That was to Jeff, not yoyo.

There are 3 remaining spots for each of those two categories.

@TrPrado: It seems to me that the tournament would be best served by having nominees put into the most appropriate categories, even if this contradicts the original suggestion. It does justice to the nominees (not that they care) because they have a better chance at doing well in the category they are most well-suited for.

Some of the Wild Cards are kind of hybrids, which seems fine by me. Alfred Nobel was also a great inventor (dynamite) in his own right, as well as a visionary who created the most famous prizes for the expansion of human knowledge and world peace.

Again, I am all for you editorializing with the nominations as long as it makes the most sense for the event. Some people just look at the list and think of the greatest people they know and shoe horn them into the categories even if they come up with 2 leaders or 2 scientists.

When we talk about major movements we run into trouble. The Civil Rights struggle was a major event in US history, but there were a lot of great men behind it. This problem occurs to a similar degree for the Leader category, and to a much lesser one for the Scientist category.

I disagree. With the leader category, the winner should be someone who was able to affect outside of their perspective domain. Adolf hitler (besides the fact that he was a military genius) not only surged his country out of a seemingly endless depression, he was the role model for other countries who suffered, causing socialist movements all over europe. George washington leading the revolutioal war inspired other countries to revolt for their freedom as well, namely france.

Yoyo: Hitler didn't inspire socialist movements. If anything, he inspired fascist movements, but even those were more because of Mussolini, who created that movement and inspired Hitler at least somewhat. Hitler's economic model did serve very well, though, and the modern version of it, which is still used in Germany, is something I rather look up to.

Also, I'm probably going to end up switching Olga of Kiev and Malcolm X because they are not in what a lot of us can probably agree are their properly nominated categories.

Is there someone in Scientist that you all would feel would be better in Wild Card? Because I feel it really necessary to move Leibniz. Or do you all think he's good where he is?

Oh haha. Well I was never really good at European history.

I'd be good with either Aristotle, Copernicus, or Da Vinci moving to Wild Card.

Where's Kanye?

He's under Artist, 2WL. He was nominated some time ago.

Kanye West:Greatest Artist::Dennis Rodman:Greatest Statesman

Kanye's a scientist.

Greatest Leader: Kanye West
Greatest Scientist/Inventor: Kanye West
Greatest Artist: Kanye West

And Kanye is undoubtedly the greatest wildcard in human history.

If Kanye West were in the wild card category, I would vote for him.

Why are we even having this tournament? We all know Kanye West has already won.

Switched Olga and Malcolm:

Leaders:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Adolf Hitler
Gandhi
Hannibal
Theodore Roosevelt
Augustus Caesar
Tamerlane
Tokugawa
Cincinnatus
Erwin Rommel
Genghis Khan
Napoleon Bonaparte
Alfred the Great
Muhammad
Deng Xiaoping
Charlemagne
Nelson Mandela
Alexander the Great
Winston Churchill
Margaret Thatcher
Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson
Theodora
Alaric I
Winfield Scott
Isabella I
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor
Olga of Kiev
Joan of Arc
Otto von Bismarck

Artists:
William Shakespeare
The Beatles
J.R.R. Tolkien
Arnold Schoenberg
Vincent Van Gogh
Pablo Picasso
Henry David Thoreau
Claude Monet
Randall Munroe
Lao Tzu
Pyotr Tchaikovsky
Vergil
Lord Byron
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Michaelangelo
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Raymond Carver
Homer
Bob Dylan
Franz Liszt
Johann Sebastian Bach
Harriet Beecher Stowe
Kanye West (our clear winner)
Giotto di Bondone
Eminem
Rivers Cuomo
Salvador Dali
Raphael
Robert A. Heinlein
Janis Joplin
Sappho
George R. R. Martin

Scientists/Inventors:
Albert Einstein
Thomas Edison
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Jonas Salk
Robert Oppenheimer
Nikola Tesla
Werner von Braun
Mendeleev
Archimedes
James Joule
Aristotle
Isaac Newton
Carl Bosch
Alan Turing
Copernicus
Marie Curie
Avicenna
Charles Darwin
David Suzuki
James Watt
Thomas Kuhn
Stephen Hawking
Sigmund Freud
Galileo Galilei
Gregor Mendel
Johannes Gutenberg
Edward Teller
Jane Goodall
Rosalind Franklin
Gotthold Eisenstein
Leonardo da Vinci
Richard Feynman

Wild Card:
Plato
Immanuel Kant
Rene Descartes
Benjamin Franklin
Gichin Funakoshi
Khalid ibn al-Walid
Martin Luther
John Locke
Jesus
Mansa Musa
Bill Gates
Constantine
Malcolm X
Karl Marx
Niccolo di Bernardo dei Machiavelli
Noam Chomsky
Richard Dawkins
Saul of Tarsus
Emma Watson
Frederick Rogers
Adam Smith
Buddha
Billy Waugh
Mother Teresa
Susan B. Anthony
Jan Hus
Gottfried Leibniz
Alfred Nobel
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Suggestions for remaining lists:

Leader:
Catherine the Great
Elizabeth I
Hatshepsut
Nefertiti
Queen Victoria
Louis XIV
Cesare Borgia
Peter the Great
Giuseppe Garibaldi
Cleopatra
Dowager Cixi
Wu Zhao
Cyrus the Great
Sun Tzu
Gustavus Adolphus
Frederick the Great
Julius Caesar
Henry VIII
George Washington
TrPrado

Wild Card:
Pythagoras
Marie Antoinette
George S. Patton
Andrew Carnegie
John D. Rockefeller
Steve Jobs
Oprah Winfrey
Marilyn Monroe
Elvis Presley
TrPrado
Socrates

My top 3 picks (since there are 3 spots open each) from each suggestion list:

Leaders:
Queen Victoria
Dowager Cixi
George Washington

Wild Card:
Andrew Carnegie
Socrates
John D. Rockefeller

By my count, we need 3 more leaders, and 3 more wild cards.

I kind of wish that we could bend the rules of mathematics and have an extra few in each category. We're planning on doing it bracket-style, right? I'd rather something more scientific.

Perhaps something where we have 40 for each category, and for each category, we have them in 10 groups of 4. The top 2 of each group advances (yes, like the World Cup). At that point we divide the 20 into 4 groups of 5, and the top 2 advance from each of those. Boom, that's 8, categorical quarterfinals, and then the brackets. Or something like that. What if the top 2 get drawn against each other in the first round?

It will be fun either way, though. I'm just thinking out loud.

Anyway, I'd like to endorse, in addition to TrPrado's picks, Elvis. Revolutionized American music. And why not Steve Jobs if we already have Bill Gates? What was much greater about Gates than Jobs?

Gates has donated like 30 billion dollars to charity.

Wow, guys, I just realized that all the nominations AND suggestions for Leader are dead. It's the only category with 100% dead people.

But I agree, with the iphone being the most recognizable electronic in the world, he had definitely made his impact.

@Yoyo: right, that's a good answer.

@TrPrado: Full table (by my count):

Leaders: 0 dead, 29 dead.

Artists: 5.5 alive, 26.5 dead.

Scientists: 4 alive, 28 dead.

Wild Card: 5 alive, 23 dead, 1 toss-up.

"0 dead, 29 dead."

Thats impossible.
Unless.... you a zombie.

Hmmm....What about Putin?

I think Napoleon Bonaparte should also be up there

It's good that you think so, because Napoleon is up there.

Lol you lil smartass :)