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Scmoo472 (1933 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
First game back in months....Turned out
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=78396
Country: Italy, Status: 4-way draw, Position: Tied for 1st
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Ninjanrd (100 D)
20 Jan 12 UTC
Midwest US/ Chicago Team for the wDWC
Recruiting is fun! Let's see if we can't get a team going from this area. If you are sick and tired of the wDWC filling up the forum, go ahead and mute this.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
21 Jan 12 UTC
Friday Night Classic redux gameID=78372
You jackasses started a game without me!
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dubmdell (556 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
Have Gunboat, Will Travel EoG
Gentlemen, please post your thoughts inside.
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flc64 (1963 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
Mod Help
I need assistance from a Mod, please post the email address.
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Disraeli (427 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
In the World Diplomacy map, are the Panama Canal and Suez Canal functional?
Can you land a fleet from one side and then launch from the other?
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King Atom (100 D)
20 Jan 12 UTC
Well, I'm Back...Again.
My sitter seemed to do a pretty good job, but it looks like I might screw all of that up.
Anyways, the past few seconds I've been on here, I've only realized how big of a douche each of you are. Once I finish my games...I'm pretty sure I'm not coming back.
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HeidelbergKid (130 D)
16 Jan 12 UTC
Suggested Map
I'd like to suggest a map to add as an alternative to the Classic Diplomacy, the Ancient Mediterranean, or the Global map. I found it the same place the other two were found. It's called "Canton Diplomacy", and it takes place in Asia.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
16 Jan 12 UTC
WebDip league?
Did anything come of it or did it die out at some point?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
20 Jan 12 UTC
Need replacement Ghana, good position.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
20 Jan 12 UTC
Hilarious Commercial Thread
I have to start this...because I've just seen...well...

WHY Does William Shatner keep falling off bridges to his death? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O92ZbSAftuI&feature=player_embedded
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2ndWhiteLine (2591 D(B))
18 Jan 12 UTC
Northeast USA WC Team
Post interest below.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jan 12 UTC
Headlines that state the Obvious
I loved this one
Exclusive: Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says
Really? An ex-wife doesn't endorse her former husband for the presidency?
I bet she doesn't endorse him for dog catcher or school janitor either.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
20 Jan 12 UTC
Game ID=78269
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=78269
In an anonymous, no chat, wta game Austria and Italy coordinated all of their moves. Also 2 of the 7 teams didn't turn up. Is it possible to register as 4 players. I'm hazarding a guess that all 4 of the players are one and the same person. Any thoughts from any forum members, nobody likes cheats, it spoils the games and devalues the website. Is this a common occurrence?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
19 Jan 12 UTC
Bye, points EoG gameID=75444
Please post your EoG here.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Jan 12 UTC
TEAM CALIFORNIA...ASSEMBLE!
We need three more, folks...

I'm up for any slot, Gunboat or Public Press or Regular, so all slots are open...let's get a team together and lead The Golden State to World Cup Gold! :)
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
19 Jan 12 UTC
I just lost 1000D in one game.
I'm fucked.
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
20 Jan 12 UTC
Since I have only 107D left to lose...
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=78293
Anonymous WTA.
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Onar (131 D)
20 Jan 12 UTC
Another Writing Thread
Well, I remember sending out my writing a while back, and no one ever got back to me about it. Was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it, and/or had anything they wanted to have read(and critiqued)?
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
19 Jan 12 UTC
EOG for Live Gunboat 168
In which we have the option of discussing Austria's win, and why France allowed it to happen.
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Snowman (187 D)
19 Jan 12 UTC
Tactical Sim
I think it would be a really great feature to be able to run a tactical simulation - set up the board however you want, enter moves for multiple countries and see them adjudicated. Basically to have the option of playing against yourself on your own board. I think it would be really useful, both for new players getting the hang of basic tactics and for veterans who want to see how various strategies play out over multiple rounds. What say you, webDiplomacy?
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
17 Jan 12 UTC
All the good candidates are dropping out
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/worldview/huntsmans-exit-may-seal-romneys-fate-in-gop-race/article2303927/

First Johnson and then Huntsman, Romney is the only good candidate left :(
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The point of this:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/29/AbandonThread.gif

Is to go "jesus why do we have to have this nonsense in this movement," because I don't think anyone is more miffed at being associated with conspiratorial nonsense than the people who don't believe a word of it but get associated with it anyway.

