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Thucydides (864 D(B))
13 Nov 12 UTC
Just realized
The rhetoric of this website is so bombastic and antagonistic because that's how people who play diplomacy with each other inevitably end up feeling about each other. Duhhhhhhhhhh.

Add in your standard issue krellin, and agitate with a wooden spoon occasionally. Voila! gameID=696969
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dubmdell (556 D)
09 Nov 12 UTC
What would the Founding Fathers be saying if they were alive today?
Hey, where did these 37 other states come from?
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Lucid (155 D)
13 Nov 12 UTC
EOG Double CD for the loss
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LakersFan (899 D)
12 Nov 12 UTC
EOG Trying Gunboat Again, Be nice
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achillies27 (100 D)
04 Oct 12 UTC
ADVERTISE YOUR GAMES THAT NEED REPLACEMENTS HERE!
I assumed that since SG was banned... we would need this :)
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ulytau (541 D)
09 Nov 12 UTC
Hey Draugnar MAN UP
DDoS this shit already!
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
12 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Bloodhounds
Jagermaister, explain yourself!
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Moondust (195 D)
10 Nov 12 UTC
New Gamer Questions
Hi! I'm new here. I bought the board game before realizing it takes 7 players to play. I watched several youtube videos on how to play and one directed me here.

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Moondust (195 D)
10 Nov 12 UTC
Sending Private Messages
Hi! I sent several private messages to a player that is starting games, and that person was flagged as being online. The messages were successfully sent. If they were to have replied back to me, where would I receive those replies? thanks!
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Spell of Wheels (4896 D)
09 Nov 12 UTC
Rule question Re: convoyed army cutting support
I should know better, but does a convoyed army cut support to the province it is attempting to reach? I want to support hold the fleet that is next to the province, so I don't want to use my fleet, but I've got an idle army that I wouldn't mind convoying if it will cut supported action by the unit in the province I am convoying to.
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Putin33 (111 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
The "Prohibition Didn't Work" Myth
Laws work
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
I wonder if Putin and the rest of the Prohibitionists are in favor of poisoning people too:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html

"Industrial alcohol is basically grain alcohol with some unpleasant chemicals mixed in to render it undrinkable. The U.S. government started requiring this "denaturing" process in 1906 for manufacturers who wanted to avoid the taxes levied on potable spirits. The U.S. Treasury Department, charged with overseeing alcohol enforcement, estimated that by the mid-1920s, some 60 million gallons of industrial alcohol were stolen annually to supply the country's drinkers. In response, in 1926, President Calvin Coolidge's government decided to turn to chemistry as an enforcement tool. Some 70 denaturing formulas existed by the 1920s. Most simply added poisonous methyl alcohol into the mix. Others used bitter-tasting compounds that were less lethal, designed to make the alcohol taste so awful that it became undrinkable.

"By mid-1927, the new denaturing formulas included some notable poisons—kerosene and brucine (a plant alkaloid closely related to strychnine), gasoline, benzene, cadmium, iodine, zinc, mercury salts, nicotine, ether, formaldehyde, chloroform, camphor, carbolic acid, quinine, and acetone. The Treasury Department also demanded more methyl alcohol be added—up to 10 percent of total product. It was the last that proved most deadly.

"In 1926, in New York City, 1,200 were sickened by poisonous alcohol; 400 died. The following year, deaths climbed to 700. These numbers were repeated in cities around the country as public-health officials nationwide joined in the angry clamor. Furious anti-Prohibition legislators pushed for a halt in the use of lethal chemistry. "Only one possessing the instincts of a wild beast would desire to kill or make blind the man who takes a drink of liquor, even if he purchased it from one violating the Prohibition statutes," proclaimed Sen. James Reed of Missouri."

And as for alcohol consumption going down, apparently the insurance actuaries (people who make money depending on how accurate they are, not on telling governments what they want to hear) disagreed:

"But people continued to drink—and in large quantities. Alcoholism rates soared during the 1920s; insurance companies charted the increase at more than 300 more percent. Speakeasies promptly opened for business. By the decade's end, some 30,000 existed in New York City alone. Street gangs grew into bootlegging empires built on smuggling, stealing, and manufacturing illegal alcohol. The country's defiant response to the new laws shocked those who sincerely (and naively) believed that the amendment would usher in a new era of upright behavior.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
As a chemist, I consider poisoning people one of my core and most satisfying activities.
Putin33 (111 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
""Prohibition was enabled and motivated by a variety of sources. Xenophobia was one of them."

That's a far cry from what Santa was suggesting.

"that xenophobia was the ONLY thing motivating Prohibition, hence a straw man. And you backpedaled into "primarily" in your defense of it."

