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Jacob (2466 D)
24 Oct 11 UTC
Strategy or Tactics: Which is More Important?
So if strategy is long-term planning and tactics is how you move on any given turn which is the more important skill in y
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airborne (154 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
Question...
Is wanting to join the socialist party at any point in life normal?
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Check_mate (100 D)
22 Oct 11 UTC
Italy
Why does Italy struggle anad what can be done about it?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
23 Oct 11 UTC
why did the germans go on fighting??
just a curious question, is there any clear reason why the Germans kept on fighting when all was lost??
it was suicide while they could probably get a peace agreement...
did they do it because Hitler said so?? were they that loyal?? answers please...
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
The "I Hate Muslims" Thread
If you hate Muslims, please tell me why. I'm curious.
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Jamiet99uk (873 D)
22 Oct 11 UTC
Tax avoidance - the UK's national scandal
To all my fellow Brits, if you are within travelling distance of London and have a couple of hours free on Monday (24th Oct) I would strongly urge you to consider taking part in this event: http://www.ukuncut.org.uk/blog/time-to-resign
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Dan-i-Am 88 (348 D)
23 Oct 11 UTC
At the risk of inciting mass hysteria. . .
I happened over to OliDip or vDip or whatever it's called these days, and saw a variant to choose your own country. Is that something that may be implemented over here?
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
22 Oct 11 UTC
What's up with Diplomacy Cast?
I haven't been able to access the site for several days now. Anyone heard news?
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Yeoman (100 D)
23 Oct 11 UTC
Take over my games, please?
Is there any way to hand over games to someone else? I really don't want to play anymore. I have 3 games going on, one's pretty good, the others are ending.
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DonXavier (1341 D)
24 Oct 11 UTC
Join Diamond Dust
102 point buy in
24 hour turns
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=70661#gamePanel
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
22 Oct 11 UTC
Diplo standard notation
Hey everyone,
Beside the "X S Y-Z" and "Bla C Ank-Sev" type notation is there a standard notation for more complex moves such as, e.g.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
22 Oct 11 UTC
Trolls inevitably create threads to discuss threads that they are trolling.
I'm formulating zultar's thread rule.
Please discuss.
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
19 Oct 11 UTC
How the World Really Works XVIII
Could this happen? Can anyone defend Socialism in this thread dedicated to Greek debt? George Will is priceless, just how badly will Obama lose in 2012? Everyone knows that lower tax = more revenue, and these liberals who make Mythical victims can be spotted out with this guide to weak arguments and minds.
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DonXavier (1341 D)
23 Oct 11 UTC
Join Diamond Dust
102 point buy in
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http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=70661
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SuperSteve (894 D)
23 Oct 11 UTC
Don't games start when they are full?
I'm in a live game that is full, but says it will start in 5 hours? Huh?
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Cynical Naif (142 D)
22 Oct 11 UTC
Why does it count as a survive...
when one has 0 centers and x units left. Would it not make more sense to have games end after a build phase to avoid this?
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Ges (292 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Do you own a boardgame copy of Diplomacy?
As there have been some IP questions about WebDip recently, I thought it might be useful to have a survey of how many of us own a cardboard version of the game. If enough of us own the game, it might convince Big H lawyers (may they never come knocking) that WebDip is not really hurting sales of the game.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Oct 11 UTC
If You Could Only Choose One For Each Diplomacy Nation, the US, Japan, and China...
10 Categories: Television, Cinema, Literature/Theatre, Music, Fine Arts, Food and Drink, Architecture, Politics, Sports, and Cultural Holidays/Festivals...10 nations' offering of each, PAST AND PRESENT...

