine
0001 Fleet Black Sea
0001 Fleet Livonia

which explains the destroy orders.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
29 Sep 14 UTC
Hmm, I wonder if the home center has to be owned by the country in order for it to be counted as a home center. I'll have to look into the code and see what's happening there.
santosh (335 D)
29 Sep 14 UTC
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http://goo.gl/kmCHQj , previous URL ran out of the page., Line 270.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
29 Sep 14 UTC
Not sure how the code considers "home centers" but it might be different in games like Modern Diplomacy.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
30 Sep 14 UTC
Yes, as santosh points out, there's currently a bug that causes armies to be destroyed before fleets - when it should be the other way round. The comments in that code indicate that it's more of a case of a mistake reading the rules rather than broken logic.

The fix is simple - but it would also be good to implement the DATC build tests too - since the site doesn't currently run them.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
30 Sep 14 UTC
In the webdip implementation, the "home centres" are defined as the original centres owned by that power. They don't change if you don't own them. I believe this is what the DATC tests assume too, but I can't remember if it's tested or not.
^ TC is on the case, on the money. This has been a pet peeve of mine to solve. I can't stand the fact that we're not conforming to the actual rules.
santosh (335 D)
30 Sep 14 UTC
From what I remember, it doesn't sound too hard to implement. Currently, the DestroyIndex table is initialized at the start, and left unchanged. It should be very few lines of code to make it update when you do the supply center recounting.
JECE (1248 D)
30 Sep 14 UTC
acornist: Next time this happens, demand a pause from your fellow players and the mods until they fix the disband.
JECE (1248 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
This is really annoying, actually. Just I alone have brought this up a million times:
threadID=542473
threadID=528518 (pages 42–44)
threadID=662706
threadID=829390
threadID=977415
threadID=1061455
threadID=1108136
TC made the code to solve this. However, we'd want to test run it properly before it's implemented and that takes time. But it's closer to being solved than it ever was.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
@JECE, it's not something I can fix, even with database access. Messing with the table that holds the game matrix is extremely complicated and not worth potentially messing up 500 games. My hope is we'll get a code fix ready soon, but the mods don't have the ability to switch the position of a unit.
JECE (1248 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
By the way, I don't see anything about convoys. They need to be taken into account in the computation of the shortest distance:
"If a country in civil disorder has to remove units, the units farthest
from home (most distant from the nearest home supply centre as computed by the shortest available route, including convoys) is removed first. If units are equally distant, then remove Fleets before Armies and then in alphabetical order by the provinces in which they’re located."
* http://www.stabbeurfou.org/docs/regles/en/diplomacy_rulebook.pdf (pg. 19)
* http://www.stabbeurfou.org/docs/regles/en/Compl_Hasbro_en.html
JECE (1248 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
jmo1121109: I swear that I've seen a unit moved before. Perhaps it was an exceptionally egregious error.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
We can turn back the phase of a turn in the case of a site error, and it's possible Kestas might have a while ago, but unless he decided too it couldn't be done. Hmm, as I'm typing this I think I came up with something that might work. So if it comes up again we'll see what we can do, but hopefully we'll have the code fixed before that.
JECE (1248 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
TheMinisterOfWar and jmo1121109: Sorry if I sounded rude earlier, by the way. I meant to say that I was annoyed because over four and a half years had passed since the glitch first cropped up and in much of that time its status was unknown. Most recently it was just assumed by posters that the issue had been resolved. I'm glad to hear that you are all aware of what is going on now.

As far as testing goes, I think the DATC can be quite useful as I conjectured here: threadID=829390.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
JECE, are you offering to implement the missing DATC tests?
JECE (1248 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
Any updates?

A_Tin_Can: How would I go about doing that?
JECE (1248 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
In fact, I could just use Little Dipper (http://www.getjar.mobi/mobile/388543/) and identify where the DATC tests fail, but I'm sure that the webDiplomacy code has changed since SunZi wrote the app. Moreover, wouldn't it would make more sense to run the tests once the outstanding problems were fixed?


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Mujus (1495 D(B))
07 Oct 14 UTC
The meaning of life... Discuss.
...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
Webdip steam group?
I know there was a thread but I lost it, so I'm spamming the forum.

Can someone link me?
56 replies
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mendax (321 D)
02 Oct 14 UTC
Welp
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/loss-antarctic-ice-causing-gravity-dips-0
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Putin33 (111 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
3-4 Day Trip to NYC
Any suggestions for what to see in a half week trip to NYC? This place has historically given good tips on this sort of thing.

