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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
19 Apr 17 UTC
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Ossoff TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
https://redd.it/664s7n
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mitomon (511 D)
22 Apr 17 UTC
Just thought I'd leave this here for someone
http://polandball.cc/comic/international-trade-in-the-16th-century/
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brainbomb (290 D)
21 Apr 17 UTC
Left my oven on all night
Set at 415 after cooking a pizza. I forgot to shut it off. It was on nearly 20 hours. I feel lucky I didnt burn my house down.
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d-rock (650 D)
19 Apr 17 UTC
Colonial Diplomacy
What's the reason for Colonial being deactivated on this server?
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Fluminator (1500 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
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NHL sucks
I honestly challenge anyone who obviously knows nothing about hockey to keep high morale when the refs are literally maliciously trying to throw the game. I've never seen worse reffing in a series, and anyone who doesn't realize these are humans that actually get effected when the ref delibrately tries to blow a series against your team, should realize that it makes your team feel like they are skating though glue.
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
18 Apr 17 UTC
Should we just get rid of corporate taxation altogether?
Check it out:
http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-federal-tax-revenues-come-from

Corporate taxes are already low.
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Puddle (413 D)
17 Apr 17 UTC
Sending Screenshots
Is there any rule concerning sending one player a screenshot of your conversation with another?
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curupira (3441 D)
20 Apr 17 UTC
Gunboat invitation
Hi, folks.
Anybody up for one more gunboat game?
Classic, 1 day, 30 pts., draw size ...
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brainbomb (290 D)
16 Apr 17 UTC
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How can I become a crappier person
I have recently been told that I am funny, kinda weird, a stalker, spammy, and an artistic twat. Do you fellows at WebDiplomacy observe these traits about me? How can I become the worst me possible? What tips and advice can you offer? How can I become a shit human? This is a serious thread and I want to become even worse than I am.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
Win Or Bust
Draws are for sissies. Who would like to join me in a game where, by agreement of all participants, no "Draw" votes shall be permitted?

I think it'll be fun.
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brainbomb (290 D)
19 Apr 17 UTC
You discover a map to buried treasure
There is a catch. While visiting neighors you find the map in the hands of their infant son. The treasure is likely real as youd heard of the map and its fabled promise. The problem is not just that a child is holding the map- its that the family desperately would need the treasure to pay off their debts or they may end up on the streets starving. However you also know the babys mother and father gamble, drink and are rather unsavory. What do you do?
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
19 Apr 17 UTC
Is water wet, or does it just make things wet?
Discuss?
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
19 Apr 17 UTC
New robot!
There's a new robot called the omnibus that does all the work that needs to be done -- faster, cheaper, and more accurately than any human can do. Wrinkle: only one person owns it. Is this a problem or a blessing?
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ND (879 D)
26 Mar 17 UTC
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Mafia 28: -JEBEDIAH'S WRATH-
See below
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Just do one thing for me Snowy. Give me a narrative of the game, from the perspective of Ghost Balki. Describe what I have done in the game and why I felt that doing those things moved me towards my ghost win condition. Here are a few of the highlights you should explain:

(a) claimed a gun in my first post;
(b) asked for people to tell me how to use my gun about two dozen times over the course of the game;
(c) was jailed on N1;
(d) came up with a fanciful story about a walkie talkie today

You believe those actions are consistent with being ghost? Please explain what I was thinking. Or if you think I am just a poor strategist, then say that.
@rdrivera,

(a) why don't you think I am ghost?
(b) why do you think I am scum?
(c) don't you think it is critical that we hunt for scum right now? The ghost can win much sooner than the final goon can.
I know with people like Balki and HR...you don't give them an inch when you are certain they're cun
snowy801 (591 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
Hunt for scum? Don't you mean ghost? Oh my, is that a slip?

Answers to your questions incoming. I think you're a pretty good player. It just so happened that your play backfired.
*scum
snowy801 (591 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
That was at Balki, for clarity.
Yes, I meant critical that we hunt for "ghost," specifically.

