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krellin (80 DX)
18 Jul 14 UTC
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Oh noes...the AIDS Researchers...
Just listened to Obama blathering about the AIDS researchers on the Malaysian flight. Oh noes...the AIDS researchers....suddenly this flight is more important than others, because of the AIDS researchers...

If it were just shmucks like you and I that had died…not so big a deal. But the AIDS researchers…oh noes…Anyone else think that every life is precious, not just the AIDS researchers….OH NOES!!!
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pangloss (363 D)
20 Jul 14 UTC
WBC SoundCloud
The Westboro Baptist Church has a SoundCloud page. They have 7h30 worth of parodies, some good, some bad (in terms of singing, production, etc.).
https://soundcloud.com/wbcsays/sets/parodies
In particular, 666 (Pumped-up Kicks) is fairly well done.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jul 14 UTC
The WebDip Forum Drinking Game
Take a shot if.......
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NBA Free Agency
I thought it would be nice to have a thread on NBA free agency, see what everyone was thinking about the main 'dramas' unfolding
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
18 Jul 14 UTC
Zionism, Jihad, Integration and the Postbellum South
By Al Swearengen

Actually, I probably won't get around to writing this.
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Yaniv (1323 D(S))
19 Jul 14 UTC
Diplomacy, statistically speaking...
what are the odds of a player (a) soloing; (b) drawing; (c) surviving; (d) losing?
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THELEGION (0 DX)
19 Jul 14 UTC
bar fight
Ok so there's a giant drunken bar fight between the irish, germans, vikings, russians and a combined force of american red necks and hill billys which group will win.
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ThatBuhlLarry (100 D)
19 Jul 14 UTC
For Anyone Interested in a World Game
1 day phases; starts in 3 days
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=144739
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
05 Jul 14 UTC
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Mafia IV: Reptilian Invasion
See inside.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
09 Jul 14 UTC
PS - I wasnt seeking to clear you by your posts - i was looking at Uclabb and you got cleared by default - i prefer looking at the things a player can't affect, rather than the things they can.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
09 Jul 14 UTC
Thanks for explaining, I think...

I want to hear your top two scum reads Maniac.
Maniac (189 D(B))
09 Jul 14 UTC
TeeHee Krellin from the guy who says all reads are psychobabble he is now basing accusations that could see a man shot on behavioral patterns. This means that (a) a man can't defend himself and (b) the accuser doesn't have to present a case. If reading people's minds over the internet is your new methodology, good luck with that. I'm a cancerian by the way - born on the cusp of a rising moon - hope that helps?
Maniac (189 D(B))
09 Jul 14 UTC
@Y2 - just going out to the movies with my son - will post other reads later. Prob in 4 hrs or so.
GM Note: doc saves are notified if they were targeted and not attacked.
@Maniac: Not only can reptiles grow a pair, they can RE-grow a pair.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
maniac - no, it means that you have demonstrated erattic bahavior, inconsistent with what we know about you. it is a very specific accusation, in fact.

You can explain yourself, as I explained my bahavior, or you can refuse to explain yourself. If you choose to brush off an accusation - and I'm not the only one accusing you, it will be noted.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
by teh way, maniac, clearing me...that was a scum move...
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
BECAUSE you are one of the only two on the board that *knows* I am not mafia. So instead of taking my highly erratic behavior, claims and counter-claims, etc and saying "krellin is iffy...we need to watch him" you instead clear me, knwing that when I flip town if I get lynched/shot, you got a town-move in yoru pocket. Your clearing me is a bad move.
ILN (100 D)
09 Jul 14 UTC
ALRIGHT, after reading 10 gdamn pages, here are my reads!!

Also, I've been seeing more of you guys seeing me as scummy, but honestly, ~10 pages a day is insane. I'll try to read as much as I can, but i'll be skipping some posts.

Also, I'd like to say it's best to vote me off in the case, I'm wasting the towns votes as they think i'm a scum, and so they vote for me thinking I'm scum while the real scum are snickering with joy, probably the reason i have lasted so long is that the scum have realized what's going on, and are using me as a person to waste votes. Think about it, every round i get voted, and get seen as suspicious, but someone always comes to my defense - and usually the same people - .........