*Particularly interested in off beat/not the usual tourist stuff.
8 replies
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
07 Oct 14 UTC
Which Country is the Strongest?
The age old question. Traditionally, people might say Russia, but I have some evidence from the old Masters data that may suggest otherwise. Its not statistically significant, but its a starting point for a conversation.
60 replies
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Fluminator (1500 D)
07 Oct 14 UTC
World War 4 game on Vdiplomacy
It is a 36 player game. Game has already started, and it's the very first turn. There are 5 open slots. Only join if you won't CD.
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=20816
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Parth (212 D)
07 Oct 14 UTC
What exactly is meant by a gunboat??
I wish to know what is meant by a gunboat?? And what is a tournament? Can new players participate in tournaments?? Also, what if my points become 0? Would appreciate if I get answers to all my questions.
6 replies
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chelodegli (350 D)
03 Oct 14 UTC
Need Help with an unfair game
There is one player taking advantage of two abandoned players, getting every sc left alone to get a solo. I think this kind of games is not consistent with the nature of Diplomacy. Maybe the rules were set like that at the beginning, but if anyone is boring and wants to offer some resistence, I could send you which game it is. I'm not sure if that is legal here because the game is anonymous.
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acornist (1023 D)
06 Oct 14 UTC
Resigned?
Why am I noted as "Resigned" in Game ID 147547. What does resigned mean, anyway?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
06 Oct 14 UTC
Question for theists
To you, God created the Universe. What would you call the set of both God and the Universe? Do you give a name to the collective entity? If not, why not?
103 replies
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Brewmachine (104 D)
07 Oct 14 UTC
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Please Update the Rules
The rules are in serious need of an update, specifically the forum ones.
46 replies
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Brewmachine (104 D)
07 Oct 14 UTC
(+1)
A Question on Porn Moderation
Tell me, do pictures such as these violate the pornography rules on this website?
12 replies
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vexlord (231 D)
24 Sep 14 UTC
Public chat new game
Tired of keeping track of who you lied to and about what? Join http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=147936
You can see what everyone has to say about everything !
111 D ppsc public chat
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Oct 14 UTC
Sitter Needed
Sitter needed for an anonymous world game from October 10-24, please PM me if you're available. Do not post.
18 replies
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
16 Sep 14 UTC
Any interest in Mafia?
It's been over a month. Any interest?
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wash_your_hands (10 DX)
07 Oct 14 UTC
Live game
I can't seem to find the "Advertise live games here" thread so here gameID=148500 is a good new live game. If someone could help me find this thread that would be much appreciated.
2 replies
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Oct 14 UTC
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NFL Pick 'em Week 5: The Parade of 2-2 Teams
Well, we missed last week, and (another) TNF blowout, but we're back. :) My oh my, look at all the 2-2 teams. My 49ers, fresh off pulling out a win none but I thought (hoped?) possible face the return of Alex Smith and the Chiefs, both at 2-2. Bears/Panthers? 2-2. Falcons/Giants? 2-2. The Texas teams clash, the Cowboys and Texans both sitting at 3-1. The SNF match-up? The reeling (!) Pats vs. the unbeaten (!) Bengals...Week 5...pick 'em!
11 replies
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Sandman99 (95 D)
03 Oct 14 UTC
What is the best government type?
So, what are everybody's political views? Is Democracy your thing? Or are you more for Socialism. Be sure to give reasons why yours is the best!
133 replies
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
02 Oct 14 UTC
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Paradox Steam Sale
EU IV, CKII, and all other Paradox titles 75% off on Steam this weekend. For those who haven't tried, its a good time to get the games for cheap. I believe CK II is also free to play over the weekend.
52 replies
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ssorenn (0 DX)
04 Oct 14 UTC
Full Press Action
who wants to play: Full Press 24 hour wta
41 replies
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Mintyboy4 (100 D)
06 Oct 14 UTC
Just checking a rule
Could a fleet in Gulf of Bothnia support a fleet int St Petersburg from Barents sea? Or would that not work as they border different coasts.

I'd assume not, but I just wanted to double check, as it's not a situation I've ever had I believe, but it's not one I want to wait to find out if I'm right or wrong from experience.
4 replies
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Balrog (219 D)
03 Oct 14 UTC
New Lusthog Game
Let's setup another Lusthog, shall we?

Interested players reply with preferred phase length and Buy-in.
24 replies
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JaimeR (100 D)
05 Oct 14 UTC
Strange delay in live games
Any thoughts on what's going on?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
05 Oct 14 UTC
World Game Little Time Left!!!!!!
gameID=148368
11 More!!!
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
27 Sep 14 UTC
I traded Lesean McCoy/Ledarius Green for Martellus Bennett/Monte Ball in fantasy football
So far, McCoy has not had a good game. He hit 13 pts once, has 1 rushing TD, no games reaching 80 yds and earned 2 D last game. Philly is facing a tough niner's D tomorrow and still has a rigid schedule. That said, he is still a prolific back and is a solid target in the short passing game. I have sproles on my team, but did I make a mistake?
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pjmansfield99 (100 D)
03 Oct 14 UTC
Occupy Hong Kong...
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1608996/live-police-struggle-keep-order-street-fights-break-out-mong-kok - anyone got any comments?
44 replies
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alperen (100 D)
05 Oct 14 UTC
Fast Game
Fast game is beginning in 2 hours. Join and enjoy the fast thinking.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=148445
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kaner406 (356 D)
05 Oct 14 UTC
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poor guy.
http://tinypic.com/r/2ik8800/8
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