Krellin "There is no logical argument for making nudism normal ; that is why your examples fails." So my freedom of expression is limited by you because you disagree with how I want to express myself. Just because you disagree with the nudist movement doesn't make your argument ;logical' or their's illogical. But again you miss the point, either delibrately or not. One can argue what social norms should be and argue for or against any and/or all of them. Should smoking be allowed in bars, should people say nigger, should someone be allowed to drink drive or walk around in the nude? Should a parent smack their children in public? Your position on each of these is a side issue. The fact remains that if you know what the socail norms of the day are ad choose to disobey them, then you are likely to get called out. What surprises me is that this surprises you. I also see no future in fighting the nigger is just a word battle, there are surely better campaigns for you, that attract more people to your cause.

hecks - I don't know what the "it" was you were referring to in answering your questions - but noting said here will harm my relationship with you as it went down, and I never see educating yourself about others views as harmful (#4). I was benefited by what you said whether I agree with it or not - thus is the nature of intellectual discourse. Edison benefited from every failure...so should you.

maniac - I'm not going to waste my time with you discussing the merits of nudism. Go prance around naked it you want - I could really give a shit. But it you do it in front of my daughters, I'll beat your head in. Understood?

"The fact remains that if you know what the socail norms of the day are ad choose to disobey them, then you are likely to get called out. "

So what if I get called out? Change will never occur if people aren't willing to get called out. what the hell is so hard to grasp about that. I'm sure the first people to start pushing the idea of freeing slaves wasn't warmly regarded in the town hall, either.

Damn...I thought you liberals were all about bold activism? I guess the truth shows itself...you are all about freedom of expression and free thinking as long as it is exactly what everyone else is thinking and saying. THAT is the new modern Liberalism...and it scares the hell out of me. A bunch of mindless automatons repeating the party lines, too afraid to express a singular opinion. Rather pathetic, really, given the roots of activist Liberalism in America when marching openly in opposition to the social norms was the play of the day. Now...it looks like you are just a coward..

Anyway - nice discussion gentlemen...I'm off for a while. Have a great day! (be nude, Maniac, be nude!)

"Idiots hate logic"

You know I hate to criticize, but isn't that a self evident truth?

What is more self-evident, given the OP and his subsequent posts and strange set of links...and that the post was probably more self-reflection than anything else...

Idiots probably have no concept of logic, they don't hate what they can't understand and are probably blissfully unaware of their ignorance.

Whilst this post has a go at idiots, please remember that idiots didn't vote for anybody in the British general elections - the non-idiots are wholely responsible for the result. Not so smart now eh?

By its own standards, the initial post should be cause for mod action. Sorry to see you go, YJ ;_;

krellin will not be bullied, he will fight for his right to be a bigot until the day he dies.

Stop oppressing him y'all!

Yes, YJ - calling out Charlie Rangel for using hateful racial language is realllly bigotted of me.

Right on, brother.

It's too bad you never make any sense in pretty much anything you ever say.

It's too bad you are too much of a coward to ever openly address me...especially since...hmmm....wasn't it you that went to great lengths to call me out to a debate last year....after which you disappeared like a coward after I repeatedly humiliatged you in public, often using your own words?

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=943172

See the above link for a good example of what krellin considers humiliating somebody with their own words.

I'll gladly discuss that thread point by point, if you are man enough, Yelowjacket.

Where shall we begin. Please be specific on the point you want to discuss, and the exact nature of your concern and I will oblige - but only if you want to play like a big boy and will stick around for the discussion. You have this *nasty* habit of running away and hiding like a child when the chips get down.

So...let's go, shall we? Where, specifically, shall we start?

Simultaneously, I have taken a random thread of yours

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=1036728#1036728

Let's discuss your bigotry towards homosexuality.

I see that you believe a nation (which is a misinterpretation on your part - poor reading skills, I guess...) that supports gay marriage (though in this case, it was a STATE...much different than a nation...sigh...) is apparently bound for hell.

By this, we can assume that you are against gay marriage -- but given that stance that the nation is going to hell for the action of a state, in particular due to their acceptance of homosexuality in general, I would draw the conclusion that you are wholly against homosexuality in general.

Is this a proper conclusion I may draw from your post, YellowJacket. You think anyone that supports homosexuality is evil by nature, and therefore bound for hell (since evil is what is sent to hell, correct)?

Please address each point I have made.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=944147&page-thread=1#threadPager

See the above link for a good example of what krellin considers "man enough."

Let me further clarify my above post:
You, YellowJacket, believe that the actions of a few automatically cast judgement on an entire group. i.e. the actions of a state automatically cast judgement upon an entire nation?