Is it a slip? That depends, what do you mean by a slip?
snowy801 (591 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
a) I suspect you were banking on the hopes that either the item thief would take your item, or that mafia would bet on your gun backfiring. All you had to do was survive the first night, and your invincibility is all but assured.

b) To be town read, of course. It worked until now, didn't it?

c) While you were jailed on N1, it is also worth recognizing that chaqa revealed this information as he did so. Expecting Ezio to die soon, I suspect you were banking on making this argument in the long run

d) Because if you didn't shoot the gun we were going to lynch you without question

Anything else?
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
13 Apr 17 UTC
@Balki - I told before that I had some problems with the narrative of you being ghost, bringing the QT story as ghost doesn't make sense. But I just can't see a reason for a town to play this way, so maybe you are just scum trying a desperate play as scum had the worst odds at winning at this point. The way you tried to frame me on your first QT description (no subs, decently active) and now changed your story to fit Oztra is indicative too.
snowy801 (591 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
Ah, the slip is that the term scum is usually used to denote mafia, not third party. Yet in a statement clearly directed towards said third party you used scum instead of ghost.

Well, whether this is a slip or not is hardly going to affect the evidence we currently possess.

I'd be happy to engage you, as you say, until the end of day. I'd just much sooner see you making cases instead of just wildly defending yourself.
Hmmmm, it is also mathematically unlikely that I am ghost. If I am ghost, I had no haunt on N1. I think that means that I would have zero haunts right now, and every one of my haunts has been removed or died.

N1 no haunt, Balki in jail
N2 haunt Ezio
N3 haunt A, haunted Ezio dies
N4 haunt B
N5 haunt C, Vashta unhaunted, Snowy unhaunted
D6 haunted dies
N6 haunt D, another haunted dies

That is 5 nights to haunt, and 5 people who have either died haunted or had haunts removed. I guess that makes Damian's point earlier possible. If I were ghost, I would be susceptible to a mafia NK tonight because I would have no haunts.

But it also shows another reason why it is unlikely I am ghost. Uniquely, I would have had less nights to haunt than any other ghost, meaning that it would be less likely that our kills/holy waters have hit their mark in the amount that they have.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
13 Apr 17 UTC
Only one holy symbol hit their target for sure as far as we know. Bo could have cleared Vash or not (and Vash could even be lying about being haunted).
@snowy:

"a) I suspect you were banking on the hopes that either the item thief would take your item, or that mafia would bet on your gun backfiring. All you had to do was survive the first night, and your invincibility is all but assured."

Invincibility all but assured? Not at all. If scum were to NK ghost even when ghost is immune from NK, that is not good for ghost. Then mafia know who the ghost is. Mafia cannot win with the ghost alive, so that's obviously horrible for ghost. The ghost really does not want to be NKed. I, as a player, am routinely NKed. You think I would claim an item in my first post that increases my chances of being NKed? You should reconsider this. It's important.

"b) To be town read, of course. It worked until now, didn't it?"

I have no trouble being town read, and I don't think claiming a gun helps. My death in almost every game comes from being NKed. If I were ghost, I'd be trying to avoid being NKed. There are much better items to claim if my goal was to be town read.

"c) While you were jailed on N1, it is also worth recognizing that chaqa revealed this information as he did so. Expecting Ezio to die soon, I suspect you were banking on making this argument in the long run"

I don't really understand what you're saying here. Can you repeat it?

"d) Because if you didn't shoot the gun we were going to lynch you without question"

This is false, and I can't believe you'd say it. I have been not shooting my gun all game. I think the only lynch vote for me was Vashta. And until a few hours ago, everybody seemed to agree that my being jailed on N1 cleared me from being the ghost. So the idea that I was under any lynch pressure today at all is fiction.
"@Balki - I told before that I had some problems with the narrative of you being ghost, bringing the QT story as ghost doesn't make sense. But I just can't see a reason for a town to play this way, so maybe you are just scum trying a desperate play as scum had the worst odds at winning at this point. The way you tried to frame me on your first QT description (no subs, decently active) and now changed your story to fit Oztra is indicative too."

