There are 200+ applicants per 1 academic job, dickheads. Many PhDs are on footstamps. But when you can't win an argument, you have to resort to this kind of skullduggery. Typical.

You're filled with hate Invictus. Nothing makes you smile like some country being bombed or somebody's life being ruined.

Hey I don't feel bad skulldugering a skulldugerer.

@ Invictus: Are you denying that the Soviet Union played a huge part in defeating Nazi Germany? Is it your view that anyone who believes the USSR massively contributed to Hitler's defeat should be hated?

"Hey I don't feel bad skulldugering"

Fixed that for you.

Invictus is pathetic enough to actually be serious when he says he hates someone on a flipping message board.

There's no reasonable way to draw that out from what I wrote. Of course the Soviets played a huge part in defeating Nazi Germany. It's his calling the West a joke that makes me incandescent, and should make you that way too. His denial of Soviet war rapes and, I can only assume, all the horrors that Soviet domination wrought on Eastern Europe for the next 45 years is also a reason to think little of him.

To Jamiet99uk. The good communist.

The apologists of terror bombing and the nuking of Japan want us all toe kiss their rearends for doing little during WWII while they stab the Red Army in the back and engage in a half century long smear campaign against their legacy after killing 80%+ of the German wehrmacht wardead. They believe every Nazi lie but they cry and cry and cry about respecting service and sacrifice.

Seriously, go fuck yourself.

You first.

OOOOHHHH BURNNNNN

How the hell did we get on the eastern front western front thing again? for fucks sake.

the allies use of bombing civilians in wwii was unquestionably the most massive use of terrorism in warfare in human history. LeMay and Truman would have been tried and hanged as war criminals had the US lost. At least Truman went on to regret his decision about the atomic bombs. He was wise enough to fire MacArthur in Korean conflict.

"How the hell did we get on the eastern front western front thing again?"

I don't know, Fulham has to mention the Book of Condolences once every month or else a kitten dies.

Regarding the whole east front west front bs, I have many times stated that the war was primarily won by the USSR. But, Putin seems to have taken this stance to an extreme. Yes the western allies over emphasized their own roll in the defeat of germany, but does that mean the western front had ZERO impact on outcome of the war as putin is so instant about? Probably the truth is more nuanced the putin's brain allows.

Yes the Russians basically won the war, but by what percentage? 80%? 100%? Would they have won if there had been no western front? Who knows.

Oil from north africa was critical to germany, particularly since they failed to capture the central asian fields. Italy drew down forces from the eastern front. The near encirclement at falaise took out and modest amount of german forces.

Had germany made peace with the UK or somehow neutralized them before invading the USSR the outcome might have been different. It is highly unlikely the US would have staged any operations in ETO had the UK not been in the war.

role

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(gotta learn how to proof read)

Just one quibble. It is not true that Germany was dependent on oil from North Africa (oil was not discovered in much of north Africa until well after the war). Germany got oil from Romania, Norway, western Europe, Austria, and the Caucasian oil fields that they occupied in the Soviet Union (not Baku, but Maykop). They also produced a ton of synthetic oil from coal.

yeah so, terrorism...

". It is not true that Germany was dependent on oil from North Africa )."

Another half-truth and deliberate obstfication from Mr Denial:

On February 11, 1940, Germany and the Soviet Union entered into an intricate trade pact in which the Soviet Union would send Germany 650 million Reichsmarks in raw materials in exchange for 650 million Reichmarks in machinery, manufactured goods and technology.[50][52] The trade pact helped Germany to surmount the British blockade.[2]...................................................................
While some slowdowns and negotiations occurred especially during the early negotiations of specific orders,[3] the Soviet Union met most of its requirements under the agreement.[53] It became a major supplier of vital materials to Germany, including petroleum, manganese, copper, nickel, chrome, platinum, lumber and grain.[57]

Wiki citing Shirer, William L. (1990), The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany, Simon and Schuster, Weeks, Albert L., Stalin's Other War: Soviet Grand Strategy, 1939-1941, Rowman & Littlefield, 2003, Ericson, Edward E. (1999), Feeding the German Eagle: Soviet Economic Aid to Nazi Germany, 1933-1941, Greenwood Publishing Group, Cohen, Yohanon, Small Nations in Times of Crisis and Confrontation, SUNY Press, 1989 and Moss, Walter, A History of Russia: Since 1855, Anthem Press, 2005.

Bear in mind what else was going on on the western front in 1939, 1940 and early 1941, while the Nazis were being supplied from the east by the Russians In that context, assuming for a moment that there was indeed a delay in opening the second front, this would then be just a tad more understandable.

@ Fulhamish: That doesn't mention North African oil at all, what are you on about?

@ Jamie. Oil from North Africa was indeed, not critical for Germany. In the early years of the war, however, oil (and other vital raw materials) sold to the Germans by the USSR was. It was this oil which went a long way to power the Panzers in France, Belgium and Holland and the bombers over London in the Blitz. So not only did the Russians not open a second front they actively helped the Nazi war machine. I think this to be relevant to the discussion on the eastern/western fronts. Sorry for not explaining this more clearly for you.

@Putin33 "the multitudes of Irish people who didnt serve the Empire are monsters"

When did fulhamish say that?