For each category, if you could chose only ONE nation to sample forevermore...who? Who has the best music? Literature? Drinks? ;)
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Zarathustra (3672 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
"Featured Games"
What is the idea behind the featured games? I can't search for them or look at a "Hall of Fame" equivalent for games.
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
21 Oct 11 UTC
Admit your (minor) sin
Today, I did a rolling stop at a four way intersection instead of fully stopping. God help us all...m
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swordsman3003 (14048 D(G))
21 Oct 11 UTC
delay of game: rude way to play?
Just asking for thoughts.
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
21 Oct 11 UTC
To start a rumor...
A "little bird" told me through the "grape vine" that Jacob might have the new i-phone which has access to webdiplomacy, and that he *might* be planning on joining a game or two really soon.
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Check_mate (100 D)
22 Oct 11 UTC
Those who just drew
id=70567 after two cd's, do you wanna start a Med or try another classic?
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spyman (424 D(G))
22 Oct 11 UTC
JDip or Realpolitik - problems installing
I am install these programs but I am not having any success. I don't know why this. I have installed them before and I never had any trouble previously.
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unique (340 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
FTF in SO CAl
I recently moved to Orange County and was wondering if anybody knows of any face to face going on in southern California. Any info would be appreciated!
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Macchiavelli (2856 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
TO MOD : why does this site permit hate literature?!
Can we seriously consider blocking or muting the people who post hate literature here? This is disgusting.
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
22 Oct 11 UTC
TO MOD: Why does this site permit hat literature
TI find discussions about headgear deeply distressing. Please keep me from seeing things I find offensive - as is your responsibility
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Sicarius (673 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
And I look like.....
There has been alot (more than usual) hostility, ad hominems, condescension, just general douchebaggery lately. I thought maybe humanizing it a bit would help, there was a thread like this in the past and it was a great success.
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binkman (416 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
Rules question
If a fleet in Edinburgh is support holding a fleet in the Norwegian Sea, and the fleet in the Norwegian Sea is moving to Norway (to counter a possible move to norway) and the fleet in the Norwegian Sea 1) is bounced out of Norway while 2) a fleet attacks the Norwegian Sea with one other supporting unit, will the fleet in Norwegian Sea be dislodged or not? It's 2 vs. 2 in Norwegian Sea, but the fleet there has a move order, which cannot be executed.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Oct 11 UTC
Well he's dead
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
I'vegot one word for those who participate in this thread: oil.
Why do we keep subsidizing idiots like Qadafi, who should have been stopped... I mean... who shouldn't have allowed to /begin/ anything in the first place by buying so much oil?
The Situation (100 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
I'm going to agree pretty much 100% with Youradhere.
patizcool (100 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
+1 Tolstoy.

@Dr. Rush, the clash of civilizations is generally looked upon as a nice try, but a poor theory to actually put into practice. The way you are talking about "these people" is what allows you to say they are uncivilized. Was the way they disposed of Qaddafi morally correct? No. It was about the same thing that happened to Mussolini too, though. Are the Italian people also uncivilized.

Now, I subscribe to the same theory that people's death should not be celebrated. I was not a fan of the celebrations in front of the White House at Bin Ladin's death. However, I was happy that an evil man had been rendered unable to perform any more evil acts, and I feel the same way about Qaddafi. I also will not call people morally wrong or uncivilized because they do celebrate his death. That's ridiculous!

@Putin
You're calling all the NTC al quaida and terrorists and evil people. Really? If the United States had been formed today, the same exact things would be happening. The British called the Continental Congress and the American army under Washington terrorists.

If you want a theory to count on, how about this one. Democracies don't go to war. Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya are better without Ben Ali, Mubarak, and Qaddafi. Do they have work to do? Of course. The United States had to scrap their entire constitution because they hadn't finished working things out. Next up, Bashar Al-Assad.

By the way, I also believe that the U.S. promoting democracy is both morally correct and in the self interest of the U.S. Promoting, not imposing. Iraq I disagreed with, and Afghanistan was gone about the wrong way.
patizcool (100 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Oh, sorry for the double post, but NATO shot a missile or whatever at the caravan Qaddafi was traveling in, so to claim that the West is more civilized or wouldn't assassinate Qaddafi in the way the Libyans did is hypocritical and incorrect
Democracies don't go to war. HA! That wasn't even true when i was in college, before Georgia and Russia went to war. Only time i ever really debated my professor in class.
and by the way before you go judging the Rebels, remember that Gaddafi had the golden gun. That's a one shot kill, you have to be careful with that.
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Oh where to begin, with the Gusano who hates Chavez, or with Invictus yet again celebrating death, cheerleading for outright murder and making shit up like Libya was the worst regime ever on the planet.

I do enjoy how the very same people who were absolutely outraged with a corrupt oilman being disqualified in Venezuela now sanction and celebrate murder while pretending to care about human rights.

