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abab (1312 D)
15 Nov 07 UTC
convoys and retreats
Quick question on this implementation of Diplomacy.
I remember a fleet that is forced to retreat cannot convoy an army anywhere. So, convoy orders get nullified in case the would-be convoying fleet has to retreat.
Is this rule implemented this way in phpDiplomacy?
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Otto Von Bismark (653 D)
14 Nov 07 UTC
Tournament Question
Kestas is there any way the winners of the Diplomacy tournament be awarded points for the position they finish in the tournament. Lets say 2000 points to the winner and 1000 points for second place etc. If those point values are too high I understand, but if something like that is possible, I think it would make the tournament much more worth while.
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rtcdvm (565 D)
14 Nov 07 UTC
RTC - Everything you will ever want to know.
It seems that most people understand what is going on with the "rtc" accounts. But, there are skeptics out there, and I can't blame people for feeling like something shady is going on. Here is everything a person would ever need to know.

1.) I am Doyle McClellan, director of the Information Technology program at Rolla Technical Center. I first played Diplomacy in the 1980s and have long seen the benefits of incorporating it into the program.

2.) This is for the Negotiation Strategies & Techniques segment of the IT program. It is taught because information technology professionals often find themselves thrown into the middle of organizational rivalries where they must find a way to survive and become productive.

3.) We use the book, "The Mind and Heart of the Negotiator" for a text. The game makes a great companion to the coursework. It gives us plenty of common experiences to draw from. For example, I can tell people about "linkage effects" (the effects that one negotiated agreement can have on future negotiations). But, it means a lot more when we can discuss how Player-A was treated by Player-B after what he did in the last game.

4.) We have used multiple copies of the board game for years. This year, there are most students than normal, and they come at different times of day. The result is that we have to constantly reset the board, and it takes too much time. For the last few weeks, we have experimented with various computer-based solutions. But, we use both Windows and Linux machines, meaning it is easier to use a Web-based solution. Jdip didn't seem to do the trick, and I was very pleased to stumble across this site.

5.) While the department has both high school and adult students, all of these participants are in High School, 10th to 12th grades. As a result, I am bound to protect their privacy. That is one of the reasons for the "rtc..." naming convention. The other reason is to minimize confusion and make it easier for people to avoid the students if they desire. That is also why the "official" class games are locked. I didn't want anybody to accidentally stumble into one of our games and for the class to gang up for fun. I also didn't want to allow outsiders to participate in the games and potentially introduce inappropriate topics.

6.) I wouldn't be surprised to learn that several students become avid Diplomacy players. Some clearly have already. Hopefully, you will welcome the new blood into the community.

7.) I can't guarantee nobody will do anything bad. In any group of 30 new users, there will potentially be a percentage that don't respect the other members of the community. We discuss this in class, and I hope they all choose to act appropriately (those "linkage effects" again).

8.) Somebody made a suggestion that I should discuss the benefits of using Diplomacy in the negotiation class. The game is very helpful, as long as it is tied to curriculum that makes connections to what people experience. I actually prefer the board game, because it encourages far more discussion, body language, etc. But, the computer version is much easier to use (nobody messes with the board). Also, people don't take it as personally when we use the computer. In previous years, using the boards, some people in each class have taken things far to personally, and it has affected relationships.

9.) Several extra accounts were created. When people first signed up, they didn't realize how the point system worked. As a result, several accidentally set up high point value games and used up all of their points before we started the official games. Also, a number of extra games were created. This was caused when people jumped into the wrong games and then displaced others were supposed to be in them. Chalk it up as over-zealousness, combined with ignorance (a bad combination anywhere). In the end, it all worked out.

10.) Please, don't spam me. I am easy enough to find on the Web. If you are skeptical about the story, it is easy enough to check me and the program out.

