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woofers (100 D)
23 May 11 UTC
How often do players register?
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Triumvir (1193 D)
21 May 11 UTC
Another Rapture Question
A question about one of the scripture references that Draug mentioned.
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Bigmac3000lbs (216 D)
23 May 11 UTC
Russia moving to the Baltic in Fall 1901 instead of Sweden, thoughts?
Russia moving to the Baltic instead of Sweden in Fall 1901, thoughts?
Bigmac3000lbs (216 D)
23 May 11 UTC
All too often I see Russians move to the Baltic only to get bounced by Germany, even if they agreed not to bounce previously. Indeed, I find that many German players reflexively bounces Russia, without really considering if this suits their long term diplomatic goals. To counter this tendency, I would argue that Russia should strongly consider moving to the Baltic in fall instead of Sweden.
I typically am in favor of Russia moving to the Baltic over Sweden, even if Germany agrees not to bounce. My reasoning is as follows, people are willing to say anything to you in Spring 1901 and many times Germany will just move to Sweden regardless of what he says because "Russia always moves to Sweden, so why not bounce him?"

A move to the Baltic on the other hand has several distinct advantages over Sweden. If Germany doesn't bounce you in Sweden, as long as you don't move your army in Warsaw west you can point out that a move to the Baltic doesn't actually threaten his position all that much. Moreover, now that you're in the Baltic, his incentive to bounce you out of Sweden is substantially lower.

If Germany does attempt to "bounce you" out of Sweden, he finds himself out of position, with Denmark completely open, his position is somewhat compromised and you're in the Baltic. I find it's a good move to keep Germany honest. What are your thoughts?
uclabb (589 D)
23 May 11 UTC
I think that if you know you are getting bounced for sure and you have an army sitting in Warsaw with nothing to do, it can be a pretty strong move coupled with a move to Silesia (and perhaps even a French army in Burgundy pressuring Munich).

But just moving there to move there is silly, in my opinion, as it is essentially forcing Germany to build eastern fleets that will come get Sweden sooner rather than later.

Having said that, I am not too great at Russia so maybe I am wrong.
taos (281 D)
23 May 11 UTC
i totally agree with @uclabb
Tiderion (274 D)
23 May 11 UTC
It's a matter of whether or not Russia can get away with it. If diplomacy is going well with England and Russia is not going to be seriously engaged by Germany, then it might be worthwhile to put the hurt on Germany sooner than later. However, moving into a strategic position in Autumn just in time for Germany to place units in defensive positions and for everyone to see a bold backstab early in the game might not be the best long term plan. And yes, this is a backstab because getting Germany to move everything westward to make room for your eastern invasion requires a lot of cajoling.
lol @ "move to the Baltic doesn't actually threaten [Germany's] position all that much"

it borders 2/3 HSCs and a natural neutral. yes it does threaten his position a lot, and if it were me that's about the only surefire way to see you lose Sweden by A02
Bigmac3000lbs (216 D)
23 May 11 UTC
I guess the way I look at it is that you only get into Sweden and keep it, is if Germany wants you there. In my experience, Germany will almost always builds fleet Kiel just to be on the safe side, even if he isn't gunning for England. A build in Munich, can still bounce with the fleet in Kiel and keep Berlin clear. As a result, you don't really force him to build a fleet in Berlin and Kiel.
Bigmac3000lbs (216 D)
23 May 11 UTC
Granted I'm far from worldly wise, and as all things in Diplomacy, a ton depends on the exact board positioning and who's sitting around the table.
And I'm sure Germany will be fine and dandy with being forced to use his two builds to defend against Russia because Russia moved to the Baltic Sea just for the hell of it.
It's not simply the actual damage that can be done -- realistically an isolated Baltic fleet is just wasting Russia's and Germany's times, Germany more than Russia. It's what Germany has to defend against and how much Germany has to tie up for literally no reason whatsoever that makes this problematic. I know of NO German player who would buy the line that you moved to Baltic Sea but don't want war.
uclabb (589 D)
23 May 11 UTC
@PE: Agreed. If you are moving to Baltic, you are attacking Germany. There is no way around it.
Bigmac3000lbs (216 D)
23 May 11 UTC
Given that the consensus seems to be that a fleet in the Baltic will be viewed as signs of clear hostile intent by Russia to attack Germany, even if it's only being done with the intent of gaining leverage for Sweden, and not out of a desire for a larger German campaign, what should Russia do to secure Sweden. Just hope and pray that Germany lets him in?
Send an army through St. Petersburg to Finland. England won't like the move to St. Petersburg very much, but going to Finland and not blocking Norway should be enough to restore goodwill.
And yes, I know, sounds awfully similar to moving to Gulf of Bothnia -> Baltic Sea -> Sweden. The difference here is twofold:

(1) Finland threatens one natural neutral instead of one natural neutral and 2 HSCs, and additionally can provide valuable defense of Sweden once Sweden is acquired. Baltic Sea can't.
(2) Russia basically has to do something somewhat threatening to one of its neighbors to be able to control its fate in the north early, whether by moving to Baltic Sea or Finland. Finland is much less controversial than Baltic Sea for reasons explained in (1). Just because you HAVE to be threatening to control your destiny doesn't mean you shouldn't try to be as non-threatening as possible.
Bigmac3000lbs (216 D)
23 May 11 UTC
So in other words, there is no fairly simple way to secure Sweden unless you open with Army Moscow to St. Petersburg.
Bigmac3000lbs (216 D)
23 May 11 UTC
Thanks for the advice guys. This was helpful. I just find it incredibly aggravating dealing with German players who say they won't bounce me and then bouncing me because there's no consequence so to speak.
More or less. I mean, obviously you have to factor diplomatic negotiations -- if you're afraid of the bounce, you should be talking to England anyway, so might as well either arrange the convoy to Denmark if you do suspect the bounce or, if not, ask England to support you into Sweden in S02 in the event your suspicions fail you. And of course there's the obvious tack of convincing Germany to gun for Belgium.

But as far as forcing Sweden... no, you really can't.
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
23 May 11 UTC
The move to Baltic unless you send a unit to Silesia too. Otherwise it's just going to get kicked out and you get attacked. One stray fleet doesn't really do much.


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LJ TYLER DURDEN (334 D)
21 May 11 UTC
Can we agree that Samuel Huntington is a fucking idiot?
Check inside for my rant.
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raphtown (151 D)
20 May 11 UTC
Notifications
Quite the simple question: Is there a way to receive an email notification when a phase adjudicates? I can't find this mentioned in the FAQ and I have yet to figure out how to search the forums (if that is possible)

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Mr. Sothers (266 D)
21 May 11 UTC
what does this error message mean?
Parameter 'fromTerrID' set to invalid value '4'.
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jasoncollins (186 D)
22 May 11 UTC
Requesting pause in game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57216

This game has 2 hours or so before next phase, and Russia hasn't input orders. However, Russia has input a pause vote, though there has been no discussion (unless I missed something) about a pause on the global chat. I think Russia has indicated from his pause though that he won't get back in time.. anyway, a pause would be appreciated until Russia returns.
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TheWizard (5364 D(S))
19 May 11 UTC
Anonymous/Non-anonymous new take
I know, old topic, but after listening to Edi's podcast interview, how about the following
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Guyana (168 D)
22 May 11 UTC
wta medboat
Is it possible to have someone in charge take a look at this game. It seems that perhaps Egypt and Rome are on the same team. They like disadvantaged games. I guess if they are not multi accounts then just bad sportsmanship for continuing a game that is at a complete disadvantage to those others..