@ Guak

Yeah rich Venezuelas are really pissed at the Chavez regime, aren't they. You people continue to simply make shit up because you can't stand the fact that somebody besides the filthy rich might prosper in your country. You continue to whine and cry about how he's a "dictator" even though the media is owned by the opposition who make treasonous comments every day about the government, and who even plotted to overthrow it in 2002 and killed a bunch of people in the process. But human rights violations are a-ok so long as the government is owned by big business, right? Most Venezuelans remember what life was like prior to Chavez coming to power. It wasn't a period of sunshine and roses for the multitudes of poor people in Venezuela. I know Gusanos who can afford to play diplomacy all day think they have a pulse on the public opinion of the country. The fact is Chavez's popularity is rising and your corporate bought comparador lackeys of Yankee imperialism are morally bankrupt. Even their riches can't buy support for their pathetic political formations.

Just a sampling of the achievements that guak and his gusano buddies hate so much:

1 - Extreme poverty was 43% in 1998 in Venezuela. It is now 9.5% (2008). General poverty has been reduced from 50.5% to 33.4%. The gini coefficient is among the lowest, if not the lowest, in Latin America at .4099, in 1998 it was .4865. That's right, under the glorious Caldera and Perez governments, poverty was soaring, inflation was soaring, people were rioting in the streets and being killed by Perez's national guard. Perez siphoned off money for himself and his cronies not once but twice. And the second time he was finally impeached. The gusanos never bother mentioning the widespread human rights abuses under their neoliberal heroes.

2 - In 2005, Venezuela was declared illiteracy free by the UN. In 1998, Venezuela spent less than 4% of GDP on education, today that is nearly double. The mission schools have graduated millions of poor and indigenous students who had been excluded from education. Enrollment in public schools has soared.

3 - In terms of healthcare, child mortality has been *halved* in less than a decade. Thanks to popular/free clinics and health centers and programs like Barrio Adentro. Hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved.

4 - Unemployment has been halved. Minimum wage is the highest in Latin America. Food bonuses allow people to afford food while enhancing their purchasing power.

5 - The overall economy has grown by 500%+ since 1998.

6 - Food production has soared. Mission Food has brought food to every household at low prices.

7 - Tremendous investment in technology, allowing greater access to communication and information to the general public.

8 - No matter what the gusanos say, no matter how much they complain, no matter how much they pine for the days of Caldera and Perez, the advancement of women in Venezuela has been truly remarkable and cannot be denied. The new constitution implemented by Chavez in 1999 is probably one of the most advanced on the question of women's rights than any in the world. It recognizes housework as a productive economic activity, calls for full employment for men and women, and addresses issues of domestic violence and discrimination. It protects women's access to reproductive health, ensuring they have accurate information about family planning. Non-sexist language was used throughout the constitution. Chavez has made protecting women's rights a #1 priority, which again the macho thugs in the opposition can't stand. They hate it when poor people and women get a voice. That's why when the attempted coup of the compradors occurred in 2002, the people who were facing it down and opposing it were overwhelmingly women. INAMUJER has been strengthened, women have been appointed cabinet positions, and women are participating at all levels of society in ways like never before.


People can demean and degrade social and humanitarian achievements all you want, and say it all doesn't matter because Venezuela and Libya don't coddle the rich and amplify all their shrieking and moaning while in opposition, but it doesn't matter. The results speak for themselves. The rich always use violence against any regime that advances the living standards of the multitude, and then complain when their terrorism isn't tolerated or when somebody fights back.

Shut up, you whiny sniveling thugs.
just read the whole account. Troops pulled him from a jeep beat him and executed him. Shows that these government soldiers are far from disciplined. Hopefully they will have a greater respect for the rule of law now Gaddaffi is dea
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Oh yeah, I'm sure they will. Seriously Santa, why do you have such high hopes for the NTC when there is no hope for Hamas? If Hamas did something like this to Schalit you'd rightly call them terrorist barbarians. But now it's all "we'll see how it turns out" and "hopefully they'll learn and get better".
Hamas is an organization that has been blowing up civilian buses for nearly 20 years now. The lack of hope for them comes from the stated goal of destroying Israel and its inhabitants. The government army are undisciplined, poorly trained civilians with guns. Civilians who initially captured Gadaffi until he was ripped off a vehicle by a mob of frenzied troops. It is a poor start but then again given what Gadaffi ordered his army to do to unarmed protesters, the rage is understandable. I think there is hope here, I also think there is hope for Palestinian-Israeli reconciliation, but due to an extended history I don't think Hamas will be party to that.
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
"You're calling all the NTC al quaida and terrorists and evil people. Really? If the United States had been formed today, the same exact things would be happening. The British called the Continental Congress and the American army under Washington terrorists. "

All these absurd comparisons to the American colonials are really driving me nuts. First of all, yes, Washington and the continentals were, in fact, terrorists. They terrorized the Loyalist population of the US, which was substantial and probably close to the level of support for independence, and drove them from the country. Why is this somehow a model?