Jesus. All this hue and cry over using just vs primarily, when you're suggested that Santa claimed that xenophobia was one factor of many, when he never did.

Let's cease this petty semantic warfare and actually debate the substance, please.
Putin33 (111 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
Funny, preventing the poisoning of people is why the Czech Republic recently banned hard liquor in their country. Glad to see the anti-regulators are now all of a sudden in favor of regulating what goes into alcohol.

"(people who make money depending on how accurate they are"

ROFL

" insurance companies charted the increase at more than 300 more percent. "

A figure pulled out of nowhere, like the typical legalizer statistic.

http://www.bu.edu/econ/files/2011/01/2004_40_Miron.pdf

As for heaping abuse on Calvin Coolidge (who wasn't even a Prohibitionist), that's amazing. I'll keep this in mind next time you libertarians put him at the top of your Presidents list.


Fasces349 (0 DX)
11 Nov 12 UTC
Putin, I'm going to assume your joking and not bring merit to your argument by responding.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
Notice how Putin completely ignored the main point - that Prohibitionist Holy Warriors thought killing people to move closer to their vision of a more perfect and orderly society was perfectly reasonable.

Is anyone surprised?
Putin33 (111 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
Coolidge was anything but a "Prohibitionist Holy Warrior", which was the point I made.

Also, this process never stopped. Denatured alcohol is still not taxed. I guess you can't trust people not to drink Sterno. Maybe Sterno is a government plot to poison people.

Ever notice that those who yell loudly about 'personal responsibility' always seem to blame everybody else for their own mistakes?
Putin33 (111 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
It's the government's fault bootleggers stole industrial alcohol and tried to renature it for sale, illegally, after all. It's also the government's fault that people bought the industrial alcohol from the bootleggers. The people who bought & sold the product that was not meant for consumption are entirely free of blame.

smcbride1983 (517 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
Putin, The Government did pass laws that had companies add extra chemicals such as benzene to the industrial alcohol in hopes that people wouldn't drink it.
Zmaj (215 D(B))
11 Nov 12 UTC
Prohibition used wrong methods. A modern Prohibitionist should learn from the fight against smoking. Cigarette production hasn't been made illegal, but smoking has been drastically reduced.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
"Coolidge was anything but a "Prohibitionist Holy Warrior", which was the point I made."

Coolidge seems to disagree with your assessment of him:

"The prohibition amendment to the Constitution requires the Congress. and the President to provide adequate laws to prevent its violation. It is my duty to enforce such laws. For that purpose a treaty is being negotiated with Great Britain with respect to the ri lit of search of hovering vessels. To prevent smuggling, the Coast Card should be greatly strengthened, and a supply of swift power boats should be provided. The major sources of production should be rigidly regulated, and every effort should be made to suppress interstate traffic. With this action on the part of the National Government, and the cooperation which is usually rendered by municipal and State authorities, prohibition should be made effective. Free government has no greater menace than disrespect for authority and continual violation of law. It is the duty of a citizen not only to observe the law but to let it be known that he is opposed to its violation."

-Calvin Coolidge

"It's also the government's fault that people bought the industrial alcohol from the bootleggers."

Exactly. If production of alcohol hadn't been criminalized, there would have been no need to unpoison poisoned alcohol, and consequently no deaths resultingfrom the deliberate poisoning process.

"I guess you can't trust people not to drink Sterno. Maybe Sterno is a government plot to poison people."

Hahaha... how many people have tried to denature Sterno for human consumption when you can get a bottle of whiskey down at the local liquor store?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Nov 12 UTC
"Any law that inspires disrespect for other laws — the good laws — is a bad law."

See, he was actually a constitutionalist and believed in enforcing the law as written. Something surprising, I know, to self-proclaimed constitution worshippers who claim they wouldn't abuse their office to legislate unconstitutional decrees.

"If production of alcohol hadn't been criminalized, there would have been no need to unpoison poisoned alcohol, and consequently no deaths resultingfrom the deliberate poisoning process."

Instead there would have been increased deaths from good old fashioned overconsumption of alcohol and liver disease. How humane.

"how many people have tried to denature Sterno for human consumption when you can get a bottle of whiskey down at the local liquor store?"

A surprisingly large number.
smcbride1983 (517 D)
12 Nov 12 UTC
Right, so your argument is that adding poisons to alcohol is more humane than letting people choose to overconsume alcohol? I think you should come to terms with your cognitive dissonance.
ckroberts (3548 D)
12 Nov 12 UTC
As silly as this discussion is, I am glad it exists, because before recently, the only people I had ever met who made such arguments were Christian evangelicals who made it part of a larger prohibitionist effort. You know, the kinds who say that wine in the Bible was almost completely non-alcoholic, the types who have grape juice at communion. Growing up among evangelical Christians, I met many such folks. I'd only believed that religious fervor could inspire belief in something so transparently false; now I know otherwise.