You'll pardon me if I take a rather pragmatic approach to it: Whatever twisted logic compels them to vote for Ron, sure, whatever, vote for him, please. Just don't be disappointed when absolutely none of the conspiracy silliness that compelled you to make that vote in the first place happens.

I mean, it's not like Paul is going to earmark $10 trillion for Reptilian Missile Defense Systems. If the man himself very clearly does not indulge in conspiracies like that, what does it matter that those who do vote for him?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
O.o

The man thinks the UN is out to steal the US's money supply!

How is that not indulging a loony conspiracy theory...

"Whatever twisted logic compels them to vote for Ron, sure, whatever, vote for him, please. Just don't be disappointed when absolutely none of the conspiracy silliness that compelled you to make that vote in the first place happens."

So we're encouraging conspiracy nuts now to vote on the strength of their conspiracy beliefs, now, regardless of the fact that they and their theories are nuts...

I'm sorry, Eden, but you're a SCIENTIST...I mean, how can you support the same candidate as a bunch of crackpots, and no, I'm sorry, there is no nice term for such people, and even if there were, they are undeserving of it--crackpots!

I thought you valued rationale...when a SUBSTANTIAL portion of a candidates base are irrational conspiracy nuts and extremist, what does that tell you about the candidate himself?

I don't get it, I really don't get it...

Obama's birth certificate and citizenship and religion are allowed to be scrutinized and charged and slandered and Birther conspiracy theories are allowed to prevail against him, ANY criticism, no matter how baseless, is fodder...

BUT if anyone DARES call Ron Paul one one of the DOZEN or so skeletons in his closet-army of conspiracy theory supporters, racism, newsletters, the whole "The UN will steal our money!" thing, eschewing Oil for Gold and confounding the current economic world, taking antiquated 18th century notions of a small agrarian state where people are largely self-sufficient and can live off the land into a 21st century superpower that can be attacked in minutes at any time in an interconnected, interdependent globalized world, saying the Civil Rights Act didn't promote equality and freedom, alienating other nations from the US anymore by picking a xenophobe, OR cutting department after department, Education, Energy, the Federal Reserve, as if this were the 1820s again and he's Andrew Jackson trying to destroy the Bank of the US and de-regulate everything back to a level that would make Upton Sinclair cringe anew, take your pick!--and SUDDENLY...

NO!

How DARE you make such a HASTY attack on Ron Paul, Dr. Ron Paul, Saint and Savior of American Politics since America went from "Change We Can Believe In!" to "Fuck It, The Government Sucks, Let's Just Vote In The Guy Who Says 'This Sucks and Jefferson Was Great and So Vote Me To the Office I've Repeatedly Called Corruptible Because it SURE WON'T CORRUPT ME, NO SIR!"

Really?

REALLY?

This has to stop, it just has to...a Ron Paul supporter can seemingly defend ANYTHING about him...I find that baffling, I don, I don't care if I'm overreacting here...that's absurd!

How does a NORMAL politician get called on the tiniest slip-up...but all THOSE monsters are OK with you, there's an explanation for all of them that's 100% satisfactory, no matter how stretched they are and no matter how many other skeletons are found??????
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
I want to know...answer me THIS, Ron Paul Supporters:

WHAT WILL IT TAKE?

Serious question, dead serious:

You can seemingly cope with all of THOSE above skeletons, and even one of those could sink any other candidate...