Second of all, supporters of the rebels don't seem to have the foggiest clue about who they are supporting and what they have done. The fact that they openly and deliberately are ethnically cleansing the country, executing black Africans on sight (because they're all mercenaries, right?). There's no mention of the widespread lynching that has been going on by these "Washington-like" rebels.Misrata has been cleansed completely of black Africans. The whole south is being targeted because the population is substantially black and pro-Gaddafi.

The fact is that this opposition was never peaceful. Never. From the word go, they had shiny new weapons and were armed to the teeth. They were firing on government installations. All of their protests were violent. Furthermore, these Benghazi jihadists are the very same people, with the very same leadership (with open connections to Al Qaeda), as the foreign fighters the Americans were fighting in Iraq. (The same thing is now going on in Syria, with foreign fighters returning and battling the government to install an Islamist regime there as well).

Look for yourselves.

http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/17/lynching-in-benghazi/

"Second of all, supporters of the rebels don't seem to have the foggiest clue about who they are supporting and what they have done. The fact that they openly and deliberately are ethnically cleansing the country, executing black Africans on sight (because they're all mercenaries, right?). There's no mention of the widespread lynching that has been going on by these "Washington-like" rebels.Misrata has been cleansed completely of black Africans. The whole south is being targeted because the population is substantially black and pro-Gaddafi."

I invite anyone to watch Reuters video of the celebration in Tripoli and see if Putin's consistent smear campaign about a genocide against black africans is correct.
killed on site, or dancing hand in hand, same difference.

"The fact is that this opposition was never peaceful."

Lie
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
"o initially captured Gadaffi until he was ripped off a vehicle by a mob of frenzied troops. It is a poor start but then again given what Gadaffi ordered his army to do to unarmed protesters, the rage is understandable."

Gaddafi *didn't do anything* to 'unarmed protesters'. How many times must these stories be exposed for being lies? Haven't you seen enough of this with the crap people spout about how Israel "attacked a UN compound" when they did no such thing?

And did I miss something or is Hamas expected to have substantially greater levels of disciplined training when compared to the NTC?

And what do you think the "stated goals of the NTC are". They openly said "there is no more Tawergha, Tawergha no longer exists". The Misrata Brigade calls itself the "brigade for purging slaves and the black skinneed". They completely wiped out predominantly black settlements from the map.
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Watch the lynchings, they're on fucking video. Tell me why towns which had substantial population are now ghost towns. Please explain that to me. Explain to me the rhetoric of the rebels about purging the black skinned.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/forces-take-gadhafi-hometown-1319116563-slideshow/libyan-fighters-celebrate-streets-sirte-libya-image-taken-photo-124959508.html

Guess nobody told that guy

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/forces-take-gadhafi-hometown-1319116563-slideshow/libyan-fighters-celebrate-streets-sirte-libya-image-taken-photo-125109856.html

or the dude with the gun

could go on, and will after dinner
http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/tripoli-celebrates-fall-of-gaddafi-27014502.html

Guy at :31 has moves
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Well Iran has the largest Jewish population in the Mideast outside of Israel, must mean they're not anti-Semitic.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304887904576395143328336026.html
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Ethnic cleansing and racist terrorism is ok so long as it targets blacks and not Jews.
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Even the apologetic Time magazine admits this is happening.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2091293,00.html
largeham (149 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Ah, fuck the NTC. It's mostly made up of ex-Gaddafi people, Islamists or pro Western neo-liberalist businessmen.
Putin33 (111 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
"In 800AD when Christians were debating whether or not women had souls, trying to figure out how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, thinking that diseases were caused by evil spirits, and resolving disputes with trials by combat, the Muslim world had female jurists and religious leaders, were translating and expanding on Greek mathematical and astronomical observations, pioneering scientific fields like optics and navigation, writing medical textbooks that would be used for another 1000 years, and building the wealthiest and most powerful empire on earth at the time."

All of this is false. Anyway, your Muslims declared scientific materialism to be 'unlawful'.

