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kLepTo (639 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Live gunboat in 30 minutes!
Live gunboat , anyone?

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30336
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killer135 (100 D)
30 May 10 UTC
live game
there is a game in an hour. its 15/phase. wanna join
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Perry6006 (5409 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Lets play a low-bet livegame!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30332
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S.E. Peterson (100 D)
30 May 10 UTC
WTA Live Gunboat in 1 hour (25 pts)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30331
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 10 UTC
Live game, fun for everyone!
[gameID=30323] Bet=10 Phase=10min
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rlumley (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
Lost
So I just started watching Lost. I'm watching them all online on Hulu. So far I'm only through season one, so please no spoilers. What I don't get, is what is the big deal? Why is everyone SO obsessed? Yeah, it's a good show. Perhaps one of the better ones. Among the shows I watch, I'd consider it average to above average, so what is it that makes people so interested?
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Thiras (100 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Java memory problem
Hi. The java.exe using at least 250 MB mem while using that web site. Anyone stricken that? Is there a solution?

Thanks.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 10 UTC
There are 109 of you online and 2 of you can't join gameID=30323 in 5 min?
Come on
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
30 May 10 UTC
Turkey needed in Gunboat
Still has original SCs and in no immediate danger.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=29770#gamePanel
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 May 10 UTC
Who wants a live game beginning at around 3-4pm EDT?
Express interest inside. You can make it if you want, just leave a space for me when I get back!
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terry32smith (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
We need only 2! Live Classic battle!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30319
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terry32smith (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
Live Classic game - 5 min phase = starting @ 12:25pm. PST!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30319
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terry32smith (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
brasidas come back don't run away!
COWARD!
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terry32smith (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
Live - WE NEED YOU only 2 more!!! 4 min!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30316
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jcbryan97 (134 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Live Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30315
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BenGuin (248 D)
30 May 10 UTC
LIVE GAME TOMORROW
anyone interested for a live game tomorrow in the memories of Memorial Day?
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MrFabulous (100 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Ronnie James Dio Memorial - Need players
Turkey and France were banned from our game for some unknown reason so we need two players to step in. Both countries are in good shape, France has 6 SCs and Turkey has 4. Please help out in honor of the greatest singer in heavy metal history.

ttp://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=29486#gamePanel
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oyenegra (100 D)
29 May 10 UTC
Which country in the World Map variant is the best?
So I’m a big fan of the World Map variation, and a while back I took statistics on past games to see which countries are good to play and which aren’t.
oyenegra (100 D)
29 May 10 UTC
I had decided to research all games that were in Autumn 2009 and later. There were only fourteen (14) games in the sample (only about three that had finished), so it wasn’t a very reliable study. You can see it here: http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=545607 There seemed to be a few countries that did significantly well, but overall it would be better to have a larger sample size. It was also unreliable because some of the games I looked at had some players who didn’t put in their orders.

So I came back about three months later and tried again. This time I again researched all games in autumn 2009 and later, but this time excluding any games that had more than one player who did not enter orders in the game. This time I had a much larger sample of fifty (50) games, thirty two (32) of which were finished or drawn.

I took down all the same statistics and organized them here. The first statistic I took was adding up how many times each country was one of the top five countries in terms of SCs. (If there were only four countries or fewer remaining, I only counted that many). These were the results:

(22) – Kenya

(17) – Brazil
(17) – Europe
(17) – Pacific-Russia

(15) – Near East
(15) – Frozen-Antarctica
(15) – Oz

(14) – Argentina
(14) – India

(13) – Russia
(13) – Western-Canada
(13) – Ghana

(10) – China (seven first’s)
(10) – Quebec

(8) – USA

(6) – Libya

(5) – South Africa

Hypothetically, if each country had an equal chance of winning, then the average number of times they would be in the top five would be fifteen (15) times.

Next, I decided to give values to these numbers. So every time a country was in first, I would give them five poinst. If they were in second, I’d give them four. Third, three. Fourth, two. And fifth, one point. This is how it ended up:

(86) – Kenya

(60) – Pacific-Russia

(58) – Europe

(52) – Oz

(47) – Brazil

(46) – Frozen-Antarctica

(45) – Argentina
(45) – India

(42) – China
(42) – Ghana

(41) – Near East

(40) – Western-Canada

(33) – Russia

(32) – Quebec

(30) – USA

(18) – South Africa

(16) – Libya

If each country had an equal chance of winning, then the average number of poinst would be forty-five (45).