So, by this, we can generally conclude that you do not judge each individual by his or her own actions, but rather you look at a person generally...perhaps by race/skin color, gender or sexual persuation, and therefore judge all people of a given group by the actions of a representative few of that group? Is that my correct interpretation of your particular form of bigotry?

YellowJAcket has ignored my reply to his specific post.

YellowJacket has refused to answer my specific request for clarification in his attack on me.

YellowJacket has refused to accept my challenge to discuss his posted ideas.

YellowJacket is an attack dog and a coward. Another in a long line of intellectually dishonest liberals.

Have a nice night, YJ...You've been humiliated yet again for all to see, using your own actions against you.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=990606

See the above link for a good example of what krellin considers accepting a challenge.

No need to go through to a thread -- I am attempting to address your challenge RIGHT HERE, as I tried to address you challenge in the past.

TO make is easy on the audience...YJ wanted to debate me ***OFF SITE***. I countered his request and ask they we continue to have OPEN DISCUSSIONS HERE.

YJ REFUSED to debate me in the public forums, he ranted and threw insults at me for days...and then he disappeared like an intellectually dishonest little coward.

Today you see a repeat of this behavior. I am attempting to openly engage him in a discussion. YJ refuses to even be specific abou this concerns, refuses to address me directly, etc.

In short...same old YJ. Intellectually inept. Intellectually dishonest. A bully and a coward (and not even a really good bully, as that goes...)

Truthfully, YJ is now simply spamming the forum with links to past threads, instead of actively engaging in new discussion. It's worthy of having him silenced if a mod were about...

Oh Krellin, you're so racist
You're so racist, you blow my mind, hey Krelley, hey Krelley!

Hey Krelley
You've been racist all night and that's a little long
You think you've got the right and I think you've got it wrong
Why can't you be a little nicer? So we can unmute you, Krelley!

Cause when you're being racist, you always say you don't
You're givin' me the finger, krelly, please krelly don't
Every night you still yell the n-word, Krelley!

Oh Krelly, what a pity, you don't understand
You stab me in the heart when you say that n-word brand
Oh Krelly, you're so racist, can't you understand
It's guys like you, Krelley!
Ooh what you do Krelly, say Krelly
Don't break my heart, Krelley!

Hey Krelley
Now when you say that word n... who's gonna sit there still?
Every time you yell, I a little more bris'le
Everything you say is racist, so just don't say, Krelley

So come on and shut it for me to stay sane here
Anyway you can not talk, the only way you'll endear
Oh please Krelley, please don't spout all this racism Krelley!

Oh Krelly, what a pity, you don't understand
You stab me in the heart when you say that n-word brand
Oh Krelly, you're so racist, can't you understand
It's guys like you, Krelley!
Ooh what you do Krelly, say Krelly
Don't break my heart, Krelley!


-dubmdell, full of win.

YellowJacket - I believe in equal opportunity for all races, both in the workplace, and in the use of language.

YellowJacket, I have asked you to engage me in a discussion. Are you incapable?

YellowJAcket, I have asked you to explain your biggoted attack on homosexuals - do you refuse to engage? Are you afraid to openly discuss your beliefs?

I'm free to discuss the issue of equal opportunity, and specifically discuss the use of specific language, ANY time you want to address me directly.

As you know, I have discussed the use of language in the past, I have discussed hiring practices of women and minorities, I have discussed my view of marriage for all --- but I will be happy to rehash any of these issue for you is you man up and address me directly.

Everyone here sees you as the coward you are...but I'm still holding out hope....perhaps foolishly...but here's your chance to man up, boy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I1vl_E15jA

click the above for a good example of krellin and his wife, boning.

YellowJAcket has ignored my reply to his specific post.

YellowJacket has refused to answer my specific request for clarification in his attack on me.

YellowJacket has refused to accept my challenge to discuss his posted ideas.

YellowJacket is an attack dog and a coward. Another in a long line of intellectually dishonest liberals.

Have a nice night, YJ...You've been humiliated yet again for all to see, using your own actions against you.

Hey krellin, remember when Romney lost?

YellowJacket has ignored my replies to his specific posts and only continues to attack. Sigh...

YellowJacket has refused to answer my specific request for clarification in his attacks on me.

YellowJacket has refused to accept my challenge to discuss his posted ideas.

YellowJacket is an attack dog and a coward. Another in a long line of intellectually dishonest liberals.

Have a nice night, YJ...You've been humiliated yet again for all to see, using your own actions against you.