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krellin (80 DX)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Has Anyone Noticed Abge...
....thinking that, because he's a mod, he thinks his opinion and *judgements* have more meaning.
Wait...JUDGING!! Funny...so many people thinking JUDGING is bad...and Yet it is ALL THE RAGE if you are judging a conservative. Sad hypocrites....
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rokakoma (19138 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
PW'd WTA Gunboat
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dubmdell (556 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Completely lost (high level math again)
Here's the problem: http://imgur.com/6bSaE
Here's how I started: http://imgur.com/tJQiS

Am I on the right track? Have I done things correctly thus far? Any hints on how to proceed?
patizcool (100 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
I see the problem here... There's a bunch of letters when you should actually have numbers... That's not math, it's English ;)
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
19 Apr 12 UTC
You need to go to the teacher or the TA for this, dubmdell. I think you are relying too much on this site and not taking enough responsibility for your own education.
dubmdell (556 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
The very reason I didn't post problem and work last time, and I got criticized for the problem being impossible to work. Thanks, zultar, for making this a no-win situation for me.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Apr 12 UTC
Sorry, but I haven't had to do math like this for quite some time. I remember it well enough to know I don't want to relearn it, though : )

What course is this for?
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
19 Apr 12 UTC
"The very reason I didn't post problem and work last time, and I got criticized for the problem being impossible to work."
I don't understand this sentence.

I don't see how what I said makes this into a no-win for you. Most of the math nerds on here have helped out another player one time or another, but there has to come a point where I think you need to take the initiative to go in and see the teacher/TA. If they really are incapable or unwilling to explain, then get a few other students on board and talk to the department head as it is a systematic problem.
semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Apr 12 UTC
Have you done separation of variables yet, dubmdell? I would do something like the following. I hope you can follow LaTeX-y notation. I'm going to be sloppy and skip justifications. You can look stuff up about the details.

Assume u(t,x,y) = T(t)X(x)Y(y). (I'm assuming it's a product of three one-variable functions, hence separation of variables).

So u_{tt} = T''(t)X(x)Y(y), u_{xx} = T(t)X''(x)Y(y), and u_{yy} = T(t)X(x)Y''(y). The equation then reads

T''(t)X(x)Y(y) = c^2(T(t)X''(x)Y(y) + T(t)X(x)Y''(y))

Divide through by TXY to get

T''(t) / T(t) = c^2(X''(x) / X(x) + Y''(y)/Y(y))

The argument now goes: here you have an equality in different variables that is supposed to be true for all t,x, and y. This can only happen if each side is constant. I'm not going to go through all the details, but suffice to say that, with these boundary conditions, we're going to want to take the constant to be negative, so call it -k^2. (You can try taking it positive and going through the remaining steps, and you'll see that you come to grief).

So we have, as it's usually written,

T''(t) / T(t) = -c^2k^2, or

T''(t) = -c^2k^2T(t).

This is a second-order ODE. The two solutions are T(t) = B sin(ckt) and A cos(ckt), for constants A and B.

Since we want u_t(0) = 0, that tells us that T'(0) = 0, so B = 0, so we just have T(t) = A cos(ckt) for some A to be determined.

Now, each of the terms on the right-hand side has to be a constant, too. Let's say -a^2 and -b^2, where a^2 + b^2 = k^2. So we have

X''(t) = -a^2X(t), so X(t) = B cos(at) + C sin(at), and similarly Y(t) = D cos(bt) + E sin(bt).

We're starting to get lots of undetermined constants. Let's try to clean those up. We know u = 0 on the boundary for all times. That means X should be 0 at 0 and 1, and Y should be 0 at 0 and 1. Cosine is never going to be zero at 0, so we can scrap both cosine terms, i.e., set B = D = 0. We're left with X(x) = C sin(at) and Y(y) = D sin(at). Since we have X(1) = 0, that tells us sin(at) = 0, or a = n \pi for some nonzero integer n. Ditto for b -- say b = m \pi for some integer m.

That means k = \pi \sqrt(n^2 + m^2) = \pi \sqrt( (remember we had k^2 = a^2 + b^2). So our general solution is

u(t,x,y) = A cos(c\pi \sqrt(n^2 + m^2)t) sin(n\pi x) sin (m \pi y). Great! But wait -- we still have these undetermined numbers A, m, and n. What gives? Well, here's the amazing step, of course, and the one where we use our last boundary condition. It's pretty time-consuming, yet amazing, so I'm just going to sketch it out.