Well, this is how I play as town. You can confirm that if you'd like to spend time to read my other town games. Or, you can compare my stated reasons for doing what I've done to your perception about why mafia or ghost would do the things I've done.

I think it's pretty clear that neither mafia nor ghost would take the risks that I've taken. And I think it's pretty clear that I have been working hard to get useful reactions from everyone all game.

So, feel free to comment on my ability as a player in the GOD thread after the game. But right now, you need to compare the probability that I am risky, reaction testing VT, or risky, reaction testing scum.
I gotta run.
Let me just say: please don't vote end. I have a busy day today, but I do want to go back and look carefully at the reactions and share my thoughts. You all may give them no credence at all until after I flip, but at least let me share my thoughts so you can refer back to them after my lynch.
Also, for our end voter, Vashta, a few questions for you:

(1) How sure are you that I am scum?
(2) When you are town, do you have a good track record of being correct about who is scum?
(3) How does your confidence that I am scum in this game compare to your confidence level about other lynch votes in this game and in other games?
(4) If it turns out that you are wrong, and I am not scum, will you send me a pizza or eat your hat, or something else that might give me some satisfaction?
1) Very
2) Yes, Especially near the end
3) More than anyone else
4) I'll give you a signed picture of myself if I'm wrong
snowy801 (591 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
Balki, who would you guess Ikaneko revealed in his death?
@Snowy, it's pretty hard to speculate about who Ikaneko targeted, especially given the possibility that he just didn't update his Oracle selection following Maniac's death. I don't really think the one comment he made about Vashta is likely to be a breadcrumb of any kind. I did not get the impression from Ikaneko that he was the type to leave breadcrumbs. He just seemed kind of lazy and belligerent to me.

So, I don't know. I have not seen any useful clues on that score.
Okay, I reviewed reactions to my fake QT claim. As I said, my goal was to tell a story that only ghost would know for a fact to be wrong, in hopes that the reactions might reveal who knew for a fact that my claim was false. I wanted my QT story to suggest that I in fact did not have any access to the QT, so that the ghost would think that I was making it up completely. I expected that ghost would react in one of two ways: (a) suggest complete confidence that I was lying, or (b) show hesitancy to engage at all with my claim.

Here are my thoughts on the reactions:

VASHTA

❝ “Guys Balki is obviously the ghost...like this story is so stupid. Will tear apart soon”
❝ “**CallGM: can the people with the cell qt link it in thread”
❝ “**voteBalki this is so stupid. is Kaka still around, if not who was he replaced by?”
❝ “So guys...Balki is obviously lying. Who the fuck knows his QT username?”
❝ “seriously though no one knows Balki's Handle on QT...certainly no one alive in this game...”
❝ “GUYS YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS IF YOU BUY THAT BALKI INITIALLY HAD THE WALKIE!...Seriously his theory relies on someone else either randomly picking Harold Shawn as the name they will post as (aside from Ghosty McGhostFace or some other actual name) or something like that.”

THOUGHTS:

❈I initially thought Vashta’s reaction was downright ghosty. He instantly disbelieved my claim with confidence that seemed to betray that he had access to the QT.
❈As Vash continued, he started talking about this idea that the only way my claim made sense would be if someone randomly chose the same handle “Harold Shawn” as me. That showed a fundamental misconception with the QT. In the actual QT, both Kakarroto and I frequently changed our handles. We used names like “ghug,” “wjessop,” “Captain Coolguy,” and many others. Nobody who actually read the QT would make this mistake, unless they were purposefully trying to conceal their knowledge.
❈So either Vashta has not seen the actual Walkie Talkie QT, or he was doing a good job pretending that he had not seen it. I think it is much more likely that he just hasn’t seen it. He was steadfastedly in the “Balki is scum” camp of 1 before my QT claim, so it is not odd that he was confident I was lying. For Vashta to be ghost, he would have had to simultaneously fall for my trap and come out with confidence that I was lying, while also coming up with a clever trick that he thought I was lying for this reason that the ghost could not sincerely have. Very unlikely in my mind. I’m pretty sure Vashta is not the ghost.


