There's nothing I can do if Warden is honestly blinded by your fabricated arguments against me and really thinks I'm the last Lizard. One of you is the mutant, and whichever one it is is explicitly throwing the game to the other one right now. I really don't know what else to say. If I'm right and Warden is the mutant, and he wants to throw the game to guak the lizard, then so be it, I don't know what I can do to convince him he's giving up the game here.

Day 4 Vote Update 2

guak(2): pj, y2k
Warden (1): guak
Y2k (1): Warden

Currently GUAK is set to be lynched!
1 hour 43 minutes remain

How about you both humor me for a second, consider that I actually am govt, which is the honest to god truth, and you lynch me. You do see how that means the lizard wins, right? It's a lost cause for the mutant due to the mafia roleblock ability. I'm not scum. No matter what amazing arguments you can come up with to show I'm scum, it doesn't change the fact that it's simply not true.

##CALL GM, isn't guak's vote on me? We're at a tie now I think.

Apologies missed the post where he switched.

Day 4 Vote Update 3

guak(2): pj, y2k
Y2k (2): Warden, guak

Currently NO ONE is set to be lynched!
1 hour 27 minutes remain

@y2k: if you are government then everyone loses. I do not see how lizards win like you say.

Moot point either way since you are the last lizard

i guess you're right about everyone losing if we lynch town because the mutant/mafia won't be able to kill each other, with PJ eventually getting nightkilled. so be it I guess. we're on track to draw right now and not lynch, so where will that take us?

Worst-case scenario, pj gets to be the kingmaker tomorrow. By the way, if you think I am lizard then why would I be pushing a case against you who no one thinks is the mutant? The same applies to WD. Everyone knows that the last lizard will push a case against whomever he thinks is mutant because it is the only way lizard can win without depending on pj kingmaking the lizards. The simple fact that both WD and I are pushing against you makes us both town and mutant. You clearly think I am the mutant and not WD despite what your words are saying, but you are barking up the wrong tree.

I guess that would just mean me or PJ are nightkilled, same result and no one wins.

i do not think you are the mutant, when did I say or imply that?

A no lynch means that you will roleblock me, WD will kill you, me or pj and you will kill WD or pj since you are so certain I am the mutant. Depending on luck and who pj saves we may be stuck in the same scenario tomorrow or in a 2 -1 if you die or a 1 1 1 if I or pj die.

"The simple fact that both WD and I are pushing against you makes us both town and mutant."

Seriously? That simple? I don't even know why we're arguing, is this a show for PJ? We both know what's going on here.

I said despite what you are saying. I think it is pretty clear that both WD and me think each other is the mutant. If one of us was the last lizard then we would be pushing/voting each other. Am I right or not?

It's not like I can convince you I'm town, you already know it but your life depends on you refuting it.

Well, PJ seemed like he was intending on coming back before the end this time, so I don't think we should count this a tie vote just yet. I'm going back over everything I have taken as notes to see if there's any chance that I'm mixing up y2k's and guak's alignments. Still, I'm pretty sure we have it right with y2k being the last lizard. Can't hurt to triple check conclusions though.

Actually I do not. There is of course one more scenario possible. That WD is the last lizard and he has played us perfectly. If so, expect him to move his vote towards me late. I think that would be a telling sign that he is the last lizard and should be an alert for both you and y2k. I am either town or mutant, and I can give a 100% guarantee that if I die today the town loses.

Am I supposed to go WIFOM on your "pretty clear" assumption there? I know what I know, obviously you can't convince me I am what I'm not, so I really don't know what we're doing here. All I'm trying to do is convince the mutant that he can win by getting the lizard killed. If the mutant (which I'm fairly certain is Warden) agrees with that, and he really thinks I'm the lizard, then I guess that's an acceptable stance, even with the wrong read. If he's doing this to force us into the no-one-wins scenario, I'm more disappointed by that, but so be it.

I think the odds of this are quite unlikely though. I agree with Warden that we have it right and that y2k is indeed the last lizard.

LOL wait guak....you're saying you're town or mutant now? You're not adamant that you're town? Isn't that EXACTLY what PJ said the lizard would do, flip from town-claim to mutant-claim?

And Warden, it really does sound like you think me = lizard and guak = govt. You do have that backwards.

@y2k: I know what I know and I know I am not a lizard. I also happen to know that I am not mutant, but I am perfectly aware that claim is much more shaky. I have repeatedly stated my defense as to why I am not the lizard and have countered successfully every point raised against me. On the other hand, I am still waiting for you to defend yourself against all the scum tells I pointed out. If you are not the lizard, then why are you refusing to see the possibility that I could be the mutant and not WD? It is a 50-50 chance, yet you make it out like it is 95 - 5. Also, worth noting, the mutant is as interested in finding the last lizard as the last townie am. This means that you should care about other's opinions besides pj, that is unless you are lizard. More evidence that you are lizard I guess.

Yes, and Warden is very interested in finding the last lizard, and he thinks it's me. You're the one with your self-proclaimed amazing argument proving you aren't lizard, and are floating around the idea that you could be mutant with the thought that I would grab onto that and agree to lynch Warden. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. If you are the mutant, say so, enough of this bullshit, I know you aren't govt. PJ may not know, but I sure as fuck know.

By making your claim vague, you simultaneously allow me to entertain lynching Warden, while also allow Warden to honestly still believe you are potentially govt. Very, very slick.

No response? I figured as much. You can't honestly claim govt or mutant :). As govt, I can't even fathom why I would posit the idea that I could be the mutant.

Online for last 30mins. Just catching ip

I have already claimed I am government repeatedly. But so has WD and so have you. Your whole case against me is based on the fact that you expect us to believe you just because you claim to be government. That is BS. I have at least made quite an effort to prove I am town.

so help me out with why you want me to entertain the idea that you're the mutant

To me you and WD are both 50% lizard. If you are not that makes you the mutant, and as mutant you need to entertain the possibility that WD is lizard, which is something you have not done. I am just saying it in those terms because clearly you have failed to consider the possibility that I am not lizard, which is the actual scenario.