How can you possibly say Fogel's work hasn't been challenged. "Time on the Cross" has been roundly panned and is a punchline in history seminars. It is taught in Historiography classes as an archaic approach to history that lost credence by the early nineties. I have no experience learning Fogel's Railroads and American Economic Growth, but I know that it is seen as flawed by many historians from conversations I've had.

And Finally, what does it matter. This was not even my argument, Fogel deals with the impact of the Railroads on the US GDP, I am talking about federal funding of railroads, yet again you name drop a book you heard about to try to lend credence to your argument that isnt even addressed in the book.

Santa, you're wasting your time.

TC is not only ignorant, but is proud of that fact. And if you point this out to him, he'll do one of three things:

1. Ignore you completely
2. Attempt to distract you with irrelevancy
3. Attack you personally.

And he wonders why nobody takes him seriously.

"I have no experience..... but I know."
That combination defines your historical approach Santa Claus.
You simply talk out of your ass.
I guess you are unaware that vanquished the critics of "Time on the Cross" with his massive rebuttal, "Without Consent or Contract."
The only criticism of "Time on the Cross" was from the Political Correct crowd like the race baiter Gaines.
Fogel established the fact that the traditional idea that railroads were crucial to America's development was false, and in Time on the Cross he destroyed the idea that slavery was not profitable and would die on its own.
His research showed that slavery was tremendously profitable and that the income from slave owners financed much of the economic expansion of the northern textile industry.

Of course you are ignorant of that because you simply don't know history and talk out of your ass from the dailykos or a dated textbook for undergrads that became anachronistic long ago.

So keep posting that the government supported the economy by giving Indian land to railroads when the railroads weren't even critical to the economy.

And above all keep posting nothing specific.

It's just amazing to see someone claiming to be a historian post "I have no experience learning Fogel's railroads...."

He is the only economic historian to win a nobel prize and Santa Claus doesn't even know about it.
What a joke.

Just like its amazing to see someone claiming to "know history" claim that the Continental Army and the Militia were the same thing, that the Transcontinental Railroad was not assisted by the Federal Government, That Time on the Cross is somehow established as a foundational work on slavery? A book that takes evidence from one plantation and uses that evidence writ large throughout the whole south? A book that is extremely controversial to the point where it is actually taught to students about what NOT to do in history. You are out of your mind, it was a mistake ever unmuting you one that I wont make again.

A book that was cited as a reason for Fogel's Nobel Prize.
You need no help making a fool of yourself Santa Claus.

I should add a book and author you aren't familiar with by your own admission.
It isn't surprising that Santa Claus has a mind easily manipulated.

TC, you're rapidly turning from an amusing joke, to a tiresome bore.

You need a new thing. Maybe take up something that doesn't strain your abilities... likes stamp collecting.

Because this thing... here? Its boring. You're not interested in an actual discussion, but only in spouting your misinformation and mediocrity. At least Krellin is amusing(like watching a cop cornhole a drunken fratboy)... but you. You're tiresome.

"You need a new thing. Maybe take up something that doesn't strain your abilities... likes stamp collecting." - Yeah, but you know what they say; Philately will get you nowhere.
(That joke works better if you say it aloud rather than read it. Though I use the word "works" quite wrongly as the joke is completely terrible.)

lol So jack...are you the drunken Fratboy???

"Why is it that TC's posts rely on complete stupidity and ad hominum instead of truth and logic?" Thought that would be a better topic.