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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
19 Aug 08 UTC
Need a sitter...urgent!
I need a sitter urgent...starting from the 25th to the 30th.
Please reply below, with complete email info.
Best to be a reputed player, and willing to spend lots of time in this.
I've unfortunately got many games running at the moment.
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DNA117 (1535 D)
22 Aug 08 UTC
New way of communicating
Who would be interested in using Skype in games for communicating with each other?
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monomorphism (100 D)
22 Aug 08 UTC
How you do propose a draw?
I believe the game "Free Conquest" is drawn, as Turkey controls 17, but the other players have set up a stalemate line.

How can we propose/vote on this?
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Alan3 (1097 D)
21 Aug 08 UTC
Please draw the game Bah
Link: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4755&msgCountry=Global

Russia is requesting the draw.
Turkey & Germany will agree below
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arthurmklo (879 D)
22 Aug 08 UTC
not finalizing a crime?
in the game "()" (http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4635)
France is saying that me (Turkey) is not finalizing because im losing and trying to drag the game on, and that I need to show some sportsmanship. Now since that I didnt finalize, he is not taking the win until im dead

(details within)
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richo (100 D)
21 Aug 08 UTC
Points per supply centre
Is there any other split of points available? Like winner takes all or second gets their bet back?
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Saad (100 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Two accounts
Well I told my brother about phpDiplomacy, and he's joined it. But would this be counted as multi-accounting since we have the same IP, I'm also in the same game as him so would this account to multi-accounts?
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
21 Aug 08 UTC
Moscow Mule 3 Super Fast Game
Takes less time to play than it took to secure South Ossetia from the Georgians :)

Sign up if you dare!
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amathur2k (100 D)
21 Aug 08 UTC
question regarding convoy rules
Hi if a fleet convoying an army with support from x units (other than the one being convoyed) is attacked by x enemy units, the convoy should still go through right ?
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vasvla (1220 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Draw request
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5035

I'm England. Russia, France and Italy agreed on global, so they should write here about that, too.
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Oxim (280 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Support move question
Given the following situation:
Eng S Bre
Bre S Pic - Par
Pic - Par
(Enemy) Gas - Bre

Does this cut the support from Brest?
Can you cut any support moves regardless of the number of support holds this unit gets?

I just had this situation in the game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4720
and I actually expected to get Paris.
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Russiprocal (100 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
A sorta high-point game.
The additive russiprocal. Cause I'm so clever. I believe it's a 102-pt game. Come join!
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Talus Proteus (1961 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Frustrated Pre-game phase
What happens if the time limit for your Pre-Game phase expires and not enough people have joined? Does the game still start with less people and give others the option of bidding to enter? Or does it wait for more players?
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flashman (2274 D(G))
17 Aug 08 UTC
Canute et al...
Anyone spotted his new accounts yet?

My experience as a mod elsewhere says he'll be back asap and messing up games.
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El_Perro_Artero (707 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Experienced Game
This is a game for players who have played 15 or more games on this site.
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valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Strange Posts
in the following game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4677

I took over Germany and when looking through the conversation with england there was never any asking for an alliance, no actual conversation. They merely state their orders. Is this usual?
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
I am unable to see the conversation from 1901 so i may be completely misunderstanding the situation, it just seems weird
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
perhaps everything was done in the year 1901, so all the alliance making, deals, and conversation was accomplished there and i just cant see it
dangermouse (5551 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
At best it sure sounds like two friends with an unbreakable alliance.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
19 Aug 08 UTC
you can only see the last 20 messages. that's merely one or two seasons
Iidhaegn (111 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
it may be that the players are discussing their moves outside of phpDip. Using messenger or e-mail or something to that effect...
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
no, the posts stretch from Autumn 1902 to 1911
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Autumn 1902 (England): Belgica soporta a Ruhr en Borgoña y Dinamarca pasa a Suecia
Autumn 1903(Germany): The fleet at Denmark support move to Sweden from Norway.
Spring 1905(England): The fleet at Irish Sea move to Mid-Atlantic Ocean .
The army at London move to Belgium via convoy via convoy.
The fleet at Norwegian Sea move to North Atlantic Ocean .
The fleet at North Sea convoy from London to Belgium.
The army at Holland support move to Belgium from London.
The fleet at Norway move to St. Petersburg (North Coast)
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Spring 1905(germany): The army at Ruhr support move to Belgium from London.
The army at Warsaw support move to Galicia from Bohemia.
The army at Livonia move to St. Petersburg .
The army at Bohemia move to Galicia .
The army at Munich move to Burgundy .
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Spring 1905(germany): The army at Livonia move to St. Petersburg !!!!!!!.