This is a linear equation, so the sum of solutions is a solution. It turns out we can write any solution as

\sum_{m,n = 1}^{\infty} A(m,n) cos(c\pi \sqrt(n^2 + m^2)t) sin(n\pi x) sin (m \pi y).

(I can leave off negative m, n, because sine is odd).

All that's left is to figure out the coefficients A(m,n)s! To do this, use the amazing fact that the double integral over R of sin(n\pi x)sin(m \pi y) sin(n' \pi x) sin (m' \pi y) is zero unless m' = m and n' = n. So multiply both sides of the above equation (the infinite sum one) by sin(n' \pi x) sin(m' \pi x), set t = 0 (which sets the cosines all to 1), and integrate over k. That kills all the terms in the sum except the (m', n') one on the right. So we might as well rename it (m,n) for convenience. You're left with

the integral over R of -16x(x - 1/2)y(y - 1/2) sin(n\pi x)sin(m \pi y) = A(m,n) times the integral over R of sin^2(n\pi x) sin^2 (m \pi y).

Perform the integrations (which could take half an hour :-)) and you'll have A(m,n)! You can then just plug that into the series above, and you have your solution written as an infinite series of sines and cosines.

I hope this was helpful at all. Probably a little confusing. I suggest you check out Chapter 6, and especially Example 6.4, in Vretblad's "Fourier Analysis and Its Applications." There's also a lot on the internet about separation of variables problems.

He also does equations with the Fourier transform in Chapter 7, if it's important to use that. (Is it, by the way? Maybe I should have asked. :-P).
dubmdell (556 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
PDE. In looking through my notes again, I think Fourier is probably not the way to go. Maybe it's a wave function I need to be considering. Thanks anyway, abge.
dubmdell (556 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Zultar, you have not paid attention to the other thread, clearly.

Semck, let me look through this and see if I get what you're saying.
semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Apr 12 UTC
Note: in the first integral above, I forgot the denominator (0 - 1/2)^4.
dubmdell (556 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Thanks, semck. Let me work through the separation, etc, and see if I get something confusing or not. My older notes start out with variable separation, so that was the next thing I would try.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Apr 12 UTC
@semck

Isn't LaTeX the most beautiful thing.
semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Apr 12 UTC
Yes, abge, it's very, very nice. And the output is so beautiful, you just want to stare at it all day long.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
19 Apr 12 UTC
I just had to write a paper, give a presentation, and make a poster.

I wrote the paper in LaTeX, copied and pasted it into a presentation template, and then copied and pasted into a poster template. It was like getting 2 documents for free and they all looked beautiful.
semck83 (229 D(B))
19 Apr 12 UTC
Nice, abge.

Note, dub: I got a little concerned about convergence properties, and whether I had made a mistake in the above. So I stuck my formula in Mathematica and found the coefficients. They looked divergent, off-hand, but they gave me the right answer at t = 0 for a couple random values, so since your class is applied, I'm calling it a day and saying that's correct.

Note, though, if you want to feel sure the above is right / see the justification for the various steps, reading a better treatment would be good.

But as I say, we're doing physics here, basically, and right at two values is right enough for that. :-) I'm pretty sure the solution does converge, I just don't want to spend any more time thinking about why.

Oh, and by the way -- the identity cos(n\pi) = (-1)^n will be useful in making your solution look nice.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
19 Apr 12 UTC
Yeah, I did not really follow the other thread. If I am wrong or have stated something you have already refuted, I apologize. It just makes sense to me to do what I suggested, but if there are extenuating circumstances, then...


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Sandgoose (0 DX)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Feelin' Good with Sandgoose
So tell me forum...what makes you feel good? Diplomacy-wise, personally, whatever. Keep it age appropriate! so X-rated is permitted. =)

ex: Logging in to webDip and seeing a bunch of press. Post away!
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cspieker (18223 D)
18 Apr 12 UTC
How exactly does the CD/resign/left thing work?
From playing a bunch of live games here is how I *think* it works. Could people correct and/or clarify my myriad of assumptions listed below.
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dubmdell (556 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Grilled cheese > PB & J
Discuss.
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coldsoup (164 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Replacement needed
Germany needed. If you can make friends you'll still be in good position.
gameID=85643
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dubmdell (556 D)
18 Apr 12 UTC
Need some high level math help
This is a convolution problem. Where ** is the symbol for convolution, I am having difficulty showing that:

xe^-x = (e^-x) ** (e^-x)
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Vaftrudner (2533 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
EOG [LIVE] GUNBOAT " Fun Unlimited" Edition
gameID=86646