So I want to know what would be a deal-breaker for Ron Paul.

What would it take to break your devotion to this man?
What will it take?
What?

And please don't give "If he starts acting like a 'normal'" politician, or "If he acts like Obama/Romney/Insert Political Joke Here" because:

1. That's dodging the question, I want to know, honestly, what would be a real deal-breaker, if racism, newsletters, conspiracy theories, outdated ideas, alienating the world, blasting the Civil Rights Act, and essentially going against centuries of progress isn't going to do it...what's WOULD do it, and

2. HE IS A GODDAMN POLITICIAN LIKE ALL THE REST OF THEM, HE'S A CONGRESSMAN, FOR FUCK'S SAKE DON'T GIVE ME THAT "HE'S AN OUTSIDER" CRAP, HE'S BEEN IN THIS GAME FOR DECADES NOW! GIVE ME A BREAK! >:(

*Rage over*
Fasces349 (0 DX)
17 Jan 12 UTC
"China earns a pittance on its US treasuries, so the idea that it is funding its military through interest on US debt is absurd. Social Security pays for itself. Medicare is not nearly as imperiled as you make it sound. Every election year the GOP raises hysterical cries about how entitlements are broke or bankrupt, because they hate the fact that they work."
Since when has excess government spending and pushing off payments to future generations worked?

"Now, whilst on one level we'd be sad to see you go from the U.N., on another level it might be nice if you left. I mean, you've basically stopped paying your membership fees, you never listen to us anyway, and it might be nice to actually be able to pass a decent resolution once in a while. And anyway, we'll still be here when you get back/if you change your mind."
I call bullshit, the US pays more money to the UN, WBO, WHO etc. then any other nation.

"Well said, Thucy.

Over-optimistic, and it almost never lives up to the goals it sets for itself...but still, it's a good thing to have, and leaving it WOULD be a step backward...

For God's sake, we have VETO POWER in the UN...why should we leave?

Oh.
Right.
Ron Paul says he fears it may take over the US money supply.
Yes.
Another example of why, clearly, Ron Paul is the SANE choice..."
agree, lol

"I hate the guy as much as any political candidate ever (I mean, I'd take BUSH over this guy, that's how much I hate him) and even I think that's a rather ridiculous charge..."
I'd take Paul over Obama, thats thedifference.

"Might as well address the "he'll let states execute gays" thing because that's so egregiously ridiculous and I'm addressing things anyway.

First of all, Paul's defended the right to privacy as an instrumental part of American civil rights. I would like to see the source of that quote, because it seems to fly right in the face of his own past arguments.

Secondly, whether Paul likes it or not, sodomy laws got wiped out by the Supreme Court, so even if he would want to see states legislate such laws, he has no chance at that happening.

Thirdly, even if there were such a chance, Paul has personally come out against the death penalty, so if all else were to fail (which is already impossible) then there STILL wouldn't be execution of anyone, gays included."
I'd be surprised if anyony took Putins responses to Paul seriosly. There is so much ammo to slam him with, and you make up facts???

"I'm not sure how national interest is backwards. States (as political entities, not states as in states of the US, etc.) do not act benevolently; I don't think it's particularly wise to trust them to do the right thing. They can be trusted to meet objectives the success of which directly benefits them. Hence, national interest."
We could say the same thing about politicians not being trustworthy. (this is where my semi-fascist views come in) This is where Foucault comes in handy. His book crime and punishment (and the idea of Big Brother from 1984) is a good way to keep people in check. If people think they are accountable to their actions, they will act better then they would if they weren't. The idea that someone is watching you at all times, would make you less likely to conduct criminal behaviour and be more generous to your peers, knowing full well that any mistake you make will be held against you. The UN has this sort of accountability. By bringing all the worlds leaders together and having a center stage to crtitize your peers, governments will be less likely to commit atrocities, if you didn't have to defend your actions on the world stage, genocide and war would be much easier to commit. It is the sense of security, and fall sense of accountability that make the world a more peaceful place.