For my part, I'll no more waste time arguing that Prohibition was a failure than I would in arguing the earth is round. People who claim otherwise are willfully deluded or pushing some other agenda.
Ramsu (100 D)
12 Nov 12 UTC
In any country that prohibition has been put on effect it has been withdrawn pretty quick. Why you might ask? Moonshine and scalpers.
fulhamish (4134 D)
12 Nov 12 UTC
I believe at one time the Soviets derived 1/3 of their tax take from ''state liquor''. Gorby came in and tried to address the problem with anti-alcohol campaigns, but with little long-term success.


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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Nov 12 UTC
EOG: gunboat game-26
gameID=104042

I always thought it was common knowledge to assume people knew where the draw button was when they've played for years.
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Moondust (195 D)
12 Nov 12 UTC
Kansas City Are Diplomats
Hi! I'm from Kansas City. If there are other Diplomats in the KC area, please let me know. I have the board game and we can have a real life game day.

:)
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
Socialized Medicine
People who defend communism often take Cuba as an example and in particular the Cuban health care system. I once saw this movie by Michael Moore which I found manipulative, and I don't want to use it as a direct source, but it did inspire me to think about this subject.
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PunxsutawneyPhil (382 D)
12 Nov 12 UTC
New game - PPSC - anon - classic map - 25D
Join if you like.

http://95.211.128.12/webdiplomacy/board.php?gameID=104062
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Nov 12 UTC
Genghis Khan
As per below.
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
12 Nov 12 UTC
Happy Veterans Day!
--and Thanks to those who have served orare serving in the armed forces.
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
11 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Brutal Deluxe
...or, the rise and fall and rise of France.
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President Eden (2750 D)
10 Nov 12 UTC
we imperial now
I know there's some EU3 fans in here so I thought I'd post my most recent achievement. France -> HRE, prior to 1450, and to top everything off, the ruler is named Charles (i.e. Charlemagne).

http://i.imgur.com/I9kTn.jpg
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President Eden (2750 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
CFB Thread 11/10: The "Lol Alabama" Edition
I'm holding off on celebrating too much yet. If Alabama drops the ball against Auburn and loses again, THEN I'll party. Still good to see the conference's offseason acquisitions were at least halfway a success... rankings to follow
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shield (3929 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
When I play Gunboat...
1. Everyone likes to attack Russia.
2. Austria always seems to attack Italy when I hear conventional wisdom is for them to team up.
3. In light of Austria attacking Italy, S01 A-Venice to Trieste works well for Italy despite conventional wisdom that says stay neutral, especially as Italy.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
11 Nov 12 UTC
ALABAMA
FUCKIN LOST! YYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY
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President Eden (2750 D)
04 Nov 12 UTC
ASDFGHJKL - College Football Open Thread 2012/11/3
About the only thing that makes sense about that game was the final score. I dunno whether to be ecstatic about LSU finding an offense or pissed that the same old coaching miscues cost the team the win.
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The Czech (40398 D(S))
11 Nov 12 UTC
Any Mods online?
Let me know so I can send an email.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
31 Oct 12 UTC
Former friends and foes and new folks who want to try and take out the Draugnar...
I need a new world game. One just wrapped and another is almost done. I enjoy world for the fun conversation and less intense play. So who is up for a 101 buy-in WTA 24-48 hour world game (anon or non is up for discussion).
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twinsnation (503 D(B))
11 Nov 12 UTC
anc med fast game
please join, 15 minutes from now
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
11 Nov 12 UTC
EoG: Partys Fun Palace-29
I already said this today, but it bears repeating: the Czech is a noob :D
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flc64 (1963 D)
11 Nov 12 UTC
Roll Tide? Or Rolled Tide?
My condolences to all Alabama fans…the Roll Tide just got Manzieled and Swoped.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
10 Nov 12 UTC
How NOT to Air Your Post-Election Grievances
You can--and should--criticize the President if you want, however much you want, that's how a free democracy is kept free, but...DON'T wish the President dead, or sling racial slurs! Coarse, cruel, unworthy, uncalled for, and STUPID!
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Woman-fired-for-Obama-racial-slur-on-Facebook-4023129.php
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EvW (261 D)
10 Nov 12 UTC
Replacements needed for world map
New Quebec and pacific russia needed: gameID=103719

Both hold very decent positions.
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