Thanks,
Doyle
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Epaminondas (763 D)
15 Nov 07 UTC
Aurea mediocritas
Greetings to everybody. Sorry for my english.
Problem : when someone is famous ( top 10 players for example), he/she will have in almost every game one ( or more ) opponent who will try to nail its hide on the wall, if only to be able to say : " I killed Jesse James, so I'm someone too. "
How do you cope with this ?
On some diplomacy sites, you can play 'gunboat' style games, which means, names are unknown. You can of course recognize someone by his writing, the use of some typical words, you have to guess.
I wouldn't dare to ask that this feature be implemented, I would rather know if there are 'psychological' tricks to avoid being in the line of sight of people looking out for trophies.
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Splingy (75 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
Rctpmuser7(and all the other ones)
This guy is a serious multi-accounter-don't play him unless you want to lose you points. Just look at his profile. It's crazy!
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Budlight (201 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament 2007
Complain: how come there is two guys who steals my and another player's places? It is unfair for us!!!
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ummite (194 D)
15 Nov 07 UTC
GrosseKekette Spring 1916, Can we consider a draw?
It's 2 years now I think that nothing moves really, can we consider it a draw or not?
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Jabberwocky (135 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
I don't understand, North Sea move to Kiel in one move?
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1898
See. North Sea has appeared in Kiel in one move!!!
That is seriously harming me. (Germany)
How can this be, Kestas, please pause this game until this is resolved!!
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mightyrobot (202 D)
14 Nov 07 UTC
Game stuck in "due now" status
Request to have the game un-stuck:
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2151
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rtcgeneric1 (100 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
All of the RTC accounts
This is a negotiation class, and all are playing against each other. This isn't some kind of hack or cheat. It is a whole lot of people learning about the game and playing against each other. The "rtc" designation in games and usernames is made to prevent confusion.
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gonzo (128 D)
14 Nov 07 UTC
metagaming
i dont care if you want to play with yourself in private game to boost your self esteme. But just never play with yourself in public. besides if your like "(RTC) Lt. Crackers's" you will have a ton of games won and a shitload of points... but you wont know the first thing about the game. Cheating will get you disliked by all. and the points will be like an empty wall you can hang your trophys on there but you cant show them off. While I am ranting I just want to say sorry to those that i piss off with my negotiation tatics. I say some stupid stuff but I like the rush and I hope you do too. Eric
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Kawaii Kitsune (95 D)
14 Nov 07 UTC
Problems
Anyone having problems loading the games right now? I can't get into the game tab or click on the games whose moves are up.
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TOgilvie (845 D)
10 Nov 07 UTC
Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament 2007 part 2
Dear all, the entry is now closed for the tournament. I have calculated the seeds, and here are the seven first round games (see first comment)
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winner1 (154 D)
09 Nov 07 UTC
NEW GAME- WITH A DIFFERENCE- TEAM GAMES!!!!!!
Austro-Russian War is open to all on the condition that the Following be adhered to:

team A= Austria, Turkey, England
team B=Russia, Italy, France

and Germany is allowed to choose whichever side he/she wishes!!!!

AND NO CHANGE OF ALLIANCES TIL 1905
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diegohb (470 D)
14 Nov 07 UTC
100 points game
hello there. I just created a game called Tetraktys. Its a 100 points game. Feel free to join.
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sawellesley (70 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
new game
I've jjust put out a new game 12321. no password. pls join.
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skwirL (60 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
General Question
I just attempted to convoy an army from London to Belgium through the North Sea. I also attempted to support this move with my fleet in Holland. So I set the support order to support a move into Belgium and then noticed that I was only allowed to support a move from the North Sea (not from London). I assumed that, since the fleet in the North Sea is "giving its move" to the army that it is convoying, that this was the most logical order of the choices given. However the move failed because of a bounce and I also found this message: "Your fleet at Holland's move support wasn't accepted by the unit which support was being given to."

How do I support an army that is being convoyed?
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bc2000 (990 D)
12 Nov 07 UTC
GFDT Game 3: Looking for reserves
Game 3 is waiting 2 missing players: Gerrbil and Physics.

Game will start in 16 hours.

Please available reserves (not in other games of the Tournament) apply here with your mail.
4 hours from now I'll send you link and password to join the game.
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bc2000 (990 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
GFDT - Game 3: two players needed
Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament 2007 - Game 3 is still missing two players: Gerrbil and Physics (the designated ones) are disappeared.

Game will start in 11 hours and we are looking for some reserve to get into game (please only people not playing in other games of the tournament).

