Also: "It's possible Guak could be scum, but I do agree the probability is lower."

My post was a joke and this is completely wrong. The odds of Guak being scum for the last two games are 1, because he was scum for the last two games. Guak has as much of a chance of being scum as everyone else.

Considering I joked around for a page, and everyone else joked around for a page, I fail to understand how 1 - 1 = 1.5. I still don't think that over the last two pages I've been that erratic, to be honest.

@DL: Yes, you anchored and said you left. I've been on this whole time and about twenty minutes or so later you posted. It doesn't seem like a long amount of time to me hence the emphasis.

As I said I thought the thd answers about italy were odd, but I don't think replying to a forum mafia game with an emote is appropriate post to progress the conversation in any way.

We are now on page 4. For the first third of the game or onto page 2 I believe you said you were 'joking'. That is a significant amount of the early game. So for the first page and into the second by your own admission you were joke posting. That is about a third to half of the first three pages so I don't know how that is false. Please explain how that is false. If you want I can count your posts until you said you were ending joke posting and then count the ones you made after and we can get an actual count of your posts both before you stopped joke posting and then after.

I said I was joking for the first page. It's obvious I wasn't joking after that. Everybody else was joking for the first page. 1 - 1 = 0. I still don't understand where 1.5 came from.

When did you say the thd answers about italy were odd? You can't say that I concentrated weirdly on them AND they were odd when I made two or three posts on the subject.

@DL: Last post of page three in brackets in a response to you. Not everyone was joking on page 1. I wasn't I said good game. How was I joking? Please explain?

I was simply agreeing they were strange/odd. I noted it, but haven't posted about it yet. Would like to see more from thd before I do.

Oh oops, I found the quote. Disregard that sentence.

I concede that using an emote probably wasn't a good idea, but using it as evidence that I was joking around is odd. I was using it to convey emotion. That's kind of the point of an emote. Where do you think they got the name from?

I honestly don't understand your point here. Your quote was not:

"You posted significantly more joke posts than real posts."

It was this:

"You joked for at least a page and a half more so than anyone else really."

And that is blatantly wrong.

I didn't actually mean joking, sorry. I meant that on pg1 nobody posted anything of substance. There were "glhf"s and there were jokeposts. Nothing actually happened until pg2. The first non-joke fos was my fos of thdfrance early page two.

@DL: Okay about the emote and okay about the first page conversation. Still here is a record of your posts up to page 4 (page 4 not included) in this since my 1.5 number came before page 4.

DL: 10 joke posts through Page 2, DL posts they are ending joking on Page 1. BUT, posts emote on Page 2, OB is Pro Ninja (what is this, joke?) on Page 2, Oh oops post on Page 2 (fluff). That is a total of 13 joke posts-to no progression posts through Page 2.

DL: Contribution posts or Explanation of DL action posts: 13 posts beginning on Page 2 through Page 3.

Total until Page 4: 13 joke or no progression of conversation posts, 13 explanation of action or contribution posts partially beginning on Page 2. That is a 50/50 split hence 1.5 of 3 pages and where my number came from. Disclaimer* if i missed a post or two that would slightly alter this math.

I think you misinterpreted yourself. Your quote was this.

"You joked for at least a page and a half more so than anyone else really."

Everyone else joked around a page.

I did NOT joke around 2.5 pages.

The issue is that's a bad way to figure out how long I was jokeposting. I jokeposted very often on the first page, then realposted less often on pages two and three.

@DL: I never said you jokeposted for 2.5 pages, I said 1.5 and my post (above) on Page 4 explains my reasoning. I'm not re-posting it. Can you cite another player who jokeposted more throughout pages 1 and 2 than you? If so please tell and prove me wrong. You can't and you can't disprove my reasoning (above) so you make up a 2.5 number and falsely attribute it to me. This is all very scummy.

"You joked for at least a page and a half more so than anyone else really."

Everyone else joked around a page.