Finally, I decided to add the total percentages of SCs each country had (again, I only the top five countries.) For example, if in one game Europe had 18.5% of the SCs, I would add 0.185 to Europe. If the second game he had 24.4%, I would add 0.244, for a total of 0.429, and so on. Here are the results of this:

(5.395) – Kenya

(3.801) – Europe

(3.710) – Pacific-Russia

(3.487) – Frozen-Antarctica

(3.175) – Oz

(3.035) – Brazil

(2.955) – India

(2.860) – Western-Canada

(2.858) – China

(2.816) – Argentina

(2.687) – Near East

(2.640) – Ghana

(2.185) – Russia

(2.068) – Quebec

(1.616) – USA

(1.104) – South Africa

(0.930) – Libya

There’s no specific average for this statistic.

So anyway, those were my final results. It was very interesting comparing them to my original study. The five best countries in my original study were: Kenya, Europe, China, Near East, and Brazil. In this study, Kenya and Europe were still in the top five, but the other three were Oz, F-Antarctica, and Pacific-Russia. In my original study, the five worst countries were: USA, Libya, South Africa, India, and Ghana. In this study, USA, Libya, and South Africa were again the worst, but the other two were Russia and Quebec. So the studies seemed to have some correlation but some countries surprised me.

As for the similarities in the studies, the biggest one was Kenya. In the original study, Kenya was a significant leader. In this study Kenya was even more ahead of all the other countries. In almost HALF of the fifty games, Kenya was in the top five. I analyzed this last time, and my conclusion was that Kenya just has very good position on the map. It borders four neutral territories. And its neighbors are South Africa and Libya, who are both weak countries. If Kenya can negotiate well, he can definitely become a powerhouse.

The other successful country (though not near as successful as Kenya) in both studies was Europe. I have a harder time understanding why Europe is so successful. The only neutral territory that he’s guaranteed is Great Britain. Otherwise he has Libya and Russia right on his tail. So that was interesting.

Libya, South Africa, and the USA were all countries that struggled in both studies. I don’t think any of these are a surprise. South Africa is the most retarded country, being split on two different continents, and neighboring the best country in the game. After gaining a couple neutral territories, it really has nowhere to go. I played South Africa once, and I actually ended up finishing in third, but it was only because Kenya was an inexperienced player, and I had a really strong alliance with Libya (the winner of that game).

USA is also a struggling country in this game. This is also no surprise since it has to deal with Canada and Quebec. Both of the neutral territories to the north are contested, and it’s squished right in the middle of four countries. I played USA once and failed miserably. I think I was out by 2004.

The final country that is pretty terrible in both studies is Libya. It is the only country that actually borders another. It is also surrounded by four fairly powerful countries. You definitely don’t want to be stuck as Libya.

The only big surprises for me between the two studies was Ghana and China. In my original study of fourteen games, Ghana was never once in the top five. But in this study Ghana ended up being in the middle of the pack. I think with Ghana, it depends on the situation. It’s pretty distant from other countries, but still close enough to do some damage if he’s teamed up with another country.

As for China, it was very successful in the first study. But it was only average in this one. However, even though China was in the top five only ten times in this study, it was in first place SEVEN times. I believe it had the second-most first place’s, behind Kenya. In the percentages, China had a higher sum then countries like Argentina and Near East who had fourteen and fifteen top five’s, respectively. China looks like another situational country. If it can make good decisions early, it can be incredibly successful.

So yeah, that was my study. I know it was long and involved, but hopefully it was useful/helpful to those of you interested. Please respond if you have any thoughts!
Aleowk (446 D)
29 May 10 UTC
Wow, thanks for the big effort! Actually, I have never played this variant yet, but I might give it a try in the future. Anyway, I read your work and I wanted to congratulate you for it.
oyenegra (100 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Thank you very much. I enjoyed doing it.
podium (498 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Never played world map.But thanks for the insight.Good job.
airborne (154 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Just goes to show how much revision is needed
Chrispminis (916 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Nicely done. I find the way you added up the points for comparison a little strange, but they're still informative. I did some informal research into webdip's world games, and came with the strong impression that Kenya was way overpowered. As a result, in the GR world game, I spent a lot of time trying to garner support for an alliance against the very powerful Kenya/Ghana bloc emerging.