Autumn 1905(germany): The army at Ruhr move to Munich .
The army at Warsaw move to Moscow .
The army at Livonia support move to St. Petersburg from Norway.
The army at Galicia move to Vienna .
The army at Kiel support move to Munich from Ruhr.

Spring 1906(germany): Needing Norway's support:
The army at Livonia move to St. Petersburg
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Autumn 1907(germany): The army at Munich move to Burgundy .
The army at Silesia move to Galicia .
The army at Moscow support hold at Warsaw.
The army at St. Petersburg support hold at Moscow.
The army at Warsaw support move to Galicia from Silesia.
The army at Kiel move to Munich .
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Spring 1908(germany): The army at Berlin move to Silesia .
The army at Burgundy move to Paris .
The army at Galicia support move to Ukraine from Moscow.
The army at Moscow move to Ukraine .
The army at St. Petersburg move to Moscow .
The army at Warsaw support hold at Galicia.
The army at Munich hold.
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Autumn 1908(germany): The army at Silesia support move to Galicia from Warsaw.
The army at Paris support move to Brest from Wales.
The army at Galicia move to Rumania .
The army at Ukraine move to Sevastopol .
The army at Moscow support move to Sevastopol from Ukraine.
The army at Warsaw move to Galicia .
The army at Munich hold.
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Autumn 1908(england): The fleet at Clyde move to North Atlantic Ocean .
The army at Wales move to Brest via convoy via convoy.
The fleet at Irish Sea hold.
The fleet at English Channel convoy from Wales to Brest.
The fleet at Western Mediterranean move to Tunis .
The army at Picardy support move to Brest from Wales.
The fleet at Gulf of Lyons move to Piedmont .
The army at Belgium hold.
The fleet at Mid-Atlantic Ocean move to North Africa
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Spring 1911(england): The fleet at North Atlantic Ocean move to Mid-Atlantic Ocean .
The fleet at Irish Sea hold.
The army at Gascony hold.
The fleet at Mid-Atlantic Ocean move to North Africa .
The army at Piedmont support move to Venice from Tuscany.
The fleet at Western Mediterranean support move to Tyrrhenian Sea from Gulf of Lyons.
The fleet at English Channel hold.
The fleet at Spain (South Coast) support hold at Western Mediterranean.
The army at Marseilles support hold at Piedmont.
The fleet at Gulf of Lyons move to Tyrrhenian Sea .
The army at Belgium hold.
flashman (2274 D(G))
19 Aug 08 UTC
Is that a pair of robots playing?
El_Perro_Artero (707 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
as long as it can be verified that the two aren't meta-gaming/multi-accounting, I don't see the problem here. It's a very odd strategy, of course, but I'd say it's legit.
flashman (2274 D(G))
19 Aug 08 UTC
No discussion, no comment, no suggestions for alternatives, no cursing wrong choices etc...

It reads as a very sterile form of communication.
PirateJack (400 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
I like how both of them missed a turn last season.
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
I never said they were multi/meta-gamers. I just had never seen this before and since I'm relatively new I didnt know if this was common or not
dangermouse (5551 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
It's certainly not common whatever the reason.
Hyperactive Jam (299 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
England/German alliance with absolutely no conflict of interest?

