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baumhaeuer (245 D)
17 Oct 10 UTC
Wherefore art thou been there?
Is the above legitimate King James English? Was "to be" conjugated in the with "to be" rather than "to have" in the perfect tenses?
baumhaeuer (245 D)
17 Oct 10 UTC
*aka "Early Modern English"
"Wherefore art thou" means "Why are you". When Juliet asks "Wherefore art thou Romeo" she's lamenting that the guy she just fell for was Romeo. It's kind of like "Why did it have to be Romeo".

Not sure about "been there". Hath and hast were commonly as helping verbs the way that have and had are used today. I think "to have" verbs were still used for perfect tenses. 80% of the words used in Early Modern English are still in use today, so it's perfectly comprehensible for most modern readers. Chaucer's Middle English and Beade's Old English "Anglo-Saxon" pose a bigger problem.
jman777 (407 D)
18 Oct 10 UTC
I don't actually know about it like Crazy but based on his translation of the first half I'd guess that "been there" means something along the lines of "there" or, based on the context, "have been there." That would make it a sort of "Why have you been there" or "Why are you being (sitting, standing, existing) there (in that spot)". I don't know just my conjectures. Curious though, why are you asking?
baumhaeuer (245 D)
19 Oct 10 UTC
"Why have you been there?" is what the sentence translates as. Many verbs were conjugated in the perfect tenses in EME, including come, become (I AM become death), rise, and fall. I was wondering if this applied to the verb to be because it occurred to me as being possible. The same is still done in German today "Warum BIST du dort gewesen" rather than Warum HAST du dort gewesen.
baumhaeuer (245 D)
20 Oct 10 UTC
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penguinflying (111 D)
20 Oct 10 UTC
I googled the phrase ["art been" or "hast been"] and turned up a lot of results for "hast been" (as in, have been), and maybe one result on the first three pages for "art been" where "art" was being used in the sense of "are" and not "artwork" or one of the other meanings of the contemporary English word "art."
Having no expertise, I would guess from that that "hast been" is correct, and "art been," if not incorrect, was at least rather unusual.
Timur (684 D(B))
20 Oct 10 UTC
"Welcome back! Wherefore art thou been, Giulietta?"
http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=4247&fArticleId=5369321
Ask Alfa. They appear to know.
pastoralan (100 D)
20 Oct 10 UTC
No. It's still English. "Why are you been there?" doesn't make any sense. You could say, "wherefore art thou there?" I think that's odd, but grammatical.
Timur (684 D(B))
20 Oct 10 UTC
I think it probably didn't matter a f*ck at that time whether your grammar was perfect or not, since there were no set-down rules. Communication may have been higher on the agenda. Think on . . .


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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
20 Oct 10 UTC
Gamemaster stopped processing games?
I wonder what happened?
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justinnhoo (2343 D)
19 Oct 10 UTC
OLD GAMES
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3#gamePanel
im looking at the old games on this website, how come u can't see the units?
11 replies
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penguinflying (111 D)
19 Oct 10 UTC
Rules Question: Support-Holding a unit that tries to move but fails.
Hypothetical situation here.
4 replies
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pixienat (100 D)
20 Oct 10 UTC
bug in game
Each time I enter ANY move, from Moscow it tells me there is an error.
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=39790
4 replies
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groza528 (518 D)
19 Oct 10 UTC
Adjusting strategy for absentees
Is it ok to change your strategy to account for other people missing their orders?
27 replies
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President Eden (2750 D)
17 Oct 10 UTC
Reference for PPSC draw vs strong second
Ever wondered if you would benefit more in a PPSC by playing for a strong second instead of drawing? Read on!
69 replies
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
15 Oct 10 UTC
Bannings
MAKE SURE THE EMAIL ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR ACCOUNT IS VALID AND CHECKED REGULARLY
If you do not your account might be closed.
53 replies
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Oskar (100 D(S))
19 Oct 10 UTC
Who likes Black Forest Ham?
We need four more players. Ante = 50, WTA, Anon, Phase = 1.5 days

