Lol do explain.

You both have voews you want to impose but when he does it he is "wrong again."

Give it up Kingcyrus. Bo doesn't care what is fair or reasonable. Bo's only interest is furthering his selfish agenda. Kind of like those gentlemen of NAMBLA.

Yes, clearly my actions in this thread are easily equatable to pedophiles. I will have to hide my love for 12-year-old boys from here on out.

What is wrong with you?

You just agreed that 'do no harm' is a worthwhile proposition, worth imposing on others.

It may become questionable IF the imposing of this view harms others. Then we may have a grey area; but i think everyone can agree that causing a child to commit suicide is harmful.

There are other cases, take this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Megan_Meier - which apparently wasn't prosecuted :(

It was prosecuted, and convicted, but the conviction was overturned on appeal.

orathaic, I never said I agreed to legally imposing every act of 'do no harm.' "Do no harm" is a personal philosophy that I believe all people should take. But by no means do I think an insult should be worthy of prosecution, and definitely not execution.

So you are against the death penalty? Interesting turn of events...

In most cases yes. Bust stop twisting my words.

Bottom line. YOU are an authoritarian ass who wants to execute people for thinking or speaking differently than you. End of story.

No, not for disagreeing with me. For the abuse and deah of the chuld which they were responcible for.

Children are not propetry of their parents, and their rights should be protected. Is there something here you disagree with?

I disagree with your subjugation of others. I disagree with the fact that you are willing to execute people who speak against others. You claim that those who refuse to call transgender people by their supposed pronouns undermine their identity and therefore deserve to die. But you are a filthy hypocrite. I didn't see you praising the attacks on Charlie Hebdo, who clearly "undermine" (by your logic) the identity of Muslims, Jews, and Christians by insulting their religions.

Bottom line, I may not like the things people say, but I will defend their right to say it. You on the other hand, are so intolerant, or perhaps so fragile, that hearing someone else's opinions might hurt your feelings. Therefore, you believe that these people should be executed.

Heil orathaic.

Orathaic is saying that this is child abuse, and should be punished as such. I don't quite see why this is so controversial a stance.

Mendax

a) that has not been his (entire) point though out. It has been part, but not all

b) I see parts of this as child abuse, specifically basically locking up their child and apparently ignoring their child's depression. I would disagree that not acknowledging Josh's identity is child abuse.

You get all you need to know from this by the fact that you all are still calling her Josh.

It's not that hard. Not everyone goes by their given name. You don't stick it to them and call them something they don't like, yet you are here for two reasons. One, you know it pisses me off, and two, she is transgendered.

If you can't acknowledge her gender, at least acknowledge your name. That's not hard.

Bo, fair enough. The person whose legal name is Josh chose the name of Leelah just as anyone else can choose a nickname. I will say Leelah.

But at the same time, Josh IS Leelah's legal name, though not preferred one.

Legal does not imply correct.

If you mean it does not imply what Leelah preferred to be called than yes, but there is no doubt it was Leelah's name.

My sister hasn't legally changed her name but on everything other than her medical and insurance forms, her name is not the one she was given at birth. Most of her friends at school that haven't known her for over four years don't know it was ever changed. It's just who she is, and no one is disrespectful enough to call her by her birth name.

Legal or not, Leelah is Leelah, not Josh or any variation thereof. Similarly, Leelah is legally male - her medical and insurance forms certainly reflect this - but to you and I, she is who she chooses to be. She chooses her name, her clothes, her hair, her behavior - it is all up to her. You wouldn't laugh at my sister for changing her name or having the operations she's had to her face, nor would you to Leelah. You may be offput by her appearance or actions, but it isn't something you would say to her as a random civilian.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/kentucky-state-senator-proposes-2500-bounty-on-each-trans-kid-caught-in-wrong-bathroom/

Seems a bit extreme.

is leelah your sister? I thought she is in Nagoya? And orthaic, I do agree nearly a 100% with your view on parental "rights." Which are more often than not misinterpreted… in particular when it comes to faith imposition.

Lol, no, thankfully not. My sister wasn't abused when she came out, nor would anyone in my family, including the most religious Christians, ever go so far as to deny who she is.

It is a strange and alien world Bo describes in which people choose their own names. I know virtually no one who has done so. In my experience your last name is chosen by fate, your first name is chosen by your parents, and the name you get called each day is chosen by your friends.

Fwiw, I've pretty much chosen my own name (I use my middle name almost exculsively, to the point where I barely recognise my first name as referring to me).

Tangential, but I know many people who are "juniors" or "thirds" who use their middle names, mostly to avoid confusion with their fathers.

Mendax, but how did you get your middle name? Odds on it was given to you by your parents.

That is all beside the point. Yes, you are given a name, else you would be nameless until you understood the concept of names. That doesn't mean you have to keep that name. You can change your last name too. Women do it all the time when they get married. As of recent years, some men change their name to match their fiancé's last name. People change their name across languages when they immigrate. My girlfriend is adopted and she is planning on using her adoptive family's last name for the rest of her life even though she is becoming reacquainted with her biological family. Her biological family named her, not her adoptive family, but it's her choice. Last name, first name, middle name, second middle name, whatever - it's all a choice.

If Leelah wanted to ditch her family, which would not surprise me given how they treated her, she could have gone with a different name entirely. As before, her legal name on her medical and insurance forms or whatever would have remained the same, but she was under no obligation to retain her last name either, nor is anyone else.

"the name you get called each day is chosen by your friends"

I literally addressed exactly that in my posts before you. Did you bother reading? My sister tells her friends what to call her, because she doesn't go by her name. When her professors read off her name for attendance, she corrects them. She chooses her name. When my dad, who is struggling to adjust to her new name, calls her by her birth name, she corrects him too. Octavious, if your friends are choosing to call you something you don't want to be called and you tell them that yet they still continue, you would have some really shitty friends and ought to get away from them.

in many countries you can even change your "official" name, if you provide sufficient arguments. IF one of my children would discover they were from the other side, I'd insist on renaming them (my sole condition here), because they would never come with names as cool as their parents could.

I went through several years being called Dangerous Brian at school, due to a relaxed attitude to health and safety in science labs. Buddy Dave and Buddy Sam were inseparable, Neil Bitch I have no idea how he got his name, Massey was huge (and also had Massey for a surname), and Plug was always Plug. I don't think liking or disliking ever came into it. It was just how it was. Much like a lower intestine, you are aware of it and it has a useful function, but that's about it.