Bullshit.
MajorTom (4417 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
mabey one player is credible, but both...

it's just metagaming with the minimum level of (incompetent) insurance, imo
DaveMorano (560 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
This is clearly metagaming. The user cheating wants to circumvent detection of multiaccounting by simultaneous login time. So he send himself the orders
and login in as the other player hours later. So that the other player can remember what he did before. Rait has told me he practice this technique quite frequently with his other accounts.
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
He claims it was his friend? And Rait cheats? I just thought he was exceptionally amazing, or maybe im misunderstanding what you mean
valoishapsburg (314 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
*England claims germany was his friend
DaveMorano (560 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Yes, Rait definitely cheats. Compounded with good skills, and being an
opportunists results in high scores.

This site is full of cheaters and liars....it's in the spirit of the
game. I wouldn't take actually high scores here to be any indicator of
actual diplomacy skills.
DaveMorano (560 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
I would say: "his friend/brother" is almost synonymous with "himself". A Diplomacy game where two or more players play without a sense of "I want to win for myself" is in many ways unfair and should be considered cheating. If they were friends, the fair thing to do is to announce it at the beginning of the game in Global chat... so everyone knows and everyone can account for potential alliances.
DaveMorano (560 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
If I were you, I would email kestas immediately and see whether we can purge
this site of more of these multi-gamers. (I would be interested in seeing
who's Rait's multi-gaming accounts were.)
flashman (2274 D(G))
20 Aug 08 UTC
I do not believe that Rait does as described above.

Quite simply, I do not believe he needs to. I have played with him enough to see a variety of tactics and strategies and I found that impressive. This summer he came over to the UK (and MarekP) to play face-to-face with me and they were both the real deal. As Rait is the one being named here, I will concentrate on him and say that he displayed the extra qualities that make for a great face-to-face player as well, namely speed and the ability to adapt to rapidly changing circumstances. He was actually multi-tasking for most of the time were were talking and writing...

He was making some excellent food and drinks Estonian style for us to sample and loading all the moves onto a lap-top. He ended the game in the strongest position (soon to be resumed on-line).
valoishapsburg (314 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
well, i didnt think rait did, (and thats not what this post is about) but i read somewhere on another post that he also anlari. no idea if thats true, and im not saying it is. Besides, im sure he beat me 1000 times over
flashman (2274 D(G))
20 Aug 08 UTC
He is not anlari. A former player used to call him anlari's brother but they are not related. anlari is from Cyprus, Rait is from Estonia. They are both very good at this game. Neither cheat as far as I'm concerned.

I know the thread is not about this but it was hijacked and I believe that just as we should expose cheats, we should also challenge misinformation.
valoishapsburg (314 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
i never said he cheated. I asked a question because of what DaveMorano said
flashman (2274 D(G))
20 Aug 08 UTC
I know, but Dave made a blatant accusation and I did not want to leave it unchallenged.

Rait is also the php Elk Sausage Champion by the way...
Rait (10151 D(S))
20 Aug 08 UTC
As DaveMoron clearly makes things up (about what 'I have told him'), I suppose that Dave is simply somewhat pissed at me due to this game - http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4741

I took Turkey from CD & outflanked Austria (Dave) in attempt to grab my SC. We reached to consensus about cooperation against French who were in much stronger position at that time. After my many posts, Austria was pretty silent & dry-tongued, so I decided to stab Austria and end this game (there was no point to continue with 2 inactive players). So I suppose these are simply bitter grapes...

It's worthwhile noting that French were strangely inactive though (thus might have given some ground for accusations), although responding some of my correspondence. As this is the only game (out of the 100 games I have played) where I have been together with Dave, the accusations can be easily disproved (by checking my correspondence with both of the players). So please, Dave, stop throwing empty accusations.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
20 Aug 08 UTC
that is a really nice story flashman! who would have thought that players from this site would meet IRL and play face to face. still, we can't be sure that Rait & anlari are different persons just based on Rait being such a great guy :-)
flashman (2274 D(G))
20 Aug 08 UTC
Thanks...