In reality there is little to no punishment from crossing the UN (as shown in Syria and Iran) but people still don't risk it.

"What does the Department of Energy do? The question of funding it has nothing to do with Constitutionality and everything to do with the fact that it acts more as oil corporate welfare than an effective funding source for alternative energy. Defunding it reduces the gap in funding between oil production and alternative energy production."
I'm not really entirely sure what DE does, all I know is Ron Paul is the only candidate wanting to cut it (Perry says he wants to cut 3 programs, but doesn't know which 3). In my oppinion there should be no government funding towards either Oil or Renewable Energy, but there still needs to be a government agency to regulate the market so the Oil companies (its an oligopoly, not a free market) taking advantage of the elasticity of Oil shot the price of oil up.

"What is this about compromising? He has said he wants to audit it before he did anything relating to abolishing it. If he wants to abolish it... isn't that, you know, a compromise? And again, what does it matter if he won't compromise on this issue? I have a feeling there will be a veto-proof majority to defend the Fed from abolition."
Its not just about the departments. The example of tax increases to spending cuts, he will never compromise on any issue with the democrats and the deadlock would continue.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
17 Jan 12 UTC
As for Obis last two responses, I never thought I would agree with Obi on an issue like this lol
"So we're encouraging conspiracy nuts now to vote on the strength of their conspiracy beliefs, now, regardless of the fact that they and their theories are nuts..."

Nah, I'm encouraging them to vote for my guy because I want my guy to win because I think my guy has the best idea for America of the guys running. If they were supporting Romney, Obama, etc. I would kindly encourage them to stay home.

"I'm sorry, Eden, but you're a SCIENTIST...I mean, how can you support the same candidate as a bunch of crackpots, and no, I'm sorry, there is no nice term for such people, and even if there were, they are undeserving of it--crackpots!

I thought you valued rationale...when a SUBSTANTIAL portion of a candidates base are irrational conspiracy nuts and extremist, what does that tell you about the candidate himself?"

I've never understood the rationale that says "A candidate is only as sane as the most insane of the people that vote for him." You could seriously apply this logic to every candidate and all of them would suck. Obama would be a radical Black Panther bent on executing every white person in America, Romney would be a fascist nutjob that wants corporations to control every motion of your life, Santorum would compel the US to holy war against every other state in the world for the glory of God...

Do you see why I don't bother with that? I look to the ideas themselves and while I certainly don't agree with Paul on a lot of things, I still find that his vision for America and the ideas he espouses to get us there are the best available; and, as the current leader of the libertarian resurgence in America, support for him stands more for support for the ideology, in the hope that eventually a candidate I would actually REALLY like, a Gary Johnson, for example, could have a legitimate chance at victory.

"Obama's birth certificate and citizenship and religion are allowed to be scrutinized and charged and slandered and Birther conspiracy theories are allowed to prevail against him, ANY criticism, no matter how baseless, is fodder..."

Huh? I think Birthers and Truthers are ridiculous. And I know some of them vote for Paul. Where is this applying to me or, indeed, any reasonable Paul supporter?

<list of the same tired canards which have very frequently been the result of misrepresentation, thoroughly explained on this forum, to no avail>

<tired response to tired canards, repeating the same things which have been said before on this forum, to no avail>

"what would be a deal-breaker for Ron Paul."

Aside from dead obvious answers (dead hookers in the trunk, that kinda shit) couldn't tell you. All I can say is that (a) the line certainly exists, (b) it hasn't been crossed yet, and (c) I don't really see the point of this hypothetical, because if it happens, it will happen and I'll swear off of him, and if it doesn't happen, then I see no reason to sit around compiling a list of things he'd have to do for me not to vote for him.

