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Frollo (1033 D)
17 Mar 13 UTC
Rules: What will happen, if...
Hello. Could you please explain, what will happen in the following case. There are 4 areas: 1,2,3,4, team A occupies 1 and 2, team B - 3 and 4.
Team A moves: Army at 1: move from 1 to 3; Army at 2: support move from 1 to 3. Team B moves: Army at 3: move from 3 to 2; Army at 4: support move from 3 to 2. What will happen: nothing? Or team B's army will move from 3 to 2, team's A army at 2 will be dislodged and team A's army will move from 1 to 3? Thanks for clarification.
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
17 Mar 13 UTC
2 on 2 conflict, nothing happens.
Barn3tt (41969 D)
17 Mar 13 UTC
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Or team B's army will move from 3 to 2, team's A army at 2 will be dislodged and team A's army will move from 1 to 3
RAZ000 (272 D(G))
17 Mar 13 UTC
I do not believe units can exchange places without use of a convoy order. Due to this I believe everyone would bump at the boarder and return home.
ghug (5068 D(B))
17 Mar 13 UTC
Barn3tt is right: 3 dislodges 2 and one moves to 3.
chluke (12292 D(G))
17 Mar 13 UTC
Barn#tt is correct. Here's why:

Team B's army move 3 to 2 is successful with support from Army 4 (since Army 4's support is not cut).
Team A's army 2 is dislodged and forced to retreat/disband (and actual "support" of Army 1 move to 3 is unsucessful). However Team A army 1 still succeeds in moving to 3 because that space was voluntarily vacated by Team B.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
17 Mar 13 UTC
Yep, Barn3tt is correct. The confusion is people thinking the two moving units were moving against each other, which they are not. 1 is moving to 3 and 3 is moving to 2. 2 is dislodged and can retreat to 1 or any other spot it could have moved to unsupported.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
17 Mar 13 UTC
Edit, 2 could only retreat to 1 if 2 and 1 were adjacent. In my head they were, but that was unspecified, sorry.

The dislodged unit from 2 can retreat to any spot that it could have moved unsupported during the movement phase.
Frollo (1033 D)
17 Mar 13 UTC
Guys, thank you all! It's clear now.
philcore (317 D(S))
18 Mar 13 UTC
I was hoping this was going to be one that I've wondered about many times. It's only a slight modification to the OP with are 4 being attacked instead of are 3

There are 4 areas: 1,2,3,4, team A occupies 1 and 2, team B - 3 and 4.
Team A moves: Army at 1: move from 1 to 4; Army at 2: support move from 1 to 4 Team B moves: Army at 3: move from 3 to 2; Army at 4: support move from 3 to 2.

In this variation both of the supporting units are being attacked by the other. I see this a lot when I'm grunge to figure out possibilities, but so far the other player hasn't made the moves for me to know for sure.

I think I know what the result would be, but i'd like to hear from the more experienced players.

The possible contradictions are a dislodged unit has no effect, and a unit that is hit has its support broken. In this case, each supporting unit is being double attacked with no support holds, so which rule wins (or is applied first) and what is the outcome?
philcore (317 D(S))
18 Mar 13 UTC
Are= Area. & grunge=trying
Alderian (2425 D(S))
18 Mar 13 UTC
Both supports are cut, so nothing moves.

You can try it out using jDip or realpolitik which you can download from sourceforge.net.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/jdip/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/realpolitik/
Barn3tt (41969 D)
18 Mar 13 UTC
Both supports are not cut. A(3)'s support by A(4) remains. So, A(2) is dislodged.
Barn3tt (41969 D)
18 Mar 13 UTC
ex: A(Gal) supported into Budapest by A(Rum). A(Bud) supports A(Vie) to Gal.
Result: A(Bud) dislodged. A(Vie) proceeds to now vacated Gal.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
18 Mar 13 UTC
By the way, the rulebook on page 9 (http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf) says:

"A dislodged unit, even with support, has no effect on the province that dislodged it."

and

"A dislodged unit can still cause a standoff in a province different from the one that dislodged it."