RDRIVERA

❝”@Balki - If you are really telling the truth, you probably know that I can´t be the ghost. My English will just give me up if I post too much in a QT. I was Jailor once as scum and posted only small entences in the QT out of fear that people will catch me on my English mistakes.”
❝“I confess that at this point, I am having problems believing on Balki. If you had such a tie with Kaka why you didn´t said nothing before we lynch him/Glen?”
❝“I don´t think he can post the QT link as this allow people to verify his claim with outside info, I think he can quote the QT, but he could be faking it, we have to decide if the quote was believable or not.
Still, let´s wait for the GM ruling.”
❝“I just want to confirm that this type of QT works the way Balki told, you can choose the username on each message (I used Benevolent Captor when I was Jailor).”
❝“To be honest, I can probably write properly if I put the needed effort, I already published some scientific articles in English, but this is the type of effort I can´t do all the time I am writing, specially when I am on the phone.”

THOUGHTS:

❈It’s hard for me to move off my earlier ghost read of rdrivera, but I found his reaction to my test to be very towny.
❈His first thought was to consider that my claim could be true, and to reflect on what it might mean about his own alignment. That showed both an ignorance about whether my claim was true or false (consistent with not ghost) and a willingness to engage with my claim (consistent with not ghost).
❈He asked a good question about why I would not have disclosed the ghost imposter before we lynched Kaka. That seems like a good town process to me.
❈He made some concessions that might have implicated him more, but added to the discussion: (1) the mechanics of the QT were as I described them, and (2) he could manage correct English if he was trying hard.
❈I wouldn’t clear rdrivera as ghost, but I have to admit that his reaction to my test was not what I would expect of Ghost Rdrivera. I no longer think he is ghost. He is probably town.


DAMIAN

❝ “Alright. Lots has happened while I've been busy. Balki had a walkie-talkie rather than a gun. Thats interesting. Potentially useful too if we can get anything out of the analysis of the walkie-talkie chat. Of course if he was the ghost he could just make up whatever he wanted for walk-talkie chat. Depending on if the other walkie-talkie hold was dead. Really hard for us to know. Since the ghost on the walkie-talkie was reasonably active that pretty much clears Oztra.”
❝I think I buy the Balki-talkie claim actually….Claiming the other end of the walkie-talkie would be a big risk and if he's lying there are two people who could potentially counter claim him. Unless he already knows who both ends of the talkie are and they're both dead. Hmm... no I guess I'm back to being not sure on it. I think Balki is either telling the truth, or he's lying and knows there is nobody alive who can contradict him.”
❝“I think Balki is currently our best ghost bet. As Vash pointed out, the walkie-talkie story doesn't totally make sense. Why not tell Kaka the ghost was in the thread?”

THOUGHTS:
❈ Damian did not react immediately to my walkie claim, and did not seem to be in the thread, so it is harder to draw conclusions. It is possible that he was carefully considering his response before posting.
❈That said, he seems to have a pretty town process to me in his response. He suggests a couple of times that he is leaning towards believing my claim. Eventually that is overcome by skepticism about the fact that I did not mention the ghost imposter before the Kaka lynch. That all seems like sensible town process. And his reactions seem authentic. He seems like he is actively grappling with the truth of my claim. If he were ghost, this would be entirely manufactured. And while it is certainly possible to fake, my read is that Damian is being sincere.
❈I still think Damian is town.


ZORCLEX

❝”Ugghh. It's 5 am here. I need to get to sleep. I'm also going to miss EoD tomorrow, because it's Maundy Thursday.

