errr... what I posted was a joke...

I am with mapleleaf... I never stab.

Wait, there's something wrong with that kind of wetwork? If you're playuing someone that mentally malleable, I say go for it.

@Babak: Wow... I can imagine what my text to making them feel guilty would be...

"Hey! It is your fault! You threatened me by putting all your units on the complete other side of my nation leaving your rear flank open! It was too desirable not to take!"

depth charge

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Hey jasoncollins! You have replaced a certain Luke as HyperFag! Just so you know.

joda - you are way out of line man... this is like the 3rd random inane comment i've seen from you and I think you should know that your childish comments are not appreciated here...

I feel less guilt with an early stab (in the first couple of years) than I do if it's a stab of a long term ally. There has been less commitment to the 'relationship'.

Convincing someone to move away so you can walk in is one of the most satisfying feelings there is in a diplomacy game..

And I can vouch for Babak's style - I've been on the receiving end, but it doesn't always work....

@ jodabomb - thanks mate, so charming (that's called sarcasm - do you know that word?).

Jodabomb seems to think that anyone who attacks him is a fag.

I never feel guilty when I stab. After all, stabbing is part of the game. Though I don't stab much...

To plagiarize:
If you don't feel guilty you have no heart, if you can't do it you have no brains (or this is simply not your game).

Hey, everyone who claimed they have never stabbed better have a zero% win =)
Because you simply can't win without stabbing.

@idealist: Well it depends on the definition of "stab". Russia can win the juggernaut without ever attacking Turkey because Germany is so centre rich and easy to attack. Does winning by this method count as a "stab" or not?

idealist - are you accusing me of lying... because thats another thing I never do... I NEVER lie.

@ Babak - out of curosity, are you joking? I've thought about this often enough - I hate lying (though I do lie in real life, but im working to not lie) - but I lie freely and without guilt in diplomacy, as someone playing the game is completely aware that everything said is not necessarily true/is a statement specifically meant to garner a particular response. I think it is abit hypocritical when I see gamers who say 'but I didn't lie - see, I actually said this, which implies a particular thing, but if you read it this way, you can tell im not actually lying...' etc. Misleading is obviously a huge part of the game! And if people really see that as being dishonest, then they shouldn't probably be playing.. Perhaps you can view it (or I view it) that prior to every statement there should be a general acknowledgement that 'this may or may not be true - it is simply here to attempt to get you to do a specific action, as everyones posts here are'.

Wow, a long post! But just a summary of what I think :)

And nothing against you at all Babak - I just wonder why people play it but justify that they don't actually lie.

I think Babak was joking no?

i lie for good purpose, usually. but i hate lying. because when you lie, you have to continue to lie...and it takes a lot of improvisations.

I feel most guilty of stabbing new players (not that I'm Mr. Expert or anything), but folks who just started playing and are having fun, and all of a sudden their ally annihilates them. There's always this message of disbelief from them which makes me feel guilty. I've found that the more experienced players will respond with muffled respect, as that's part of the game.

I never do.. In too many games I have hummed and ha'ed and given the benefit of the doubt to my partner who has then stabbed me two moves later... Get them while you can I say!

hmm...i hate it when you are forced to stab the same person twice in two different games, and when you play him again, he naturally assumes that you are stabbing him.

ahh! every game is different

tsk tsk tsk... I cant believe I'm playing with a pack of rabid lying stabbers... what a community we have!

shame I say... shame!!!

I'm a rabid lying stabber! *Raises hand*

even though people often deny it pretty much everyone feels bad when the stab an ally usually stabbing is primarily within the first 2 and last 2 years of a game when alliances are not yet put in place and when people need 1 or 2 more supply centers to win