Furthermore, the much ballyhooed role of Islamic scholars transmitting ancient Mediterranean texts for the benefit of backward Europeans is just sheer falsehood.

"Access 'for western scholars to the great classics of Greece and Rome by their translation into Arabic, from which they were rendered into European languages' almost always means access to a Latin translation of an Arabic translation of a Syriac translation of a Greek text. Sometimes it means access to a Latin translation of an Arabic translation of a Hebrew translation of a Greek text. It can even mean access to a Latin translation of a Hebrew translation of an Arabic translation of a Syriac translation of a Greek text. Only on rare occasions does it mean access to a Latin translation of an Arabic translation of a Greek text."

"A contribution 'of the medieval Muslim world to Chistendom' means the translation into Latin by a Christian or a Jew of an Arabic translation by a Christian or a Jew of a Syriac translation by a Christian or a Jew of a Greek text obtained by 'the medieval Muslim world' when it conquered the parts of 'Christendom' that contained the libraries and monasteries in which it was kept. It means, in other words, a third, fourth, or fifth—hand version of a stolen Greek text."

"One might imagine that the great classics of Rome would be works by Caesar, Cato, Catullus, Cicero, Horace, Juvenal, Livy, Lucan, Lucretius, Martial, Ovid, Pliny, Quintilian, Sallust, Seneca, Suetonius, Tacitus, Terence, or Virgil, but according to Franz Rosenthal in The Classical Heritage in Islam, 'the only Latin text whose Arabic translation is preserved is' by Orosius!"

" In A History of Philosophy, Frederick Copleston says that 'it is a mistake to imagine that the Latin scholastics were entirely dependent upon translations from Arabic or even that translation from the Arabic always preceded translation from the Greek.' Indeed, 'translation from the Greek generally preceded translation from the Arabic.' This view is confirmed by Peter Dronke in A History of Twelfth—Century Western Philosophy:
'most of the works of Aristotle...were translated directly from the Greek, and only exceptionally by way of an Arabic intermediary.'"

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/the_notsogolden_age_of_islamic.html

Bernard Lewis said:

"We know of no Muslim scholar or man of letters before the eighteenth century who sought to learn a western language, still less of any attempt to produce grammars, dictionaries, or other language tools. Translations are few and far between. Those that are known are works chosen for practical purposes [philosophy being considered a practical discipline] and the translations are made by converts [who knew western languages before conversion] or non—Muslims."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/07/hyping_islam_s_role_in_the_his.html
Sicarius (673 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
"Furthermore, the much ballyhooed role of Islamic scholars transmitting ancient Mediterranean texts for the benefit of backward Europeans is just sheer falsehood."

