Wot u doing posting your EOG here, cluttering up the forum with Diplo related threads :-)

I'm not sure if he could safely pull back. He had three neighbours: Russia, Germany and me. If he pulled back from Germany or Russia they would just try to take whatever he pulled out from in attempt to save themselves from being cut from the draw. Which I feel could possibly leave a good window for me, or maybe even you if you played your cards right, to take an opportunity to solo. Pulling out from Italy could possibly end up the same, with no real added benefit.

Get lost EoGers this thread is for political rants only

Definitely worth the risk, I think. He can retake Ionian from Naples and just look to take Galacia -- as long as you don't press him, you guys would see what England does in the next year and then make a draw decision. With you pulling back from MAO, I do not think there was a solo risk from Italy. Turkey has enough to defend while England begins to press from the North. Italy has the greatest interest to quickly draw being vulnerable to England, but Turkey need not care about that just yet... if England looks too strong, an allied Italy and Turkey would stop England for sure...

Heh, sucks with a pot of that size.

Yeah, GenLee - that would have been 200 more a piece for each of us....

Not that I'm a point slut, or anything <GRIN>... Fairfax, on the other hand, though...

England, I think you're drastically over-selling your positioning on the board. The idea that you would have space to finish off Germany *and* Russia seems far-fetched given your current force deployment. You get one build in 1912 (stolen from Italy, Turkey's biggest threat), two if you throw yourself on Denmark. Turkey likely loses Naples but gains Trieste, which means he's at 12 -- does Russia disband Norway? Not likely, seeing you advancing on him. Instead he likely throws to Turkey. Even if that only gives Turkey St. Petersburg, that's an entire northern front he doesn't have to worry about for *years* while your ships laboriously get into position. Are you going to attack Germany now too? Suddenly a Turkey at strength 13 or 14 is going to make all sorts of trouble for such a southern-oriented Italy by just going up and around him in previously-German lands. That's a huge risk -- your large number of fleets is relatively useless for setting up a stalemate line, and if you steal builds from Italy to make armies you're only weakening him in the south.

Is it possible that the draw could have been reduced? Sure. But it also would have given Turkey a much better chance at a solo, and would have taken years regardless. If anything, Turkey should have continued and pushed for the solo.

JM - nothing is easy, but definitely room to see how it would develop... and hey, if your not willing to sell yourself hard, don't expect to be paid the big bucks, yes?