For example, I think Bo's "fuck-it-I'm-dead" attitude is actually lizard-confirmation. He is hoping to play the role of the innocent townie that looks like he will die, but isn't going to fight it anymore, etc. - because Of the general (wrong) consensus that killing townies is OK because it “gives us info” I think Bo is using this idea to lay low and hope the pressure goes off him, instead of fighting to survive.

OIC - yeah I did say earlier that a townie should probably role-claim. But it's situational. If you are town and there are three other power-role town guys left and say 2 scum. Then fake role claiming could get a power role killed. On day 1 neither Y2 or squigs role claimed. It isn't a terrible move by either of them.

Me fighting to survive in the last 30 minutes of Day 1 is what didn't seem all that necessary. From my perspective we had a better shot of lynching mafia by lynching Squigs instead of me since I know I'm town, but without much more to say, I felt it unnecessary and was even unclear how to defend myself in that moment. With less than 10 people alive now, each townie is much more important to survive and fight in order to ensure a town victory, so I'll be fighting much more going forward than I did on Day 1.

@Y2 - at last we agree on something. ..."Maniac, you're a genius"

The rest of your rant makes no sense. Have you been drinking?

The evidence is mount Y2..

Uclabb starts a bandwagon on you knowing you'll be safe.
This would give either of you perfect cover later on when the other one dies.
Your defence on D1 was a one liner. Lazy, but why sweat it when you knew your buddies had your back.
You then try and start a bandwagon on who you mistakenly think could be the cop.
You refuse to see the writing on WD's wall - even though it stands up without the link to you.

You have so many question to answer mate. I think the time for bussing WD has passed. You will probably get shot before him now in truth. Why not just confess - they say it's good for the soul. ##call GM - do reptiles have souls?

GM NOTE: Reptiles DO NOT have souls. They are big shapeshifting bags of evil set upon domination of the world, they have no loyalty in their vile hearts, are very willing to cut corners and will kill you the second your back is turned....kind of like Yankee fans.

Help me out then, ask me questions. I've been spilling information about what I think and why I've done what I've done all morning. You can't just say "I have questions" and not state what you actually want to know. One of the following two scenarios describes you right now:

1. You're actually town and are hellbent on this uclabb/y2k/wd theory of yours. If this is the case, and I'm becoming less and less certain it is, keep prying me and ask your questions and observe other dialogue until you figure out what's wrong with your theory.
2. You're scum and this is just your play.

So which is it?

Day 2 Vote Count Update 2

Bo_sox(5): ghug, krellin, ILN, WardenDresden, Y2kjbk,
krellin (2):pjmansfield, bo_sox
Y2kjbk (1): Maniac
No vote (1): guak

1 of 5 votes needed to END: Bo_sox

Currently BO_SOX48 is set to be lynched.

7 hours remain.

@ y2 - I'm done with standing up my theory. It was all just nonsense to get a reaction. You didn't think I actually believed any of that rubbish do you? I was testing you. I'll post your results later. In meantime if you could stand up why you're voting for Bo, I'd be obliged. He has risen up the table of my scum list, but will be interested in your thoughts.

##unvote

K, I'll entertain a scenario 3. I actually have some time now to read up on bosox, I will do that.

@krellin and Ghug. I'm fairly sure that two non- humans are voting for Bo alongside you guys. Would either / both of you consider a switch to Y2, WD or ILN?

Read up in more detail that is. I'll really pick him apart.

maniac - I consider ILN to be a lurking lizard.

WD/y2k - is part of the circle of accusations, which is a circle of like4 or so people all accusing one another...all givign the appearance of trying, putting for th constructive arguments. I would find it very difficutl to vote for WD or y2k at the present time.

Oh boy......