Actually though, we tried to get anlari to play in the same game. We had originally chosen Cambridge as anlari was studying there, cg white was a grad and had contacts, I lived nearbyish (when visiting my parents) etc... The game moved to my own little town when we couldn't find a suitable place to play and anlari, after a couple of weeks trying to find him, turned up in Cyprus with his own folks awaiting exam results. He'd been travelling and out of contact.

I am looking forward to more games like that. We ran out of time and that was something that needs to be addressed for the future, but I would travel just about anywhere for a game in such illustrious company.

We will supply a report soon when pick up the game on-line to finish it. You will see the great man make a mistake with his very first orders, the exact mistake I used as an example in the pre-game introduction. He still survived it and is now in a very strong position. My only claims to fame so far are that:
a) I am in a decent position as Austria, and
b) I stabbed Marek and lived to tell the tale.

I know he will be gunning for me from now on though...
dangermouse (5551 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Well, now that Rait has defended himself I think it's time to hijack this thread again for another baseless accusation.

Dangermouse cheats. It's plain and simple. He's told me himself that he created and maintains nearly 20 different accounts to help himself win. Two of his other accounts are definitely Rait and MarekP. I'm not sure how he managed to get two of his junk accounts more points than his main one; but he did. It's just more proof that he's a real screw-up.
valoishapsburg (314 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
well, glad this discussion is going so well for everybody. Did i mention im actually anlari? thats why i keep an account where ive played about 6 games. teach those new kids what for.

anyway, I still think this is very strange and agree the term brother/friend probably means an alternate personality (perhaps multi-accounts are in need of therapy)
DaveMorano (560 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
I would advocate that multi-gamers start using other euphemisms
like "gay lover", "cell mate", "friend with benefits" etc in lieu of brother
/ friend just to keep interesting. Yes I am talking about you Rait et al
dangermouse (5551 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Who is Rait-et-al? We've had copycat names before: Mapleleaf and Mapleleafrulz for example. It's not really apprecitiated. So if obvious multi-accounting bogus Rait et al account would cease and desist it would be appreciated.
Feckless Clod (777 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
I'm actually the only person to have posted in this thread so far....
dangermouse (5551 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
You and me both Feck.


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hermanobrown (925 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Time between the turns
I have one doubt. I am in several games where the phase is 24h, but sometimes the turn ends before the time. Ok, I´ve posted my orders, but how does it work?
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fidel (886 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Retreats and build phases count for going CD?
How long does it take to go CD?

I am playing a game (http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5064) where France didn't play for 3 days now (he didn't answer any messages either) , but he has not go CD yet, so there is no opportunity for other people to take it (he still has 5 sc's, and could have 6 or 7 had he played).
The phases of these 3 days were Autumn, Retreats and Builds 1904 phases. He has been attacked and has lost a sc, but as he has not retreated, he has nothing to build and so he has the sign of "completed orders" from scratch on that phase.

As in that game England was CD almost from scratch, Germany has all the opportunities to grow, and so, I was forced to move into him too early, which is not so good strategically.

I wonder if retreats and builds count for going CD, and if they do, what happens if the country have no orders to enter. I suggest that even when there are no orders to enter, the player should say "Ok" or something, so he can be counted as a step to go CD if he doesn't.

What do you say?
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Iidhaegn (111 D)
18 Aug 08 UTC
Obligations of the Player
Recently I've noticed this trend in the forums where I suppose there was some discussion earlier where a majority (or a distinct camp at least) was formed under the agreement that "if a player has an opportunity to undoubtedly win a game, s/he must do so." Please discuss.
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DeliciousWolf (112 D)
15 Aug 08 UTC
No Fleet Builds 2 - Needs More Players!
With just 7 hours to go the newest variant of No Fleet Builds has just two players - please check your messages for your invite and password!
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cteno4 (100 D)
20 Aug 08 UTC
Convoys involving the Black Sea
I've noticed that the Black Sea has some strange convoy options, particularly when convoying from Bulgaria. It says that I could conceivably convoy an army from Bulgaria to Greece or Smyrna when there is a fleet in the Aegean Sea; when there is also a fleet in the Ionian it presents the options of Albania, Apulia, Naples, and Tunis.