1 + 1.5 = 2.5

Also, here's an idea - instead of calculating how many jokeposts someone made, how many realposts someone made, and calculating 3*jokes/(jokes + real), why don't you just post how many pages I posted jokeposts on, which is one?

@DL: I don't quite understand your last two posts. You posted jokes (all) by your own admission on Page 1. Then on Page 2 you mostly made jokes or posts that did not progress the conversation (emote, oops post, ob is ninja post). On Page 2-3 you started explaining your actions/vig shot debate. That is not 2.5 pages of jokes. I never said that. I said 1.5 (first page by your admission and posts on page 2 by what I said were jokes) that is one and a half pages not two and a half pages.

Until you adequately explain the following I am voting you because I think you are acting extremely defensive and falsely accusing me of saying 2.5.

1) Where do you get 2.5 from?
2) Explain the post you made on page 2 about OB being a ninja.
3) Explain who posted more jokes than you and how I am wrong.
4) Explain how you have positively advanced the conversation in this game about potential scum and why you made so many posts that did not positively advance the game, but only mired it in ridiculous back and forth's like this entire page. Until you explain those points I am ##VOTE DEATHLlama9.

1.) You said I post 1.5 more pages of jokes than everyone else. On average everyone joked around for page one. Therefore to post 1.5 more pages than everyone else, I would need to post 1.5 + 1 pages of jokes.
2.) I meant to say something, OB said it before me, therefore OB is a ninja? What is there to explain?
3.) You are wrong because you are calculating pages using a formula instead of JUST COUNTING THE PAGES. IF YOU JUST COUNT THE PAGES, I POSTED 1 TO 1.5 PAGES OF FLUFF. THAT IS NOT 1.5 MORE PAGES THAN EVERYONE ELSE. EVEN USING YOUR FORMULA, THAT IS NOT 1.5 MORE PAGES THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
3.) How are you wrong? I posted a ton of jokes on page one, yes. After that I posted some useful posts on pages 2-4.
4.) This is ridiculous. You've been the one pushing this entire conversation, you've been the one tunneling all over me for no apparent reason. Have you ignored all of my posts? How have I started whatever tf this entire page was. I have only been defending myself. You have answered almost none of my points and continue to persist with your ridiculous formula.

The tunnel vision is strong with this one. I have some points for you, and then I'm going to bed and letting somebody else reprimand us for whatever the last page is supposed to be.

1. " that did not positively advance the game, but only mired it in ridiculous back and forth's like this entire page." How can you say that I started this argument?

2. Instead of just counting how many pages I fillered for (1.25), why are you insisting on using your formula which, frankly, is kind of useless when we can just count pages?

3. Why are you so tunnelly? How is this helping the town?

4. Are you even reading my posts?

Lots of tunneling, I agree. ND and DL be cognizant of the fact that people aren't going to read your shit if there is too much of it.

1. Sorry, no. I simply stated on Pg. 3 that you went back and forth and then answered your prompt. You continued to prompt my explanations. I didn't start this, I made an observation, you choose to continue to prod me with questions to explain myself. I did.

2) I said it was math not a formula. It's very basic math all you have to do is count. Formulas are more complex. I keep telling you that I counted your posts on Page 1 and some on Page 2 which were not advancing the conversation. That is where I got my 1.5 number (first page and half of second). You have now attributed a 2.5 number to me falsely. If you read my posts you will see my reasoning and I never said you made two and a half pages of jokes. I keep telling you it was page 1 and part of page 2.
3) I don't know how I am tunneling when I am explaining myself to you as stated in point 1 of this reply. As I explain you continue to act defensively and this defense culminated in a massive all caps reply. I have never seen that in this forum mafia game before so I must be on to something and touched a nerve.
4) Yes I am reading them. I don't think you are reading mine. Example you asked me to explain myself when I said thd was acting odd and I linked you page to page 3 where I said he was acting strange. It's clear you are not reading my posts and just making stuff up as you go along.

@uclabb: That's fair I guess I mean this really did get out of hand. Still I gained some useful information from it which allowed me to vote very early on day 1.