Oh thanks for the info, for some reason I thought the christians burned every book but the bible for several hundred years, resulting in the scientific and cultural cesspool that was dark ages europe, and only with the invention of the printing press in the 1400s and breaks with the roman catholic church were europeans once again able to get into circulation classical greek texts that were preserved by the caliphate. Guess my studies into pretty much any history book ever were totally wrong, as your flippant and un-supported statement proved to me 100%.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
I guess Bernard Lewis is chopped liver when it comes to Islamic history? I have no idea what would count as a supported statement, for you, since I actually provided support there.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
What is with the Islamo-fetishism, anyway? Libertarians and anarchists lionizing Islam is kind of bizarre.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
And why do you and Tolstoy leave out the utter destruction of Persian libraries and civilization by the Muslim invaders? Don't you think it's a horrific tragedy that we have nothing from them?
guak (3381 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
LOL Putin you clearly have never set a foot in Venezuela because you know absolutely nothing about my nation. First of all, the media is ENTIRELY owned by the government. The only opposition TV networks were two, one of which was shut down by the government even though it was the second most popular network in the nation and at times the most popular network. The other one has just been placed an outrageous fine that they cannot hope to pay so they have an excuse to shut them down. Let's talk about the illiteracy statistic. A beautiful statistic considering that people are granted high school diplomas without knowing how to read, write, add or even talk. Plus ALL government statistics are manipulated at will. Now let's talk about how I am rich and think that no one can rule better than the previous governments... I am nowhere near rich and all of the previous governments sucked as well, just not so much as this one. Why did they suck? Because they were all freaking socialists who turn any private enterprise into a public one so they could buy votes from the population and stay in power. Let's talk about health. Now everyone has access to Cuban doctors who have at their disposition all the nifty health implements you can dream of and that prescribe aspirins to absolutely everyone because they know shit thanks to a parallel health system that was created by the government while the real hospitals and ambulatories don't even have gauze and have to work twice as hard because people go dying to their doors because the Cuban doctors could not heal them. Now let's talk about food. THERE IS NO MILK OR VEGETABLE OIL IN THE COUNTRY> Do yyou realize the ,agnitude of this statement? Plus, the prices are a joke. Even with the government regulated prices which are ridiculously low for what the cost of production is, the food is still way more expensive here than in the US for example. And thanks to those great regulation prices we produce much less food and have to import what we produced before. Now let's talk about oil prices. They have risen 1500% from the mid 1990s to today. Do you still believe a 500% increase in an economy that is determined by oil prices alone is a good one? How about that Constitution? A pretty one with wonderful words, I love it. Too bad that the President himself repeteadly disrespects it and that no one defends it. Most of the beautiful laws you defend and talk about are never even implemented. They just write empty words and then do absolutely nothing about them. Now you say unemployment has been halved when it is actually at its highest ever. Problem is that the government counts the informal economy translating into street peddlers who pay no taxes as employes. You just have to love their stats. Now the minimum wage: It is less than halfthe cost of the basic basketnecessary for life. Meaning that two minimum wages don't get you to live through the month. Also worth noting, the official exchange rate to the dollar is half the actual rate, so any government price is actually double in real life. Now, Putin how about that money exchange control? Is it not just beautiful how you can only buy 2500$ a year? You also mention inflation, well check the numbers Venezuela's inflation is currently the highest in the world and that is according to official numbers in which inflation is less than a third of the actual inflation rate. Go shove your socialism up your ass Putin. I don't care if you classify Chavez as a dictator or not . Either way he is an incompetent moron who has done nothing but steal money and get fat.
guak (3381 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
By the way, hilarious how you talk about Caldera and Perez as neoliberal when they were both socialist and very left wing, both coming from left-wing political parties and having applied left-wing policies in their governments. Clearly states something about your knowledge of Venezuela.
Ethnic cleansing and racist terrorism is ok so long as it targets blacks and not Jews.

The ethnic cleansing doesn't exist

"Well Iran has the largest Jewish population in the Mideast outside of Israel, must mean they're not anti-Semitic."

Yes show me the jews dancing in the street for the successes of Iran

"Time magazine yadda yadda yadda"

Angry mobs do not equal ethnic cleansing, small elements of Al Qaeda doesnt make the rebellion an al Qaeda revolution etc. etc. The photos in Tripoli and common sense show that there is no genocide against Black africans as you claim
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
My wife and many of her colleagues visited Venezuela, particularly Lara Province, and saw the great advancements first hand. I'm not going to listen to somebody who claims Perez and Caldera were leftwing socialists about the truth about Venezuela.

Perez implemented structural adjustment programs doof. That's why there was a coup attempt against him. He reduced social spending and eliminated price controls. What on earth is "leftwing" about that? I get it that you're another one of these libertarian zealots who calls everything right of FA Hayek "socialist". Perez's party routinely murdered leftists and communists. Caldera went even further in his neoliberal policies with the so-called Venezuela Agenda. In exchange for loans from the IMF he implemented severe cuts in spending, privatization of the oil, aluminum, steel and electrical industries and eased restrictions on foreign investment. Are these the actions of a "leftwing socialist"? And I'm supposed to take you seriously?

As for the opposition media. Let's review. Is TalCual shut down? Is El Universal? Otero's El Nacional? El Nuevo Pais? La Razon? Give me a break. Is Venevision shut down? Televen? All these media outfits were overjoyed with the coup in 2002. They still operate, and many of them lampoon Chavez on a daily basis, some compare him to Hitler, etc.

As for milk, there has *always* been milk scarcity in Venezuela. Before Chavez most milk was imported and extremely high in price on the black market. Daily consumption is up 600 calories in 6 years, from 2200 in 2002 to 2800 in 2008. Malnutrition is way down, to 6%, despite all the hysteria from the opposition about 'food shortages'. The opposition whines about inflation but continues to hoard to jack up the prices. There's plenty of economic sabotage going on. Despite the inflation, purchasing power parity in Venezuela has continued to climb upwards. So evidently the economy isn't the shitshow you're pretending it is.

If you love capitalism so much then move to Colombia, where you can be at home with the rightwing paramilitaries and murder trade unionists for sport.


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