But after a quick review of the past few ages alone, **vote Balki. He's acting crazy defensive, and his defenses make no sense. Glad I could help kill the ghost.”

THOUGHTS:

❈He has only posted one thing, and it was a substanceless hop onto an already loaded wagon.
❈Zorclex also says that he will miss EoD tomorrow/Thursday? Does that mean that he will actually be on at EoD because EoD is on Friday, not Thursday? Hard to know. Zorclex does not answer questions.
❈Zorclex is obviously not even pretending to care at all about this game. That could mean he is ghost, but who knows. I’m pretty null, and pretty certain that Zorclex should be mod-killed and not invited back to play.


OZTRA

❝“ok then. reading the evidence **vote balki”
❝“@balki well by what everyone else is doin, just wanna make my vote count and also other peoples evidence seems pretty compelling”

THOUGHTS:

❈Oztra had a vote down on Zorclex before my claim. His reasoning: “damo mate, i dont really see your case against me. just because i have not been doing this all day everyday doesnt mean that i am the ghost. you could be the ghost... nah probs not **vote zorclex.”
❈Oztra posted on the same page I made my QT claim. A couple of hours after my claim, after 3 pages of posts and a loaded Balki wagon, Oztra returns to the thread, plops a vote down on me, and says “ok then, reading the evidence **vote Balki.” Oztra does not respond to several requests for him to state the case in his own words.
❈Hard to distinguish this from bad/lazy town play, but this is very consistent with what I’d expect from an inexperienced ghost in responding to my claim. He seemed afraid to engage with my story because he alone knew that it was false for reasons he could not say. They, when he saw an easy wagon formed, he plopped his vote there. He could not explain the reasons in his own words. I think he is most likely to flip ghost.


SNOWY

❈Can’t be ghost. Seen visiting bosox, and rdrivera says he cleared Snowy of a haunt.
Not buying it. Bye balki
@Vashta, that's fine. You're on confirmation bias island. Read it after ai flip, and then send me your signed photo.
Do I get a framed 8x10, or just a wallet sized?
damian (675 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
Easter is kind of a big holiday for me so I'm going to be really busy all weekend.

Reading Balki's analysis, it certainly appears he out a lot of forethought into his QT claim. While this could be ghostly behaviour for the reasons outline before. It could also be town behaviour as I think if everything he's said is true it would be an excellent ghost hunti technique.

I'm going to go back to my instincts as I feel the case on Balki is weaker than it was when I made my vote. Oztra was my next best bet for ghost and I think the Balki reaction test makes me slightly more confident in that.

##vote Oztra.
brainbomb (290 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
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OFFICIAL Vote Count 7.4
Balki Bartokomous (5) VashtaNeuroti, snowy801, Oztra, zorclex, rdrivera2003

Oztra (2) balkibartokomus, damian

End votes: 1/4

Currently Balki is scheduled to be lynched.

20 hours remain in Day 7
snowy801 (591 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
##vote Oztra
It would be good if one person voting for me (or one person not voting for me) would take the time to read my full set of posts on peterlund's bot and shared evidence for and against the case on me before I am lynched. Perhaps that is asking to much. But I hope somebody steps up and does it. It's a long thread. There may be things in there you haven't considered.

You have about 19 hours.
"Okay, I reviewed reactions to my fake QT claim. As I said, my goal was to tell a story that only ghost would know for a fact to be wrong, in hopes that the reactions might reveal who knew for a fact that my claim was false. I wanted my QT story to suggest that I in fact did not have any access to the QT, so that the ghost would think that I was making it up completely. I expected that ghost would react in one of two ways: (a) suggest complete confidence that I was lying, or (b) show hesitancy to engage at all with my claim."

