lol @ ass comments

"You don't know how many of my friends have freaked out to me because a guy hasn't made a move by the 3rd date. They think it means they are undesirable... or he is gay."

Frankly, if they're that insecure (undesirable) or stupid (omg he hasn't tried to fuck me after three dates MUST B GHEY), they're welcome to leave after the third date. I don't have time for that shit.

its a litle stupid to think you are undesirable for someone who is dating you 3 times,if it was the case one date is enougth,but female are insecure by nature.

Yes, women are insecure by societal nature. You can't put a number on when to make a move. That's dependent on the stability of your relationship to that point as well as who she is and who you are. Most of the time, that is simply generalization that wrecks a lot of relationships.

The elephant in the room that no one is addressing here is that, at least where I'm from, people in my generation don't really date anymore unless they're already in a relationship.

Prior it's just a phase called "talking" which ranges all the way from exchanging flirty text messages to hooking up (which, for our older members, these days means casual sex).

I don't think that's unique to your generation. More often than not, I would go from knowing someone to knowing them pretty well to fucking them to dating.

Lol, explains why I had a lot of 3 date relationships.

"Yes, women are insecure by societal nature. You can't put a number on when to make a move. That's dependent on the stability of your relationship to that point as well as who she is and who you are. Most of the time, that is simply generalization that wrecks a lot of relationships."

this

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Splitting the bill is annoying to the waitstaff. Whoever makes the invitation pays the bill.

Better solution, stop going out so much. Find something better to do with your time than paying to wait at a restaurant.

That's not fair Putin, I'd rather not have to call an ambulance after my date gets food poisining because of my cooking.

Just put out some cheese, bread, wine, and maybe some fruit or tomatoes something. Some charcuterie. That's enough.

Not that I know anything, I married a commie.

I'll have to agree with Thucy, most people here don't really date until after they've started a relationship.

While that is a good and cheap idea Putin, most people I know would be weirded out at such a lay out. Most people my age don't drink proper wine, just goon. I also know too many people who would call it teh gays or teh womans thing. I like to think gender stereotypes have reduced, but I'm proven wrong on a daily basis.

Over here though it easier, we have a ton of cheap good Asian restaurants where there is little wait for either a seat or for the food.

"Splitting the bill is annoying to the waitstaff."

Huh. I mean, I could see why, but most of the times I've gone out the waitstaff has asked about splitting the bill. Good to know.

Oh well, then I'm a gay woman.

i am totally lesbian guy

I'd disagree that splitting the bill is annoying to the waitstaff. When I was in college 20 years ago, I waited tables, and I seriously enjoyed any time someone split the bill since it usually resulted in a larger tip. Plus, our software, even then, was set up so that when you entered the food, you entered it by seat, which takes all of a second to establish. You can then split seat one and seat two seamlessly. It's even better when you don't use the computer to split it, though, and the people decide to both pay in x amount of cash because when they both have cash in hand and are deciding what an "even" split would be, they both want to demonstrate to the other that they like to tip well. Or, if one of them is anti-tipping, the other usually manages to successfully browbeat them into doing it.

From my former waitstaff perspective: Please, by all means, split the bill. It's not annoying, it's gravy.

Note: If you do split the bill, though, make sure to stipulate in advance who intends to pay for any and all shared appetizers or desserts.

Agree with SD. 7 years as a waiter and split bills were low on the list of annoyances. You just expect it. The only time it bothered me was when it was a big table and they'd get up and switch seats and expect me to remember who all had what

I only ask the server for a split bill if it's an even split.

Each pays his/her menu, man pays drinks and desert?