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woofers (100 D)
23 May 11 UTC
How often do players register?
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Triumvir (1193 D)
21 May 11 UTC
Another Rapture Question
A question about one of the scripture references that Draug mentioned.
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Bigmac3000lbs (216 D)
23 May 11 UTC
Russia moving to the Baltic in Fall 1901 instead of Sweden, thoughts?
Russia moving to the Baltic instead of Sweden in Fall 1901, thoughts?
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LJ TYLER DURDEN (334 D)
21 May 11 UTC
Can we agree that Samuel Huntington is a fucking idiot?
Check inside for my rant.
I first read his essay on Hispanic immigration and hated. Then in an Middle Eastern history class I read his "Clash of Civilization". I hate it when people are shouted down with nothing more than being labeled bigoted, but I think this guy is a good old-fashioned racist and an idiot to boot. Read the two articles below and see if you agree with me.

http://www.polsci.wvu.edu/faculty/hauser/PS103/Readings/HuntingtonClashOfCivilizationsForAffSummer93.pdf

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/gems/culturalagency1/SamuelHuntingtonTheHispanicC.pdf
is clash of civs the one where he states that cultural differences (7 major civilizations or something) make war inevitable?
Putin33 (111 D)
22 May 11 UTC
No, he says the world has moved from being characterized primarily by ideological conflict (the Cold War) to one that is primarily characterized by cultural/civilization conflict. He traces most of the major conflicts in the world to being at the fault lines of culture, where major civilizations overlap.

I don't agree with everything Huntington writes but most people who bash Clash of Civs have never bothered to read it. He was a brilliant political scientist.
i havnt read, but id be interested in seeing how he places certain areas and peoples in one "civilization" and leaves others out. I would think things are too complicated. (as i said never read this, but I have recollections from my international relations class in undergrad)
Putin33 (111 D)
22 May 11 UTC
Well people who hem and haw against any categorization of anything whatsoever will nitpick his piece endlessly, and that's mainly where the criticism lies. Huntington defines civilization as the highest cultural grouping people have before humans separate themselves from other species. He never ever says that these categories are homogeneous entities without important cultural differences within them. He says there are eight major civilizations: - Western, Confucian, Japanese, Islamic, Hindu, Slavic-Orthodox, Latin American and (possibly) African. But he does not by many means suggest these are the only civilizational groupings. The most important conflicts he says will be where these particular civilizations overlap. I think the "war on terror" and the civil wars of the 1990s have largely proven Huntington to be correct.
The things I disagree with are the parts where he implies that many non-Western civilizations are not ready or less able to adapt to democracy. In his essay about Hispanic immigration in the US he says that they compromise America's values and don't assimilate into the culture. Kind of a douchebag.
Non-Western cultures being less able (I would assume more for lack of desire than capacity) to adopt to Western democracy than Western culture isn't really inflammatory... unless I'm missing something, because I'm not seeing the inherent implication that this characteristic makes them inferior cultures for it.
Putin33 (111 D)
22 May 11 UTC
He's not exactly wrong about that point either. Not many democracies have indigenously sprung forth from non-western parts of the world. Those that have don't work exceedingly well. Democracy works better in cultures which have a long experience with the Enlightenment. This just isn't the case for most cultures outside of Europe. The fact is most of Latin America has been under some form of military rule for much of the 20th century. That's not to say though that his point about immigration is valid.
spyman (424 D(G))
22 May 11 UTC
"The things I disagree with are the parts where he implies that many non-Western civilizations are not ready or less able to adapt to democracy."

I don't think that opinion is all that controversial. Nor do I think it implies the superiority of Western Culture, in itself. In the West we take our liberal attitudes for granted, as if it were the most natural way of thinking. Take for example the emphasis on the individual in the west. From our perspective this is view as morally righteous, but in other cultures the concept is viewed as corrupting as it overrides older loyalties such as to the family, the tribe, religion (or other larger social units). But individualism is a core part of democracy, as we in the west know it. It is almost a cultural prerequisite for democracy. Furthermore we assume that democracy is desirable. And for us it is. Our democratic systems of governments provide political cohesion and stability, but this is not necessarily true for other cultures/societies. Democracy could in some circumstances be destabilizing, and not of great benefit.\

"In his essay about Hispanic immigration in the US he says that they compromise America's values and don't assimilate into the culture."

George Friedman shares similar views. In his book "The Next 100 Years" he postulates that the border region of Mexico and the United States could conceivably become part of Mexico again one day. That some of the immigrants who live in that area, are more likely to maintain older loyalties, especially as Mexican friends and family are so close by, and thus still see themselves as Mexican. Wheres those Latin Americans who live further away from the border are more likely to assimilate and see themselves as American.

This is not to denigrate Mexicans but is rather a product of human nature. Once the situation was the other way around. Texas and California we part of Mexico and it was the Americans who were the immigrants, but immigrants who were not interested in assimilating with Mexico.

Is this really true of Mexico and the United States, speaking for myself, I honestly don't know if it is true, but I can appreciate the reasoning.
First of all I don't think I phrased his views very well. Second, how many of you actually read the articles? I think you might be more critical of him once you read them. Third, I think the current revolutions in the Middle East spit in the face of such notions. The idea that democracy is a purely Western thing screams of that same tempered brand of "white man's burden" nonsense that was in vogue after World War Two under the Bretton Woods system.
Putin33 (111 D)
23 May 11 UTC
Please read the Problem of Political Order in Changing Societies. Huntington persuasively argues that the problem facing much of the non-western world is one of a lack of authority and order. He's arguing precisely the opposite of what you are saying about the 'white man's burden'. He does not think western governments should go around trying to impose neoliberalism and democracy on the rest of the world. He says economic modernization is destabilizing and will not necessarily lead to democracy.