Also, no, he's not your typical politician. inb4rage
@fasces:

I'm confused. You make the argument that politicians and government can't be trusted to do the right thing, and then argue for fascism as a valid approach to governance of a just society, as though people who can't be trusted to do the right thing should receive absolute jurisdiction to decide whether people are doing the right thing.

My point was that as states cannot be trusted to do the right thing, on account of having ridiculously vested interests, that they not be trusted with any more power than is absolutely necessary for a functional society, and that individual people - who certainly have upright moral compasses, but do not have the substantial financial incentive to disregard those compasses - can for themselves make just decisions in society. What little a state should do internationally is advance what is broadly referred to as the national interest: what would allow the nation best to remain a free and just society. Entangling it with humanitarian aid and military obligations to regions far, far away - aid which is often wasted at the hands of third-world tyrants, obligations which often serve only further to erode peaceful relations abroad - does not advance this national interest.

Your analogue between the fascist state and the UN is not only flawed, in that the UN lacks the teeth to enforce what it finds against America (whereas the fascist state certainly does not lack such teeth against individuals), but also repugnant, as the UN should not seek to be a fascist superstate, and the US would be well within its moral and political right to withdraw from such a corrupt institution.

As for the DoE: why do you need an additional regulatory body? Antitrust functions are the rightful purview of government.

And on compromise regarding taxes... did not every single candidate left, Romney included, pledge on multiple occasions not to raise new taxes? And, furthermore, knowing this, would not Paul, who is the only candidate who coupled this pledge with a willingness to cut military spending, still be a better choice?
"Huh? I think Birthers and Truthers are ridiculous. And I know some of them vote for Paul. Where is this applying to me or, indeed, any reasonable Paul supporter?"

Because PE, since a considerable part of your base are birthers or truthers or birtchers, if your guy gets elected they will have some power in his administration. The fact that you are not bat shit insane does not mean that your guy won't be listening to his bat shit insane supporters which he has quite a few.
"Because PE, since a considerable part of your base are birthers or truthers or birtchers, if your guy gets elected they will have some power in his administration."

That seems like a rather huge assumption to make. First of all, I'm not sure how "considerable" this portion really is. Oftentimes the most extreme and smallest minority is one of the most vocal. I think, given my interactions with most Paul supporters, that it's actually a reasonable claim to make that the large majority of Paul supporters *aren't* conspiracy nuts and, indeed, dissociate from them as much as possible.

Secondly, why would Paul - who has, more than once, called both the Birther and Truther conspiracies nonsense - sabotage his political standing by putting someone who holds such ridiculous thoughts, thoughts he doesn't himself hold, in positions of power?

Again, this seems like saying the Obama administration is full of radical communists and black nationalist warriors. Not even (most of) Fox News is foolish enough to make that claim. You're not going to outdo Fox News, are you?
The John Birch Society considers Ron Paul their man, the American Communists do not support Barrack Obama. The statements are not alike at all.
No, the logic is the exact same. The logic is "The candidate is only as sane, and his policies as sane, as the least common denominator of his supporters." Whether his insane supporters are more or less organized really is not the point; the entire argument is an enormous fallacy.
No one is a outright lie, the other is fact. Your candidate has openly solicited support from the far right. He went on a conspiracy radio show and when asked why he won't tell the truth about 9/11, instead of correcting the host his response was "I have too much on my plate." Now he has a chance for taking the mainstream republican party he and his newfound supporters (you) try to sanitize his record. Too bad his years of flirting with the far right is well documented.
Wait, you're saying that there are no communist supporters of Obama? You... have been checking the forum, yes?

And yes, he has pandered to them before. Knowing full well that he has no chance of ever doing anything related to those conspiracies... I'm not ignoring the fact that he's pandered to the far-right before, what I've been arguing this entire time is that there is no way he's going to actually try to do anything involving those conspiracies.

Is that valid, or not?
You mean besides the fact that his platform is almost identical to that of the Jon Birch Society itself, which in turn is based on those conspiracies.