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=40230
1 reply
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JetJaguar (820 D)
19 Oct 10 UTC
South American Map - Diplomacy
I'm set to meet up with some friends to play the 4 person South American variant. Anyone out there played that variant/map before? Any tips?
1 reply
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Invictus (240 D)
18 Oct 10 UTC
Collapse of North Korea
What happens when the North falls apart?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/17/AR2010101702608.html
13 replies
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texasdeluxe (516 D(B))
11 Oct 10 UTC
Atheism
I've almost finished reading 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins and thought I might share the experience here...
368 replies
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
19 Oct 10 UTC
Go Titans
Best game I've ever been a part of.
5 replies
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yayager (384 D)
19 Oct 10 UTC
Formartine United - Post Game Comments
9 replies
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tilMletokill (100 D)
17 Oct 10 UTC
PPSC, 35bet, and 1 day,12hour turns
2 replies
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JesusPetry (258 D)
11 Oct 10 UTC
Weaponship
Whoever is playing Austria in this gunboat may already unpause, France is back.
21 replies
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Malleus (2719 D)
18 Oct 10 UTC
No response to mod email
I sent an email to the mods about a week ago but have received no response. I sent it to [email protected]. Is that the correct address?
9 replies
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principians (881 D)
18 Oct 10 UTC
what do you think about...
...
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kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
18 Oct 10 UTC
China's medical ship reaches Kenya
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11560193

What do you think?
9 replies
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
17 Oct 10 UTC
GFDT Replacement Needed
I need a replacement to take over two games. If you're interested, email me at [email protected]!
13 replies
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Agent K (0 DX)
14 Oct 10 UTC
Calling out these players
Attention. I want to play a game with these people. If you do not join, it is because you are scared.

71 replies
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Furball (237 D)
17 Oct 10 UTC
Harmony between advanced and underdeveloped countries
So, my last thread I posted was about the great war between USA and China because of exchange rates. I also noted about Japan declaring war against the Yen (china's bill).
This time I want to point out a more long-term subject which we will have to look into as time passes.
"How will we create harmony between advanced and underdeveloped countries?"
Write what you think.
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Furball (237 D)
13 Oct 10 UTC
CHINA, USA WAR!!
Lately, a sort of war is happening between China and USA based on exchange rates. China has a fixed exchange rate. USA and the international society is pressuring China to change its policy to free changing exchange rates based on imports and exports. USA claims that "Chinese bills should be 40% higher in value than it is now." "This policy is disrupting the balance of the flow of money." ...
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BigZombieDude (1188 D)
10 Oct 10 UTC
Diplomacy quotes
I had an idea occur to me and its led me to start a project of sorts. To get the ball rolling i want to know your favourite Dipomacy quotes. I notice that some of you have them on your profile page but there must be a number of others out there...so to help me along, post them here and ill add it to my project!
52 replies
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BuddyBoy (147 D)
17 Oct 10 UTC
gunboat -3
We need more players, new or old. Join the fun!
5 replies
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tektelmektel (2766 D(S))
16 Oct 10 UTC
Is there a way to force a Draw
What happens if you are in an endless game and one of the players doesn't realize that a stalemate line has been established? Does the game autodraw after a period of time?
26 replies
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The Czech (40398 D(S))
17 Oct 10 UTC
Gary Numan Live
I'm going to see Gary Numan in concert tomorrow. Anyone seen him live? What can I expect? The venue is a club in Orlando. I've seen the Youtube vids, but am curious as to the sound live.
0 replies
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Draugnar (0 DX)
11 Oct 10 UTC
Oh man... This sucks...
So I'm in this game and kicking ass. But now the remaining players are going to band together and force me to draw. Good play on their part. No problem with it at all. But I'm so much higher rated in GR, that I'll *lose* GR on anything more than a 4 way draw. We are at 6 right now...
49 replies
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Parable (100 D)
14 Oct 10 UTC
Chat boxes
Can someone with this site please fix the chat boxes in the games? They constantly freeze. It takes me like 5 minutes and 5 re-loads just to type a simple sentence. Very discouraging for new players trying to enjoy this site.
9 replies
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FatherSnitch (476 D(B))
14 Oct 10 UTC
Mornington Crescent
Anyone fancy a game of Mornington Crescent? I propose the Simplified Version (Stovold’s Defence is still allowable during Forward Triangulation, but Back Doubling may only be attempted after a Northern Approach). Mainline stations are wild.

I'll start conservatively with: Tottenham Court Road.
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