I'm surprised to see Oz and FA so high up there now. Makes my success with Oz less of an achievement. I certainly didn't think I was as bad off as South Africa or Libya, given the natural fleet dominance, but still, I thought my locale wasn't very good in terms of expansion prospects, given that any long term expansion must be supplied with convoys.
oyenegra (100 D)
30 May 10 UTC
@airborne
actually, i wouldn't say much revision is necessary at all. you look at the classic variation, and italy wins less than 10% of the time. it's up to the player to take the situation into his own hands and play a better game.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
y does everybody hate Italy?
I have won as Italy twice, and never as Austria, yet I have played Austria 4 extra times. Austria is the worst country in the game, as they are the center of the map, Italy is the second hardest.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
also if I ever did this statistic all I would do is add up the total amount of sc the country has at the end of the game, and divide it by # of games.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
Are you sure you got the filter good? I ask because I, as Brazil, just finished a great game as part of the draw in which China came in first, but I know for a fact we had at least two CDs in the game. I hope it wasn't included based on your filter.
airborne (154 D)
30 May 10 UTC
I believe a couple simple changes could be made with regrads to South Africa have Botswana become a home SC and Sanae IV neutral comes to my mind as sound. I had a list of ideas for changes somewhere...ah well not like I plan to play the map again
Kenya is strong because South Africa, with only two units on the African continent, begins utterly defenseless. Moreover, Libya is too occupied by its neighbors Ghana and Near-East to apply any pressure on Kenya. Therefore, Kenya is left free to focus all of its units southward during the first year, which is usually enough time to crush South Africa. Within another year, you have a power that has taken over the whole southern half of Africa without any contest—hardly a fair fight for any power that dares oppose it.

In my own world game (gameID=24261), I, playing as Ghana, was able to defeat Kenya only by organizing a giant coalition with Frozen-Antarctica, Near-East, and Oz; we surrounded Kenya with fleets and armies, but it would still have taken many more years had not the Kenyan quit the game.
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
Has there been one that didn't have a CD?
Thanks for oyenegra for that interesting analysis. I would just note that as someone who has played Pacific Russia, I think the data may overestimate the strength of its position. It is like Austria - if you survive the early years it can be very strong but surviving the early years is very difficult. If a review was to be done on the basis of countries eliminated I would expected Pacific Russia to be near the top of the list. I think China is another that might fit into this category.
rlumley (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
I'll agree with Druag: I find it hard to believe there were 50 without CD's. But I'll take you at your word.

Very interesting: Thanks for doing this. You did a good job.

I object to your use of the Borda Count, since it's a voting system that I absolutely hate, but it's certainly valid. :-)
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
30 May 10 UTC
I don't think that he can have used a filter on this, I count about 50 finished world variant games.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
30 May 10 UTC
hmmm... he's including games that aren't finished?
Draugnar (0 DX)
30 May 10 UTC
Yes, he included unfinished past 09. But, unless he has unprecedented access to the data or he data mined the HTML calls looking at the history of moves, how can he be certain he didn't get CDs that were immediately picked up.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
30 May 10 UTC
dunno, I doubt that he can have.


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Perry6006 (5409 D)
30 May 10 UTC
A 909WTA Game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30292

Join up for this one - it'll be fun!
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cujo8400 (300 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Live Game // DEFCON One
gameID=30289 // 15 D // PPSC // Anonymous
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largeham (149 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Prince of Persia movie
It is a video game movie, but it looks good (but so did Doom). Should I watch it or not?
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doofman (201 D)
30 May 10 UTC
live gunboat half hour
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30274
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Mafialligator (239 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Ancient Med Gunboat
Ancient med sorta gunboat game (only public chat) starting in half an hour. gameID=30285
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Zachattack413 (1231 D)
30 May 10 UTC
live game in 30
Quicksilver. Game id 30279.
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moses (124 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Non-G-Boat Live Game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30272
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doofman (201 D)
30 May 10 UTC
live gunboat in 30mins
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=30271
11 bet
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The Czech (40398 D(S))
30 May 10 UTC
Live gunboat in 28 minutes
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Actaeon (100 D)
30 May 10 UTC
New Live Gunboat
Bet of 13, PPSC. 5 min/ phase. gameID=30269
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Sephiran (100 D)
30 May 10 UTC
Speed Round!
Starts in 30 minutes need 4 more. Standard map, 5 minute moves. Join fast!
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JECE (1248 D)
15 May 10 UTC
Reply to "Saint Pierre and Miquelon - A little bit off France, right off Newfoundland"
(threadID=571446)
The idea that the France is a "militarily weak country" is absurd. Start off reading this: http://www.cracked.com/article_18409_the-5-most-statistically-full-shit-national-stereotypes.html. And then contemplate the striking neo-colonialism France practices in Africa.
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