Look Eden, I do not doubt you have good intentions. A few major policy changes and awful associations I too might consider myself a Libertarian. I agree that a RESPONSIBLE libertarian social and foreign policy (ie. avoiding conflict and holding our allies accountable rather than playing cut and run) is the right thing to do. The bottom line, however, is that you seem to not understand your movement itself has one foot in the 21st century and one foot in the muck of the 19th. You guys get that cleaned out and I might have some respect for it.
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
First off, I can't believe I opened this thread.

Second, Why did I keep reading?

Third, against all warning bells, why am I posting??

Regardless of my blatant idiocy and disregard for my own sanity and time, here goes:

Are arguments seriously being put forward that PE should stop supporting RP simply because he has what you believe to be some damaging associations? Should PE say, "You know what, you're absolutely right, fuck my beliefs, I'll vote for the candidate that has the least slime on him. Guess I have to vote for Romney, or even Obama once the general election gets underway."

If I have Liberian beliefs, why should I not support a candidate who has those same beliefs? I was a Johnson supporter before he dropped out, and Paul is now closest to my beliefs. I disagree with him on numerous issues, but I disagree with the other candidates more or on more significant issues and I disagree with Obama on just about everything he does.

I'll tout the policies and issues that I believe RP has correct, thank you despite the fact that I'll be called a Right wing nut job and conspiracy theorist..

Yes some slime matters, and if RP had that slime on him I'd drop support for him but not for the issues I believe he has correct. Most of the slime thrown about in politics carries a significant weight in public opinion and matters not a whit in terms of real impact on policy or actual politcal outcomes.
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
damn spell checker.. Liberian should read Libertarian..

Tolstoy (1962 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
"The John Birch Society considers Ron Paul their man"

Oh, please... the JBS has about 14 members left.

"the American Communists do not support Barrack Obama."

Actually, Obama has the official endorsement of the CPUSA. But for some reason, no one counts this as a strike against him, while we hear nonstop that some white supremacists endorse Ron Paul (while others strongly oppose him because Dr. Paul "refuses" to tell "the truth" in their eyes). Why is that?

"He went on a conspiracy radio show and when asked why he won't tell the truth about 9/11, instead of correcting the host his response was "I have too much on my plate." Now he has a chance for taking the mainstream republican party he and his newfound supporters (you) try to sanitize his record. Too bad his years of flirting with the far right is well documented."

I thought trutherism was a far left anti-Bush smear? Now with a democrat in office, it's a "far right" thing. This explains a lot about what's wrong with American politics. Dr. Paul's position is that we aren't getting the whole truth. Several members of the 9/11 commission have said the same thing. Does thinking you're not getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth really enough to make one a tinfoil hatter? Are we obligated to believe everything the government tells us, and never have any doubts?
Who says PE has to drop him, I for one am responding to smug RP supporters who continually portray a closet rightwing whackjob who is in bed with out of the closet right wing whackjobs as some messiah. I am not allowed to do this? And who ever claimed PE was the same as those right wing whack jobs, I for one have said the opposite several times.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
" The bottom line, however, is that you seem to not understand your movement itself has one foot in the 21st century and one foot in the muck of the 19th."

The Enlightenment was born in the 17th century. I have no reservations whatsoever about having one foot "stuck in the 17th century", if that's what supporting (most of) the ideals of the Enlightenment means.
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
Likewise, are we obliged to believe the media (everything not labeled a right wing rag, or Fox News, Heritage Foundation, etc.) is telling us the pure unadulterated truth with no bias whatsoever?
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
Was PE proclaiming RP as a Messiah? I thought that the left wing media portrayed Obama as the anointed one with his orgasmic hope and change campaign of 2008...
"The Enlightenment was born in the 17th century. I have no reservations whatsoever about having one foot "stuck in the 17th century", if that's what supporting (most of) the ideals of the Enlightenment means. "

Yes and the amber hued visions of the past you surely espouse likely ignore the fact that limited government was directly antithetical to the liberty of all but a small group of americans for the first two hundred years of our nation's history. But lets give it another go!