A lurker that doesn't say much and that receives votes each round -BUT that isn't voted off is a scum's best tool. Which means i'll have to up my game...

So, finally, here is my list of reads.

1. ghug - TOWN - He's been pretty vocal about voting me off, a good town read as getting rid of lurkers is great for the town, but he's foolish in voting for me instead of other people, kind of wasting his vote, exactly what the scum want.
2. y2kjbk - no idea lol
4. Krellin - SUSPICIOUS - His style and vote records lead me to think he's suspicious.
7. Maniac - SCUM SCUM SCUM.
9. WardenDresden - no idea lol, but seems like a town to me.
10. Guak - TOWN - Same with ghug. Seems da G's are on the same page.
11. Bo_sox48 - SCUM - Very active, a lot of posts, and seems to always come to my defense. If he's a scum, he's doing a hell of a good job, he has a lot of people convinced he's town, and is using that to his advantage.
13. pjmansfield99 - TOWN - Not very active, and usually voting for the supposed scum, like Krellin.

I can say that EVERY reptile in this game is active. So be wary, it make's sense that they always go for the 'lurkers', they want to minimize the voting base as quickly as possible without taking out a vocal player and being suspicious.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
09 Jul 14 UTC
To back up ILN's claim to be town, uclabb did have him listed along with me and Chaqa as his top scum reads. Sure you can go WIFOM on that and claim it's very possible that uclabb listed a fellow mafia member as a top scum read, but given how badly Day 1 went for town, that seems like an unnecessary move for uclabb to make now. I'm convinced ILN is town for the time being.
Day 2 Vote Count

Maniac (2): Y2kjbk, krellin
Bo_sox(1): ghug
krellin (1):pjmansfield
ILN (2): WardenDresden, Maniac
No vote (3): ILN, guak, bo_sox

Currently NO ONE is set to be lynched.

30 hours 5 minutes remain.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
ILN - why no VOTE?!?
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
People need to put up votes -- people need to feel heat, so that can be forced to defend themselves. Not voting at this point is a Lizard move...

get your votes up NOW.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
Votes have a purpose...NOT just to lynch people, but to cause peto think they are under threat to be lynched. If you people do not vote...and the scum have successfully spread the vote out or are laughing becuse they don't have to involve themselves while we stumble blindly at point at each other.

Nobody feels threatened, right now. I sure don't, and I deserve to feel threatened.

There is no dicussion because there is no serious vote. therefore, there is no information, and we might as well just roll dice for teh next lynch.

There was actually a COMPLAINT about there being too much info, too many pages? Wow...TOTAL scum move.

So.....
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
##VOTE BO....

Because he is suspicious anyway as explained before adn by others and because his lack of vote is a lizard move...just waiting to cherry pick a townie later on.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
If BO is in your top three - please move you vote to BO NOW
pjmansfield99 (100 D)
09 Jul 14 UTC
Uhhhh. Nope cos your still the one for me baby. Even if Bo is my No.2
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Jul 14 UTC
@krellin … I gave my reads early on in the day. It takes time for those to develop into a case against someone. I've got 30 hours; I'm really not pushing it that hard.

But I've come to a conclusion now anyway. ##VOTE krellin, because he contradicts himself on everything, lied about being a power role to save himself from a day one lynch, tried to casually push the attention onto someone else as if revealing that you lied to save your ass and for no other reason is perfectly okay and not worth discussing, and is playing terribly in general, threatening the entire town in the process.

Let's revisit this. He pushes against lynching anyone on day one and reasons that there's nothing to be gained, when clearly there was and still could be in the future. What we know right now is that our lynch discussions allowed one of the power roles (which he is NOT) to weed out uclabb. This was undeniably huge, and had krellin had his way with a no-lynch, uclabb could still be alive.

Now with this whole power role thing - why would a townie fake claim a power role on day one? Well, there's two reasons. He could be mafia trying to save his ass, or he could be an incredibly selfish townie who, despite his role, would rather risk the potential of another townie dying all while making himself and any townie associated with him look terrible than sacrifice himself. Which of these two types of players do you want playing with you? NEITHER. Whichever krellin ends up being, he's worth a lynch because he's putting the town at risk.