So your plan was to tell an obviously false story that incriminates you in order to goad the ghost into challenging you. This makes no sense.
1. All the arguments about not saving Kaka are still true
2. It doesn't make sense of his constant guns claims.
3. Why would the ghost call him out on this, it makes no fucking sense for the ghost to see a story even I can pick apart and decide "I'll be the one to deal with this"
4. Balki is know for lying through his teeth every fucking time

I say we lynch him. If we're wrong, sure Oztra seems fine, but like HR last game, letting him off the hook especially with such a stupid story is just ridiculous.
Also like...why would the ghost only react in one of those two ways. Correct response as ghost is clearly to see the first two reactions and take a middle ground

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
19 Apr 17 UTC
Tea partier conservative on renewable energy...
And how to reach republicans: https://youtu.be/nbmt_WeNBck

Thoughts?
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superkeiko (239 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
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Three Build England, possiblility and effect on game play.
As far as I know, there is only 1 set of moves that gives England 3 1901 builds, what if in a real game, England, Germany, Russia, and France must complete those moves, what will be the diplomatic effect in game?
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Durga (3609 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
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For your amusement
So guys, as some of you know I can be a bit of a troll on the forums. This also tends to mean I'm a bit of a troll on other internet platforms that aren't webdip. One of them being tinder. This time I thought it would be hilarious to make this my bio and see what happens: http://imgur.com/tW86lIi

Stay tuned for lots of fun (because I some hilarious convos to share) **all identities will be protected**
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Roadhog (219 D(G))
18 Apr 17 UTC
We're almost there! Just two more...
Come and play a Modern Diplo game:

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=196222
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Apr 17 UTC
What makes someone terrible at playing diplomacy
I was wondering if personality traits can make it harder for someone to ever get good at this game. I consider myself pretty average if not mediocre at diplomacy for a number of reasons.
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husse (100 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
quick game
yooo who is down for a quick live game
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
17 Apr 17 UTC
Freaky Friday
If you could trade lives with someone on this site for a day, who would it be and why? (Jeez, I hope no one has asked this before!)
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bdublicious (100 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
Single route convoy chain order choices -- resolution & disruption
Hi All: questions about the order resolution & disruption in convoy chains:
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Durga (3609 D)
18 Apr 17 UTC
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Safe space thread
This thread is for JamesYanik, Capt Brad, and TrPrado to say whatever they want about whoever they want and let out all their angsty feelings so they stop spamming the rest of the forum.
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Smokey Gem (154 D)
17 Apr 17 UTC
When do Ethics Breakdown
Are individuals more etically aware of their actions than a village, or a city or a state or a country at what point does the ethics break down..
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TheRealMaestro (190 D)
16 Apr 17 UTC
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Christ is risen!
I wish a happy Easter to the entire webDiplomacy community.
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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
Diplomacy: German Openings
What are some common German openings in Diplomacy? And which opening do you recommend for Germany?
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brainbomb (290 D)
15 Apr 17 UTC
Indulgences
What would happen if science could prove even theoretically that an afterlife exists that is based on morality? Also if this happens would it be considered spam to offer indulgences on webdip.
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SuperMario0727 (204 D)
16 Apr 17 UTC
Diplomacy: Is Germany Too Weak?
I noticed that Germany is considerably weaker in Diplomacy than it's historical counterpart. In game, Germany can very easily be knocked out by England and France. However, historically Germany was able to fight competently on three separate fronts. Does anybody feel that Germany is a little misrepresented in game?
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DammmmDaniel (100 D)
17 Apr 17 UTC
Discord Help?
According to discord I am spicy? Because of my hotness I have been told that I need to "Chill". This is unfair to attractive people. I am being discriminated based off of my sexiness which should not be allowed. How do I try to get out of this "Chill Zone" without giving up my beauty? Please send help.
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
16 Apr 17 UTC
Coup in North Korea
I was trying to think why Trump would engage in such brinksmanship with North Korea. Sure, it could be just more inexperience, etc, but then I was thinking that maybe the goal is to scare the generals there so much that someone bumps off the Great Leader. Then I started thinking, that's probably why he rubbed out his half-brother recently.
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