Huntington was ironically denounced as being a sort of 'fascist' because he spoke favorably about military governments in Latin America and elsewhere in terms of their consequences for political development.


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raphtown (151 D)
20 May 11 UTC
Notifications
Quite the simple question: Is there a way to receive an email notification when a phase adjudicates? I can't find this mentioned in the FAQ and I have yet to figure out how to search the forums (if that is possible)

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Mr. Sothers (266 D)
21 May 11 UTC
what does this error message mean?
Parameter 'fromTerrID' set to invalid value '4'.
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jasoncollins (186 D)
22 May 11 UTC
Requesting pause in game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57216

This game has 2 hours or so before next phase, and Russia hasn't input orders. However, Russia has input a pause vote, though there has been no discussion (unless I missed something) about a pause on the global chat. I think Russia has indicated from his pause though that he won't get back in time.. anyway, a pause would be appreciated until Russia returns.
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TheWizard (5364 D(S))
19 May 11 UTC
Anonymous/Non-anonymous new take
I know, old topic, but after listening to Edi's podcast interview, how about the following
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Guyana (168 D)
22 May 11 UTC
wta medboat
Is it possible to have someone in charge take a look at this game. It seems that perhaps Egypt and Rome are on the same team. They like disadvantaged games. I guess if they are not multi accounts then just bad sportsmanship for continuing a game that is at a complete disadvantage to those others..

Thanks
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
30 Apr 11 UTC
Live Practice Game for Boston FTF May 21
If you are coming to the Boston FTF, please join us for a live game Sat May 21 10 AM-4 PM EST. So far we have Crazyter, MadMarx, and Thucy. Possibly also abgemacht and Babak.
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The Czech (40297 D(S))
22 May 11 UTC
Palio 3 gameID=58233
Turkey was banned and we need a new turkey. Fall 03 and Turkey has 5 SCs.
Sev, Bul +home. Fs in Aeg and Bla. Please take over.
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Sicarius (673 D)
21 May 11 UTC
Under-reported news
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/25/assassinations

Raises some very interesting points
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The Czech (40297 D(S))
22 May 11 UTC
Gunboat I-4 gameID=59519
Sorry about the draw. I would have stuck around until Russia was gone, but my son has a dead battery and I have to go jump start it.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 May 11 UTC
If you like puns...
O. Henry Pun-Off 2011, watch live streaming: http://www.punpunpun.com/24918.html
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 May 11 UTC
Replacements needed in following games. Most in good position, early game
Player was banned; replacements requested. See inside:
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omgwhathappened (0 D)
20 May 11 UTC
Rapture Tomorrow - What to do about mass NMRs?
You guys, it just occurred to me that there might be some people here that are going to get caught up in the rapture tomorrow and that is going to create some serious upsets in ongoing games. Is there any kind of contingency plan for this? Mods?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
21 May 11 UTC
I'm hooked...
Firends have been telling me about this show "The Mentalist" and I've caught bits and pieces and knew some of the backstory from my friends, but I just watched the two-hour season finale. I am absolutely hooked. I guess I know what I'll be catching up on this summer.
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Einszweipolizei (110 D)
21 May 11 UTC
welkom
hjhjhjhjh
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 May 11 UTC
Forum Press 2 - grey press.
ok, so this is like the forum press game, except global chat is allowed. gameID=58500

pw and rules inside
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Draugnar (0 DX)
20 May 11 UTC
Pres LJT Draug's World Invitational - Round 2?
Anyone from that game (or that I, President Eden, or LJ Tyler Durden know fairly well on here) want to do another one? The last was just so much fun.
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The Lord Duke (3898 D)
20 May 11 UTC
Announcement:- This player has been banned!
I am getting very annoyed at this message from the gamesmaster..
Who has been banned? Why have they been banned?
How can we get another player to replace them if you don't say who they are or the country they are playing?
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jmeyersd (4240 D)
11 May 11 UTC
Game in Spanish
Anybody interested in playing a game in Spanish?
Game-details are negotiable -- I'm really more interested in some practice than in the diplomacy. The pot will be low enough to accommodate whoever wants to play.
All levels of Diplo. and Spanish are welcome.
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
20 May 11 UTC
Need an experienced CD Germany Replacement
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=56143

Hoping for at least top 200-300 in GR with ideally ~50ish or more games complete? Most in the game are top 100 GR, everyone is top 200-300 GR.
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taos (281 D)
21 May 11 UTC
מחפש שחקנים בעברית
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
20 May 11 UTC
Need a replacement Germany
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=56143

The German got busy and disappeared. A mod forced a CD so we can get a replacement, any takers??
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
20 May 11 UTC
British Comedy
New series and episode of Just a Minute if anyone is interested to listen: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01132zd/Just_a_Minute_Series_60_Episode_1/

Well worth a listen :)
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
13 May 11 UTC
WANTED: Suggestions for Prizes for Boston FTF
So far we've come up with:
1.Original Dip board(if we can get it)
2.Refund of the Registration fee
Who else has a creative idea?
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ell365 (100 D)
14 May 11 UTC
Better diplomacy site!
Hey everybody, I think you should all check out www.vdiplomacy.com - it has a huge number of maps and variations that are extremely fun to play - as well as the standard classic europe map.

There is no comparison between it and this site! I can't believe more people haven't registered, check it out now!
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Stukus (2126 D)
10 May 11 UTC
Issue Game
Let's argue over issues...with tanks!
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WRB (2664 D)
19 May 11 UTC
New Game; Fleece it Out
Leisurely pace of 2 days
PPSC
50 D buy-in
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