Thanks
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
30 Apr 11 UTC
Live Practice Game for Boston FTF May 21
If you are coming to the Boston FTF, please join us for a live game Sat May 21 10 AM-4 PM EST. So far we have Crazyter, MadMarx, and Thucy. Possibly also abgemacht and Babak.
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The Czech (40297 D(S))
22 May 11 UTC
Palio 3 gameID=58233
Turkey was banned and we need a new turkey. Fall 03 and Turkey has 5 SCs.
Sev, Bul +home. Fs in Aeg and Bla. Please take over.
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Sicarius (673 D)
21 May 11 UTC
Under-reported news
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/25/assassinations

Raises some very interesting points
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The Czech (40297 D(S))
22 May 11 UTC
Gunboat I-4 gameID=59519
Sorry about the draw. I would have stuck around until Russia was gone, but my son has a dead battery and I have to go jump start it.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 May 11 UTC
If you like puns...
O. Henry Pun-Off 2011, watch live streaming: http://www.punpunpun.com/24918.html
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 May 11 UTC
Replacements needed in following games. Most in good position, early game
Player was banned; replacements requested. See inside:
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omgwhathappened (0 D)
20 May 11 UTC
Rapture Tomorrow - What to do about mass NMRs?
You guys, it just occurred to me that there might be some people here that are going to get caught up in the rapture tomorrow and that is going to create some serious upsets in ongoing games. Is there any kind of contingency plan for this? Mods?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
21 May 11 UTC
I'm hooked...
Firends have been telling me about this show "The Mentalist" and I've caught bits and pieces and knew some of the backstory from my friends, but I just watched the two-hour season finale. I am absolutely hooked. I guess I know what I'll be catching up on this summer.
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Einszweipolizei (110 D)
21 May 11 UTC
welkom
hjhjhjhjh
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 May 11 UTC
Forum Press 2 - grey press.
ok, so this is like the forum press game, except global chat is allowed. gameID=58500

pw and rules inside
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Draugnar (0 DX)
20 May 11 UTC
Pres LJT Draug's World Invitational - Round 2?
Anyone from that game (or that I, President Eden, or LJ Tyler Durden know fairly well on here) want to do another one? The last was just so much fun.
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The Lord Duke (3898 D)
20 May 11 UTC
Announcement:- This player has been banned!
I am getting very annoyed at this message from the gamesmaster..
Who has been banned? Why have they been banned?
How can we get another player to replace them if you don't say who they are or the country they are playing?
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jmeyersd (4240 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Game in Spanish
Anybody interested in playing a game in Spanish?
Game-details are negotiable -- I'm really more interested in some practice than in the diplomacy. The pot will be low enough to accommodate whoever wants to play.
All levels of Diplo. and Spanish are welcome.
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
20 May 11 UTC
Need an experienced CD Germany Replacement
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=56143

Hoping for at least top 200-300 in GR with ideally ~50ish or more games complete? Most in the game are top 100 GR, everyone is top 200-300 GR.
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taos (281 D)
21 May 11 UTC
מחפש שחקנים בעברית
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
20 May 11 UTC
Need a replacement Germany
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=56143

The German got busy and disappeared. A mod forced a CD so we can get a replacement, any takers??
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
20 May 11 UTC
British Comedy
New series and episode of Just a Minute if anyone is interested to listen: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01132zd/Just_a_Minute_Series_60_Episode_1/

Well worth a listen :)
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
13 May 11 UTC
WANTED: Suggestions for Prizes for Boston FTF
So far we've come up with:
1.Original Dip board(if we can get it)
2.Refund of the Registration fee
Who else has a creative idea?
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ell365 (100 D)
14 May 11 UTC
Better diplomacy site!
Hey everybody, I think you should all check out www.vdiplomacy.com - it has a huge number of maps and variations that are extremely fun to play - as well as the standard classic europe map.

There is no comparison between it and this site! I can't believe more people haven't registered, check it out now!
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Stukus (2126 D)
10 May 11 UTC
Issue Game
Let's argue over issues...with tanks!
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WRB (2664 D)
19 May 11 UTC
New Game; Fleece it Out
Leisurely pace of 2 days
PPSC
50 D buy-in
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