You should allow people to disband and rebuild different units. Otherwise this won't work at all. Sounds cool though.

How would you ever win? It would be essentially impossible to get to 18 SCs because you wouldn't be able to defend your gains. People would either just stay put or chase each other in circles around the map.

It's a special-rules game, an experiment. I have no idea how well it would work.

I do, it would fail miserably. Especially if you don't let them rebuild forced disbands.

also, what if, for example, austria is going after an england? they would not be able to defeat them because they would not have enough fleets. I would be interested in the idea, however, it would work better if we were able to, for example, build one unit for every 2 scs.

The problem would be triggering disbands when someone finds themselves stabbed and has to get back down to the SC/2 count.

Initially I thought you can rebuild up to your starting units. Probably the best way to do it, if we do. If anyone is interested, just add themselves to this list:

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I'd be interested in the proposed reduced builds, but Russia has a distinct advantage all game with 4 units to every one else's 3.

You should try this, just to see how badly it goes.

Yes, but as a normal game, Russia has four neighbors to fight.

I just think that there should be a limit cap such as 6 as the maximum. i would be interested.
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I'll give it a whirl.

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No. I'm not wasting my time on this.

It'll be interesting to observe this game, but I don't actually want to take part.

Given a restriction on building beyond 3 units (or 4 for Russia), ensures that there will never be more than 22 units on the board, unlike the typical 34 (or most often at least 30+) units that fill the board for most of the game once neutral SCs are taken.

Once players start getting eliminated, the number of units are only going to drop further. If things come down to four players (if eliminating the other three can even be reasonably managed), there will be just 12 (or maybe 13 with Russia) units left. With so few units and so much space to run around in, it seems like it will be very difficult to maintain borders or contain threats, and hence it will just be a lot of chasing people around.

In such a variant, mass can only be destroyed, rather than built up and then transferred around as in the normal game.

Should be hilarious to watch.

I think it's going to be frustrating, and fun, and awful, and great.

what if it was something like, you could only build a unit for every enemy home SC you captured? that way you could keep 22 units at all times and puts a twist on which SCs to gun for?

That is a good idea. I like it.

we could say that you can only have one extra unit built for each year. ex: 1901 to 1902 would equal plus 1 possible unit built. you would then be able to build one more each tturn. I like kallen's idea though.

I would play with kallen's idea, but won't be able to start until Monday, and I would like at least 1day phases, and a smaller pot. I don't care about wta or ppsc or anon.

Another variation that would work is one unit for each home SC you possess and one for every two captured SCs. So a win would have at most 10 units (4 +{13/2) or 3+(14/2))

But it would work best on a build anywhere map.

http://www.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=38

@ Chaqa: "Yes, but as a normal game, Russia has four neighbors to fight"

Only at the beginning. What you fail to realise is that if you have no builds, your natural urge to protect your home SCs is reduced. In your proposed variant, it would be just as much in Russia's interests to abandon one of its borders and focus all four units in one direction.

Except Russia's two fleets are at polar opposites on the map.

Don't be silly Draungar the map barely goes beyond Europe.

Don't be intentionally obtuse, Jamie, you know I meant the northern and southern edges *of the map*. That's why I said "on the map".

Bumping for Chaqa.