Congratulations to Chanakya. But Bob, what happened in the last move there? I had Munich covered, Bur could have saved Mar, and Portugal was not in danger? I don't understand. We were just one turn away from drawing.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
18 Apr 12 UTC
Racist Swedish Cake
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17749533

I saw this wonderful news article on the BBC and I thought it was worth sharing - not only because it's so ridiculous it's comedic but also because it reminded me of our resident Swede, Vaft :)
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Definitely won't see this on American television
Julian Assange interviews Hassan Nasrallah (leader of Hezbollah)
http://assange.rt.com/nasrallah-episode-one/
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Chanakya. (703 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
EOG: [LIVE] GUNBOAT
Austria gave a good start and I managed to pull into Turkey defence later on that handed me the game and My rankings got to 1556 :) lol

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Sargmacher (0 DX)
18 Apr 12 UTC
Gunboat Teammanship
gameID=82180

What an impressive display! Faultless communication despite it being a gunboat.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1238 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Could people please stop signing up for games and then not showing up?
I swear, every time I'm Turkey or England, people don't show up and screw thegame. If I'm Austria, though, everybody's there with bells on and eager to move to Trieste and Galicia right away.
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
19 Apr 12 UTC
EOG WTA 17
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
18 Apr 12 UTC
Marxism
Marxism is fundamentally a theory of history which should entail a commitment to social change; that is, a commitment to a socialist future in which the forces of production are not owned privately as they are in capitalist societies but under common ownership.
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S.E. Peterson (100 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
WTA-GB-103 EOG
Thank you gentlemen for a very good game. And for your patience. (I had to try).
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Bob Genghiskhan (1238 D)
18 Apr 12 UTC
Chelski playing Barca
And Drogzilla scores. I effing hate Chelski, but I have nothing but admiration for Drogba. It helps that they're playing Barca, who I fucking detest since their several year long campaign to stoke Fabregas' discontent. Seriously, fuck them.
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King Atom (100 D)
18 Apr 12 UTC
Whenever I Get Upset...
...I listen to this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1OFuyCsJBk

And then I participate in my Two Minutes' Hate.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
18 Apr 12 UTC
Remember when we used to argue what historical figure would be best at diplomacy?
Relevant: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3857227_700b.jpg
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Bob Genghiskhan (1238 D)
18 Apr 12 UTC
It's heading into 1907, and no one has ever taken Spain.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=86594#gamePanel

Quality game. Quality.
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krellin (80 DX)
18 Apr 12 UTC
MR Religion (Fuzzy) is MAD!!!!
Oh My....I should be scared. I bet GOD is about to strike me down!!!!

Mr. Fuzzy nuts sent me THIS gem:
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
17 Apr 12 UTC
Question: Re: Muting Players
Why is it that messages from a player I have muted still flash up on my home screen intermittently? Does anyone else have that? Might it be because I'm using Chrome?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
18 Apr 12 UTC
Big Az Cheeseburgers - These things *rock*!
http://www.advancepierre.com/products/1443_Beef-Charbroil-with-Cheese.aspx

Oh! My! Fucking! God! They are too damn good for words!
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
14 Apr 12 UTC
To all those men who don't think rape jokes are a problem (NOT my work!)
An interesting perspective follows...
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Eggzavier (444 D)
18 Apr 12 UTC
New WTA games
gameID=86587 <= WTA press, long form
gameID=86591 <= WTA gunboat, long form
I can haz opponents?
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dubmdell (556 D)
18 Apr 12 UTC
JCBryan Invitational - Rematch EOG
gameID=83494
Congrats to Trood on his win.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
18 Apr 12 UTC
While Spain starves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17752983
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semck83 (229 D(B))
17 Apr 12 UTC
Companion Grammar Thread for Losers
Out of moderate respect for ulytau's authority, I am creating a companion thread for people who have been eliminated from his other thread to keep arguing about grammar, ulytau's thread, and how unjust the universe is for disliking how they (yes, *we*... sigh) write.
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coldsoup (164 D)
17 Apr 12 UTC
The grammar game!
See below for the rules. The game is designed for your inner troll.
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