While those other fleets could legally perform the convoy, they should not appear on the list of possible convoy destinations for the Black Sea fleet.

This bizarre property of convoys involving the Black Sea fleet seems to only apply when the convoy is initiated out of Constantinople or Bulgaria; convoys starting from elsewhere along the Black Sea coast are only shown as convoyable to other territories along the Black Sea.

Is there some way this glitch could be fixed? I imagine a similarly confusing situation exists in the Heligoland Bight-North Sea-Skagerrak-Sweden-Baltic Sea-Denmark region as well as perhaps aroung Saint Petersburg with its two coastlines.
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cteno4 (100 D)
12 Aug 08 UTC
Multi-Accounting accusation
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5053
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5041

I accuse Tohr and GrandeBiller of multi-accounting, and suspect that the other five players in both of these games are also run by the same person. It seems that GrandeBiller has been creating games (and players) to give his account a higher win rate, to win points, and to screw with other games.

The two players are now together in nine games, seven of which are still going and some of which are with legitimate other players.

Can we ban these accounts and restart some of the games they are in? It's a real bother to deal with cheaters in a Diplomacy game, particularly when they are assigned neighboring countries as they are in http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5115 (France/Germany). If you're in another affected game, go ahead and post to reply with YOUR thoughts.

It's further suspicious when in that last-mentioned game the two players are the only two to have finalized orders, and they both did it within minutes of each other. Currently no player on the board has had any communication with them (except for possibly them with each other).
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daggertail88 (332 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
possible multi-account/metagaming?
this game makes no sense
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5011
i took over a CD england in spring of 1904. i am able to make a move or two without anything happening. after I take some centers from russia, russia, turkey, and italy all ally against me. Turkey is clearly able to take numerous amounts of supply centers from either one, but he is just moving around them to get at me. and i was nowhere near harming turkey or winning the game. Anyone's opinion?
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Caddy (100 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Is this a bug ??
Why does Germany have 4 Armies on the board ??? They only have 3 supply centers.
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warsprite (152 D)
18 Aug 08 UTC
Why do people muti-account?
What is the point? If you have to win by cheating you must be a very bad player. I've seen players like this when playing face to face games, they are like little kids that cannot stand to lose. Why even play if you cannot stomic to lose.
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ldrut (674 D)
18 Aug 08 UTC
Question on retreats
Dumb question time

When a unit is forced to retreat is "Disband" always an available option? The rules seem to suggest that it should not be. I need to know for one of my games and I have no idea since, as far as I recall, every retreat I have had on this site has also been a forced disband.
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
13 Aug 08 UTC
Update on Leagues
An update on the happenings in the Grand flashy & Chrispee diplomacy leagues is below
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laurence208y (3405 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Draw request for 12 hr/term game
Me and Turkey at 17 supplies each
turkey will post below
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4808
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Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
DRAW REQUEST for NFL Fans
Hello Kestas,

please, can you draw the game "NFL Fans" - http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4874

After a long and tiresome fight, and an even longer and public discussion :), we've agreed to a spectacular 5-way draw :)
The other players will confirm shotly.

Thank you.
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Uncle Willy (221 D)
19 Aug 08 UTC
Will someone please take over this CD France??
Myself (England) and Russia have been battling against France and Italy for most of the game. Now, after we have made some advances, France has went CD and Italy is just going to end the game by taking France's SCs. Can someone please join this game to prevent Italy from winning? I will move out of Brest and enter in an alliance with the new France against Italy.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4887
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