So those rules don't really apply to the scenario you put forth.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
18 Mar 13 UTC
@Barn3tt, I was responding to philcore's tweaked scenario in which 1 cuts 4 and 2 cuts 3. So both are cut.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
18 Mar 13 UTC
For example, A Rum S Gal-Bud and A Bud S Ukr-Rum.
Barn3tt (41969 D)
18 Mar 13 UTC
Yup- didn't see that Philcore had a modified questions. Standoff all around.

my bad
philcore (317 D(S))
18 Mar 13 UTC
Ok that's what I thought. Thanks brn3ttt and alderain.

And thanks for the links, ill have to check those out.


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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
16 Mar 13 UTC
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I would just like to remind people the trouble Kestas went through to build a PM system. This means that if you have a message for an individual member, you can send it to them directly. Isn't that neat? Please stop spamming the Forum.
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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Did you celebrate?
What other odd holidays do you celebrate?
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damian (675 D)
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erist (228 D(B))
17 Mar 13 UTC
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16 Mar 13 UTC
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jimgov (219 D(B))
17 Mar 13 UTC
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
16 Mar 13 UTC
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Hey krellin
Do you know what "yes or no question" means?
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blankflag (0 DX)
17 Mar 13 UTC
pirate internet
this isnt really news so im not putting it in my other thread. but who has considered pirate internet and how it could work to get around a tyranical government? precedents are the ussr fax machine network and of course pirate radio.
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The Czech (40398 D(S))
17 Mar 13 UTC
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Ayreon (3398 D)
16 Mar 13 UTC
Metagaming or Double account in live game Rusty Fast
A very strange strategy in this game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=112718#gamePanel
where Russia and Austria played as a single player... I ask to the developer of the site to verify the game and the position of the two players thanks.
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jimgov (219 D(B))
16 Mar 13 UTC
Why full press live games?
I've seen a lot of live games advertised that are 5 minute phases that, once I click on them, are full press. Why? I find it hard enough to get in gunboat orders in 5 minutes once the game gets going. What is the draw to such a game?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
WTF? Why the hell would they do that?
More inside...
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dubmdell (556 D)
16 Mar 13 UTC
Another suggestion on forum improvements
The forum automatically detects excessive posting and duplicate posting. Can it catch "live game" with a simple update? Provide a message and reroute to the live games thread? In that vein, can it catch various phrases regarding cheating accusations?
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dirge (768 D(B))
16 Mar 13 UTC
RIP Allen Calhamer
The creator of Diplomacy, Allen Calhamer, passed away last week at the age of 81.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-03-03/news/ct-met-calhamer-obit-20130303_1_games-magazine-game-companies-diplomacy
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Petraeus (0 DX)
16 Mar 13 UTC
Join Fast Game Live now!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Mar 13 UTC
Hey 2ndWhiteLine
YES OR NO: "Do bo-sox and jimgov still have blueballs because they miss you so much, or is the answer no because you gsve them their release?"

Come on, pal, it's a simple question! Yes or No! In your world ALL yes or no questions are answerable...so come on, chump!
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jimgov (219 D(B))
16 Mar 13 UTC
Fast Europe 25 EOG
Crappppp! Good game, guys. I really screwed up a few orders there in the last few years, but you kept me from getting the solo.
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Mar 13 UTC
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He 2WL
Why are you so obsessed with following jimgov around and seconding his emotions? Are you that hard up for an original thought?
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Mar 13 UTC
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Hey JimGov
Are yo just another government lapdog that believes everything the government tells you?

Why can't you read a scientific paper that *Abge* posted and admit the science is correct, and that maybe your precious government is misinformed?
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Mar 13 UTC
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Hey Bo-Sox
Do you know the definition of PLAGIARISM?

Why do you plagiarize other people's work and post it on WebDip as if it's your own?
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Timur (684 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Stoned Agin!
Why don't we all go back to the old 60's hippy vibe for a game?
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15 Mar 13 UTC
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Does anyone live in or near Nashville, TN?

Also, (Native HOT) Pad Thai food is the way to go, not "American" hot.
When you go to a Thai restaurant, be sure to ask for native hot. You won't regret it!@!
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Mnrogar (100 D)
16 Mar 13 UTC
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Mar 13 UTC
1988 Predicts Los Angelas 2013
http://gizmodo.com/5990791/what-1988-los-angeles-thought-itd-look-like-in-2013

Interesting read....got some of it right...but I still don't have a robot to do my dishes.
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trip (696 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
This is a fucking travesty
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FlemGem (1297 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
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Krellin, I love you, but could you please discuss dog poop in this thread instead of in the "nice things" thread?
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