##UNVOTE

Maniac, I took a much closer look at what happened on Day 2. I actually liked most of what came from bosox. Him getting angry and frustrated at Krellin towards the end of Day 2 was the initial motivator for me considering a lynch on bosox was legitimate, seeing him get exasperated as he did, but I didn't look carefully enough at his contributions towards the beginning of Day 2 becuase I was hung up on you, Maniac. You suggesting that two non-humans are voting for Bo actually rings very likely, I don't know how he warranted such suspicion. I'm seriously considering a vote for ILN, since I feel he gave the least information for why he voted for bo_sox. He hasn't said too much and has been pretty lurky, but his unanswered vote on bo_sox might be enough to make me vote for him.

@ILN: why bo_sox?

Yea, fuck it, ##VOTE ILN. He did more than just lurk when he dropped that vote on bo_sox.

I think the idea that two non-humans voting for Bo is ludicrous, personally. The lizard surely are not voting together, and if the mutant is, and Bo is lizard...so what.

If the other lizard is voting for a lizard bo to bus him - then we have a really good mafia on our hand.

I would vote for ILN the Lurking Lizard, and I would *NOT* clear Bo if ILN Flips Lizard, because bussing is a legit strategy. Also, ILN tends to be a conservative politically, and I think he would be inclined to see the noble sacrifice of himself for the cause (i.e. clear Bo) as the proper thing to do.

Krellin, can you reiterate some concise reasons why you think bosox is a lizard? You two have so much shit flying between you two it's hard to digest it all.

That's fair, ILN flipping lizard certainly doesn't clear bo_sox.

It's purely a psychic reading <wink>

I'll get to it later - at work right now so just hopping in and out, so I'll try to give you something substantial later, unless you manage to reread what I said before I repost it.

ILN, if you really are town, then do what you said you would do and step your fucking game up. Why bo_sox?

I'm gonna give ghug's and warden's arguments against him a thorough read. Krellin, I'll let you sum up when you can. I'm less concerned about you as you are my strongest town-read among the bo_sox voters for now.

So, based on Maniac's last couple of posts, his whole y2k/WD/uclabb theory was a bluff? Once again, I just don't get the point.

You asked which posts I found especially suspect, Maniac, so I'm referring to the one where you mention someone handing you a band-aid when you didn't need one, and the one where you create this former bodyguard role.

It's common knowledge that revealing an unsuccessful doc save doesn't actually help the humans in any way, not that I think it really helps the scum all that much either, it can help them try to narrow down who the doctor is and make things harder for the rest of us. So why make a post that all but makes that claim? Most of your other strange plays, I can attribute to your playstyle being similar to the way krellin's incited dissenting opinions and tried to force other players into the light, but this one in particular makes no sense to me.

As for your argument regarding my voting for someone I thought was town: given the suspicion around krellin's claim, if Squigs were a town power role he would've had to make a complete claim in order to get anyone to believe it, meaning if it were false, it could be counterclaimed. I never said I thought he was a town power, just that I thought he was playing like he was holding something back, or had something to hide: a non-vanilla role. If that was as a town power role, then he would've claimed at the end, but as lizard or mutant he might not claim. You'll note that in all of our games, scum have yet to make a fake claim that could be counterclaimed. So I decided that I didn't have enough to justify switching my vote to y2k, but I had to vote on someone, and I still found Squig's play indicative of a "non-vanilla" role. So I figured there was a potential risk of hitting a human, but still a fair chance to hit a scum with the Squigs vote, or I wouldn't have joined it in the first place.

Maniac, you call my case against bo_sox good, but refuse to offer an actual opinion on his guilt or innocence. And you're trying to pull attention away from him as a lynch target because you'd rather we don't shoot your last lizard buddy. You also seemed to ignore the fact that ghug brought the bo_sox case up first, only saying that he's "risen up" in your estimation, meaning you think he's too right to try and get him killed? Sure, that leap of logic is based entirely on confirmation bias surrounding bo_sox, but you don't seem to have any problems using that sort of thing in your arguments, do you?

@WD - "I never said I thought he was a town power" really? So your comment "Squiggs acted to me like he's a power role" doesn't mean you thought he was a power role? Come back with some BS about 'town power' and 'power role' being different. I dare ya...