So maybe you can somehow in your heart forgive krellin for the contradictory play, the no-lynch vote on day one, and fake claiming a power role on day one. If this is you, speak up, you need to justify a) how you don't think krellin has a high probability of turning mafia, and b) how, even if krellin is town, you think he's helping the town at all.

But maybe you can. So, if you can, turn to page 22. I call on krellin to lighten the tension today so we can get around to scum hunting, and since he's apparently a power role, he can help, right? Nooooope. He responds with this:

"I'm not a power role. I've told you guys that multiple times - it was a save my ass claim, as I've repeated over and over."

As he repeated over and over. Where, you might ask? Well, let's see what he has to say about it:

"I can't tell you what page, and I didn't use those specific words....but (sigh) I told you (more than once I am certain) that is was a ruse to save my ass!"

He told us, right? There's no page number, there's no quote, he didn't use "those specific words" (he didn't specify what specific words he's talking about), but he told us. Not a power role.

So here we have krellin either lying or being as vague as he possibly can, or maybe both at the same time, and expecting us to let it fly. But let's continue further:

"What else would you do if you were about to get offed by nonsense."

Well, krellin - if you're a townie, you try to make a case against someone else, which Squigs did. If you can't, you try to defend yourself, and if you still can't, you resign to your fate and hope the rest of us can try to win the game in your memory.

But that's okay, at least he's facing what's coming to him. At least he's taking it like a man - NOPE! Wrong again! At this point, I again strongly encourage you to go back to page 22 and look specifically at the post I'm quoting if you haven't already so you can see it in its entirety. This is how he concludes the post:

"Anyway - let's get on to the analysis … Who wants to start on ILN?"

That's one way to deflect the attention elsewhere. We just learned that one of our presumed power roles lied to us about it -- or did he? Given his track record thus far, who knows if it's not another lie -- and he's ready to move on and go after ILN. Let's not just let him skirt by with that.

If krellin doesn't get hit by the town for threatening every one of us with his antics, I might look back through the other mafia threads and see if anyone has ever gotten away with this kind of horrible play before.

##VOTE krellin
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
pjmansfield....splitting votes. Way to go, lizard. <NOTED>

there is no momentum on me, plus you risk killing the claimed power roll....which yes, I unclaimed...duhhh....because even if I am a power roll, you *have* to unclaim until you are ready to reveal soething...which I should NOT have to explain to people...

anyway...tie me to someone PJ - make it work. You think uclabb was trying to bus me on DAY 1?!!? You think he was that bad a player?
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
Bo...you are such a foolish player. You insistence on refusing to read and understand what I have said, and *why* I have done it is astounding. At least I dont' claim I'm toomuch a noob to grasp what is goign on, and then play expert analyst two second later.

Well...there we have it...threatened, the Lizard strikes back...
pjmansfield99 (100 D)
09 Jul 14 UTC
No I think he was that good a player.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Jul 14 UTC
Krellin, I question how you managed to post a rant about PJ in the same minute I posted against you, go back and thoroughly read my case against you, which is pretty long, write, and submit that post all in 120 seconds, absolute maximum. So when you talk about "refusing to read," you should check yourself before you wreck yourself.
ghug (5068 D(B))
09 Jul 14 UTC
Bo, nice job responding to only a few of my points. I'll cover what you covered and ask you to respond to the rest. Everyone should note, however, how weak the response was before more pushing.

RE: Silly names
This was pretty clearly a joke about krellin's worries about "psychicness." The fact that you were fine joking with me about it until I actually made a good case against you, at which point you tried to undermine it, is very suspicious.

RE: Page 6 reads
The point here is that you already had uclabb as a town read just for starting a policy discussion. That doesn't make any sense.