The game link is: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2154
The password is: toctoc
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Rait (10151 D(S))
12 Nov 07 UTC
game 'fast players only 4' hanging
in due now...
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Equinox (154 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
Finalizing Orders
What is the difference between Finalizing an order and updating it? If i just leave it updated to where i want to move, do i have to finalize it so it can be accepted? Or do i have to finalize the orders to make it happen? In other words, Can i not finalize my orders so that nobody knows i already made them but still make them by using update instead of finalize?
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pitirre (0 DX)
11 Nov 07 UTC
5 things you can do with your diplomacy board
i will LOVE to buy a diplomacy board but as much i would love to have one, it is just not practical. Right now i have difficulty to find a single go player in my community, imagine how difficult it will be to gather 7 diplomacy players!!

So, christmas is coming soon and i know the christians will like to give me a present to this humble atheist. If by any chance i get a diplomacy board, what kind of use i can give to it?
here is my top 5 things i can do with a diplomacy board;

5. for cutting vegetables.
4. as a living room decorative
3. to teach geography to my kids
2. to throw at the neighbor's dog who always take a dump at my front lawn.
...and the number use for a diplomacy board is...

1. to rub agaisnt my naked body in a sensual paraphilic way.

what is your top 5 useswith a diplomacy board?
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whoami (178 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
spot open in game two
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2149
password - second
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Mike18 (41 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
Game Godly2
This game is not refreshing, please help!!
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Locke (1846 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
Higher stakes game?
There are alot of low points games going on at the moment, anybody up for one with slightly higher stakes......250 say?
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Mike18 (41 D)
13 Nov 07 UTC
New Game
join godly2
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VeryCheesy (60 D)
12 Nov 07 UTC
New Game
I just made a Game, Join it!
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keeper0018 (100 D)
12 Nov 07 UTC
A "Some Pretty Wierd Stuff" Thread...
Hello all-

I am a little bored, and I have decided to start a thread about some unusual things in the diplomacy world. For example, where is the most unusual place that you have seen a unit of a particular country? (i.e.- English army in Smyrna, or Turkish fleet in St. Petersburg) If you dont like that, tell me if you have ever seen such a foolish move by a desperate country, that you had to chuckle to yourself about it. (You have 12 units, he has 2, and he still tries to go against you). If you dont like either of those, throw me a bone and tell me something!!! Geez... Happy thinking!

Nick
(keeper0018)
isbian (106 D)
12 Nov 07 UTC
I once saw a fleet in Bulgaria from Turkey. It moved from Constantinople to Ankara to Bulgaria in the first year.
Noodlebug (1812 D)
12 Nov 07 UTC
I don't believe you isbian!

As England I convoyed from St Petersburg to North Africa once, in an effort to create the largest possible green arrow. I saw someone else do Clyde to Syria. It's pretty easy with England though, I challenge someone to do that with Austria!
wawlam59 (0 DX)
12 Nov 07 UTC
Do you know Edi Birsan? The following is what he told me in an email: ------------exciting moves you want to share



"Convoying from Syria to StPete was a fad for a while in the early 70's postal games as a way to end a game. It was also done in several face to face games that I recall, though not in the current decade.


Have seen (done) recently 11 to 18 in a single move (WAC as Germany a few years ago), as well as 12 to 18 a couple of times. I thought I did a 10-18 in my youth but that could be wishful memories of the 60's. One of my goals is to do the perfect game of going from 9 to 18 in a single Fall move. Going over 18 is excessive for the most part and not something of value, though I heard once that Cooley arranged with a friend to end the game with 34 centers by going 17=17 for a long time till they could arrange a clean turn over of all the centers just to screw with a tournament scoring system.


Won a tournament in Boston in the early 70's on an unwanted convoy that switched Marseilles and Piedmont. Now an illegal move with the new 1999 Hasbro rule book.
Had an Italy at Dragonflight that actually did a Lepanto (first and only time ever I actually made it to Syria in 40 years of face to face tournament play, but that is another story) and the fleet Naples that wound up in the Eastern Medit eventually finished in Norway bouncing into Barents.


Lots of times had Turkish, Italian, Austrian units in EDInburgh but that is because it is a general game goal of mine when playing those countries.


Did a couple of strange alliances such as Austria-Turkey where Turkey builds only armies and Austria only builds fleets except for the first turn.