"Likewise, are we obliged to believe the media (everything not labeled a right wing rag, or Fox News, Heritage Foundation, etc.) is telling us the pure unadulterated truth with no bias whatsoever?"

And who exactly said that? Am I obliged to believe that a man who send out racist and antisemitic newsletters to his racist and antisemitic supporters knew nothing of it because Fox News and a minion of college kids barely alive at the time tell me it was all a big mistake?
"Was PE proclaiming RP as a Messiah? I thought that the left wing media portrayed Obama as the anointed one with his orgasmic hope and change campaign of 2008..."

And how exactly is that different from what is in this thread about Ron Paul. What? Because you are al hard nosed right wingers your messiahs are true?
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
Dude, because I or PE support a candidate, that doesn't me we think he is a messiah.

Funny I don't remember attributing the media comment to anyone.. Seems it was a reply seconding and expanding Tolstoy's comments about truth.

I never asked you to support Ron Paul or believe anything about him..
You didn't even post in this thread, wtf are you even on about?
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
You must have missed my first post as to why I even jumped in.

Summary:

It seemed to me after reading the last 2 pages of the thread that PE was being belittled for supporting a candidate that has right wing wacko's who support him. As a supporter of said same candidate I felt the inescapable desire to question why PE was being attacked.
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
17 Jan 12 UTC
So turning the tables, if you are an Obama supporter (at least over Ron Paul if they were the two candidates in the general election). What is your response to the CPUSA's support of Obama? Should you be called to account for that? Should PE or I be called to account for the fact that "The John Birch Society considers Ron Paul their man"?
Please compare CPUSA's platform and Obama's platform and then compare the JBS platform and your candidate's platform.
PE was attacked because he kept on brushing off the fact that your candidate has made a career of courting off the wall conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists. My point is that this is a big deal for the President of the United States, and I don't believe it is even comparable to anything we have seen in the modern era. I belittled your candidate not PE and over and over again said I do not lump PE in with that group but I feel his candidate is unacceptable because of those associations. I also belittled the assertions that Ron Paul's association with birthers, truthers, and Bildebergers among others is analogous to Barack Obama in anyway.
I should say comparable to a general election presidential candidate in the modern era (except perhaps Perot?), there are comparisons but they haven't won their party's nomination.

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Maniac (189 D(B))
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New Question Everyday
Just to keep the grey matter working (Note I really don't know the answer to some questions asked)
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Maniac (189 D(B))
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Maniac Invitational
Geofram; 2nd white line; Fulham-ish; Per Olander; Dan I am; Gobba
gameID=78270 WTA 101 bet - full press anon
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Vikesrussel (839 D)
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question on supporting moving
wondering. If i support move someone and someone attacks the support the support is cut. But what if if there is a Support hold on that Support unit does that support hold get taken 1st then the support move happens?
example
Sev Russ to Rumania
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DJEcc24 (246 D)
19 Jan 12 UTC
A question for those who may remember, or can help
Long ago i remember i found a korean diplomacy site. It was lie kthsi one. I cannot remember the name of it but wish to find it to invite some players to be a part of this years Webdiplomacy World Cup. anyone remember the site or can find it?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Rise of fascism in Europe?
Several political movements have appeared in Europe that are generally assembled under the common denominator "extreme right". Are they also fascist? Are they a threat to democratic stability?
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Flameofarnor (306 D)
19 Jan 12 UTC
Cheap Classic Diplomacy
10 D bet-ins gameID=78254
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Vikesrussel (839 D)
19 Jan 12 UTC
1 more question

Also 1 more question. If i happen to attack some place the person is support moving to that place but im also support moving to that place place.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
18 Jan 12 UTC
The Pillory
Let's put the names of those who NMR and CD in this thread, so we know whom to admit to our games.
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