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The best explanation I can give for singling out LittleItlay is that I saw his name first and it came to mind that I did not recognize it. But, extending my earlier question about experience to wjessop, Brankl, ND, as well as LittleItlay: What (if any) previous mafia experience do you have?

I played in the previous match game 8 and on other platforms.

Gotcha. I skipped 8, which is probably why I didn't recognize you.

Alright, I'm back. Things for people:

@thd, ND played last game... You've done a nice job of only talking to people who don't appear to be here. Care to involve yourself in other discussions?

@uclabb, you're doing the captainmeme thing. Stop. We're likely to lose you after a day anyway. Contribute while you're here.

@ND, DL, why does it fucking matter how much jokeposting there was. There was some jokeposting at the beginning. Now there's less. That's what happens every game. ND, how do you see it as at all scum indicative? DL, why are you being so defensive? Both of you, why are you limiting your argument solely to this topic when there's a bunch of other stuff to talk about.

@wjessop, you're going to ignore me because of "rude language"? That ain't gonna work. I'll repeat, politely since you insist: why did you single out DL's persecution of thd and ignore mine.

@others, contribute more.

Day 1 Official Vote Count 1.0:

Hellenic Riot (1) - Chaqa
Chaqa (1) - Hellenic Riot
thdfrance (1) - ghug
uclabb (1) - uclabb
DeathLlama9 (1) - ND
UNVOTE (1) - DeathLlama9
NOT VOTED (10) - OB_Gyn_Kenobi, wjessop, Yoyoyozo, Brankl, thdfrance, Captainmeme, Maniac, guak, LittleItaly

CURRENTLY NO ONE IS SET TO BE LYNCHED.

Gooooooooood morning fellow Jedi and a very baaaaaaaaad morning to scum, unless I'm Anakin: then goooooooood luck to whichever side I end up on.

I would firstly like to state categorically my Jedi credentials. Both my sons listed themselves as Jedi in the last census and, as far as I'm aware, all Jedi have Jedi fathers so I must be a Jedi QED.

New players, I'm working on assumption that you are either coached or don't need coaching so want proffer any advice save to stress how important it is for town power roles to remain hidden usually only revealing themselves if the hangman's noose is near.

Good to see capt contributing. I trust that whomever has been selected as our Vig will take his role seriously and doesn't need my guidance, do whatever you feel to be correct.

I sense, and I put it no higher than that, that the DL/ND skirmish may prove useful.

I'm interested in wjessop's comment to Ghug refusing to engage in rude language and ghug's response. Wjessop's comment tells me he either has VERY strong views on profanity or he testing Ghug and Ghug in my eyes just failed. I think town Ghug wouldn't roll over so meekly whereas mafia Ghug would not wish to offend. As such my first scum read is Ghug. Vote ##ghug.

Big anchoring post, I'm in court next few days (as a witness) so am working around that, also my laptop is not connecting to internet so everything is of iPad. Don't expect me to be so wordy, but I will, of course, meet my post requirements.

*Won't proffer (for the record typo corrections shouldn't be counted towards minimum post count.....cough uclabb)

@Maniac, what's with the opening? Super nervous, overfreiendly "good luck"ing, and a claim that you have children, something not allowed within the Jedi order?

The language thing doesn't really indicate anything to me other than that he has a stick up his ass, and I'd rather have constructive dialogue than bicker about linguistic righteousness. I'd like my question answered.

@ghug - yes I have children. If you're seeking to expose my lack of Star Wars knowledge, I'm afraid you won't have to look too hard. Please don't use the word 'ass' in future communications with me, bottom is allowed but posterior is prefered. On no account should one use 'buttocks' as it offends my English ears.

@ghug - I get that you meekly acquiescing to wjessop's comment is in long run the best response, there is no point you being intransigent if wjessop really does feel strongly about swearing, what stiles me though is that you gave in so quickly. I know you like to push, probe and pressure players early on when you're town and think townGhug would've used wjessop's comment as an opening for you to engage and pressure him about his stance.