I said your case against Bo was good. I wouldn't cry if bo copped a packet. earlier on I had a reason for thinking Bo was govt. now I'm not so sure - if he is he can fight his own corner. Your case against Bo was basically no govt official would ever vote for someone they thought was govt official, but I highlighted where you did just that - in fact at the time you voted for someone you thought was a power role. You have to explain that.

Just because you don't understand my plays doesn't mean they're no good. I suspect you're trying to push me on my comments and pseudo-role. All in good time - patience is a virtue.

To be clear Y2 and you are trying to portray my observations about uclabb, you and Y2 as being far fetched. My observations about you stand up even if Y2 is innocent. My observations against him stand up even if you are innocent. The fact they both stand up together and the fact you both tried to get someone you think may be the cop shot, add to the case, but the case doesn't depend on those facts.

I'm still open minded by I think you or/and Y2 are part of reptile team. I wouldn't be upset if Bo or ILN died. PJ and Krellin are my top govt guys and I need to look closer at Guak and Ghug.

WD – not defending maniac, but I too want to suspect others than Bo – which does not mean Bo is not suspected and won’t be targeted for lynching – but, just as you are focusing on maniac, maniac wants to make sure we suspect *everyone* at some point. People can’t be allowed to slide without examination.

@WD - PS your buddy Y2 did a good job of trying to defend you didn't he?

"someone you think may be the cop shot" Oh, so you're claiming to know what I think now? I though krellin and ghug had the psychic powers, but Maniac's a certified mind reader.

You'll note that when I initially attacked Squigs I said non-vanilla. Because I said power role at one point is hardly indicative of anything other than me varying my phrasing. There IS a difference between power role and town power and you want to misinterpret my entire argument against bo_sox's using scum logic because I didn't use Maniac-approved semantics? Even then, here's from my own posts:

"Squigs: Seems to be playing this more seriously than last time, as though he's got more at stake than a regular human. Could be indicative of anything from evolving playstyle to any non-vanilla role. His preface to his reads post seemed a bit unnecessary too." -Page 14. (Notice how I said non-vanilla?)

"RE: ghug on Squigs, All of that does little to convince me one way or the other on Squigs, since my read is that he's playing differently from last time because he's got a different role" -Page 14 (What was Squigs last time? Vanilla town.)

At the time I didn't even want to vote for Squigs, BECAUSE of the possibility of him being a town power role. I voted for bo_sox because he was my best scumread, and only decided to join the Squigs/krellin fight when it became clear that no one else was seeing bo_sox as scummy enough fast enough to make him a viable lynch that day. There were two options for a lynch when I voted for Squigs: him, and krellin, and krellin had claimed a Town Power role. Squiggs had not. Squiggs then churned out an accusation against y2k which gathered some momentum, and uclabb jumped onto it. Chaqa did as well, and I felt that the case against lurker y2k was weaker than the case against Squigs. Couple that with Squigs' feverish defense, and y2k's one-liner, and it was clear who was trying harder to stay alive. The scum HAVE to try harder, so I made a call and kept my vote on Squigs. And I was wrong.

As for y2k's defending me, well, you did accuse him in the same breath, so it's natural that he would want to refute you for himself. He did seem maybe a little TOO certain about my own innocence though, so that might be something. But there's a definite problem with your logic surrounding uclabb's shift onto y2k at the last minute if you think y2k alone is scum and not me: if y2k and uclabb were both scum, and I'm not, then uclabb has no way of knowing if I'm going to switch at the last minute along with many of the others who did, thus he could've killed a fellow lizard on day 1 for almost no reason. Your case on y2k only makes sense if you either assume uclabb would've moved OFF of y2k had I switched at :58, or I am scum ensuring that enough switching doesn't happen. More mind-reading from our newest psychic, I guess.

So no, I don't think your case against y2k stands without the case against me, and that makes y2k attacking the case against me just fine in taking down your case against him.

Hmmm. Interesting morning. I don't buy the y2k case, but Maniac has been pretty convincing on one front. ##VOTE WD.

I'll try to get the psychic juices flowing and write up my own case with some time before the phase ends.