Won a game with a solo with 8 centers by convincing everyone that it was inevitable which it oddly enough really was.
Won a game with a concession in 1904. (the Immaculate concession)


Personal best of consecutive orders in a face to face tournament from the start without failing including not a single cut support or lost supply center: 67"
wawlam59 (0 DX)
12 Nov 07 UTC
This is the story of another player:

"The best long distance convoy in a game I was playing came when I was playing Russia in one of the Worldmasters Tournaments. I had gotten off to an extremely fast start (12 Supply Centers in 1903), and France, who had been my ally (played by Tim Richardson) decided to join a coalition against me. Most of his homeland had been taken by England, and he had five units (A Mar, F GoL, F TyS, F Ion, and F EMS). He decided to trust England, and convoyed A Mar-Syr. I am not surprised by a tactical move very often, but this one got me."
wawlam59 (0 DX)
12 Nov 07 UTC
Here is the last one I could share with you-----------------------------the experience of a friend-----------------------------------------------------

1)At a minor convention in Kalmar, Sweden
(CalCon) I soloed once playing Turkey (I think this was in
CalCon'95, but I'm not sure). The 18th centre was in fact StP,
taken through convoy from Syria. I could have ended the game
earlier, but since I knew I had the 18 centers secured already,
I decided to wait with the 17th and set up this monster convoy
instead. It should be noted that all the fleets used in the
convoy were my own, and I was already in control of Liverpool
and Edinburgh since I before had made another spectacular
convoy from Tunis to Liverpool. Needless to say, I had complete
sea dominance, so the opposition in this game was not the
toughest.

2) At the top board of the Swedish NDC in 2003 (or 2004?) I
was again playing Turkey. This time I was fought back hard and
was sitting tight with the "turkish box" until 1904 or 1905.
Italy was pressing hard with fleets in ION, AEG and Gre.
Suddenly France invaded Piedmont and Italy was in desperate
need of another army on the peninsula to cover Tus and Ven. I
suggested to Italy that he should convoy my army from Smyrna to
Tuscany. I have to admit I was very surprised to see the move
go through, but all of a sudden I had an army in Tuscany. Some
careful negotiation with France ensured that he'd support me
into Venice for the fall move and suddenly I had my fifth
center. I still feel almost a bit ashamed of this stab as it is
perhaps the most _evil_ one I've ever performed. The end result
of this game was that I finished 3rd on 7 centers (lost a tie-
breaker to Italy, who had also 7 centers but a better
qualification score).

3) At the WDC in Berlin 2006, I played Russia in one game. I
made a very unusual pact with Austria (Georg Kotchy), who
commited himself to our alliance by ordering Tri-Adr, Vie-Trl,
Bud-Tri in S1901. As you can see this ensures capture of Venice
and pisses Italy off. Meanwhile I made another strange
commitment with Germany (Edi Birsan) that I'd build no armies
whatsoever to keep him calm. By 1904 one of my fleets sailed
into Portugal (origined in StP) and the year after another
fleet sailed into Spain (south coast) - origined from
Sevastopol. It was a very unusual and a very fun game that
ended in a 3-way draw between AGR, where Austria came out on
top. I still believe I could have won a solo had I opted for it
in 1903-04 as I was sailing around the british isles, but I
took the decision to play "the fun way" instead very early on
and paid the price accordingly. I still could have won the
game, but foolishly turned down a draw offer in 1907 in order
to try for 'Best Russia' in the tournament. That gave AG a
chance to punish me, and so they did. Well played by Georg and
Edi, but I will forever remember this game for the first 4-5
years where this was a very unusual and interesting game, many
thanks to Georg who agreed to play this way.

Hope you'll enjoy this as much as I will enjoy reading your
stories (here or at another forum if Jeremie disapproves of
this usage)
-- D.
keeper0018 (100 D)
12 Nov 07 UTC
thanks for the posts, guys. it was all very interesting. please, keep them coming.


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bc2000 (990 D)
12 Nov 07 UTC
Attention players of tournament Game #3 (GFTD3)!
Please Gerrbil contact me: write to [email protected] or in the chat of a game in which we are together (i.e. Weak Sauce).
All other players had already got in touch with me.

Tomorrow (Monday) morning I will create the game and write to all players to give them link and password.

Please reserves not involved in other games of the Tournament write to [email protected] to let your e-mail, just in case Gerrbil shouldn't contact me tomorrow.

Thank you
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Karkand (2167 D)
12 Nov 07 UTC
Hmmm, can someone explain this to me?
In this current game, my fleet just got booted out of spain. Should it be able to retreat to western medi ?(no other units were there). Right not its only giving me the option to disband.....Thanks in advance.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1858
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