RE: Squigs
I have taken responsibility for the Squigs lynch. Any claim that I'm trying to distance myself from it rings hollow. The fact is that the main catalysts of the lynch behind me were you, semck, and uclabb. Uclabb switched off early to get away from it. You switched off right at the end when it was a pretty sure thing. Whatever explanation you give for that, it's a scummy attempt to distance, and it should be seen as such.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
For the READING DEFICIENT - my claim that my power claim was fake:

krellin Online (26 D)
Mon 08 PM
Warden -- no, in reality, power roles are NOT to be discussed, because any information only benefits the mafia. And I can absolutely guanantee to you right now that I will *never* reveal any further information about my supposed power unless it was/is somehow relevant.

krellin Online (26 D)
Mon 09 PM
"ghug, as I said a few posts ago, you best option as the town at this point is to ignore the statement I made, and assume I am just like anyone else. I am an absolutely unknown quantity, just as every other townie. IN reality, my ploy changes nothing other than your perceptions -- but this entire game is about manipulating perceptions, not matter what you role of lack thereof in the game."
******

Again...all you clowns that lije to bitch and moan that others can't read....LEARN TO READ.
As I have NOW POINTED OUT BO'S LIE about me...

Can we move to vote on Bo.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Jul 14 UTC
Boski - as for my chagne from n-lynch to lynch on day 1 - it was expalined. EVERYTHING you discuss above I have explained multiple times.

Your agenda is Lizard...you know who is lizard (because you are), and you also know that I am an easy-to-lynch townie...thus you are **constantly** misinterpretting what I have said, you are IGNORING much of what I have said and cherry-picking items to your benefit.

Think what you will about my play, Bo..But the prupose of this game is to generate information to analyze. I am doing that. From you, we have gathered that you are a player that is either the noob you claim to be…or as you also claim to be (expert analyst) you have a devious method of cherry-picking information to make a case.

So what are you Bo, noob or devious expert?
ghug (5068 D(B))
09 Jul 14 UTC
Bo is being reactionary now. He tried to turn my points on him against me instead of simply responding to him, and now he votes krellin right after krellin votes him.

All aboard the bo train! Choo choo!
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
09 Jul 14 UTC
Very likely I'd agree to lynching bosox, I want to make a thorough read-through of him tonight. I definitely think his Day 2 showing is somewhat scummy, moreso than a number of other players today. I wasn't impressed or convinced at all with his case against krellin.
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
09 Jul 14 UTC
Well, after some sleep, and ILN's promised response, I'm pretty unimpressed by it, but I don't think it's necessarily a scum tell. So, onto the next best lead I think we have at the moment. ##VOTE Maniac. If we can end with an ILN kill instead, I wouldn't feel poorly about at the moment either.

Blue-blooded Lizards:
Uclabb – Others had pointed out that something seemed a little off about uclabb, but I didn’t really see it. In retrospect he seemed to have been taking the role of the talkative scum leader, but I had him in Null-town territory before.

People who need to prove their humanity:
ILN - He's made promises, but has yet to deliver anything really substantive. I was in favor of giving him a pass on day 1, but no longer. Your *human* instincts had better prove themselves through *survival* instincts. And yet, the post you added today had some claims but nothing to back them up. No vote, no teeth, and very little for others to read on you. Not only that, but your reads themselves are inconsistent, listing krellin as suspicious, but PJ as town, and citing the same reasons.
Maniac - His slip, claim, or whatever, got put into the spotlight, and now we have to deal with it. For whatever reason, he chose not to answer the question I put to him about his strange bodyguard story, and unless Vash included a secret role, it just doesn't make sense. His end-of-night post raises some flags for me as well. And he hasn't sat well with me all game. But my biggest concern is that he’s been playing so erratically that I can’t comprehend it. His “band-aid” post can’t really help the humans, and I don’t see much in the way of helpful content either. He seems a bit like mutant scum to me, but he could be lizard scum too.
PJ - He's been really quiet, and he was pretty high on uclabb's town list for some reason. I don't know; he's more guilty by association in my mind right now than anything else, but he hasn't done anything that signals his innocence to me. He’s posted very little, and hasn’t seemed responsive to stimuli trying to get him to speak more. My least sure scum-read.

Needs more info:
bo_sox - Both krellin and I pointed out that bo seems to have two sides to him: the uncertain newb, and the certain crusader. But apart from that behavioral issue, which seems to be disappearing, the only other significant complaint I’ve had with him is pointing out the Maniac pseudo-slip. His reads were disturbingly close to uclabb’s as ghug pointed out, but I think we’ve got better targets for the moment.
krellin - If his claim was indeed false, then I don't know what to do with him. It's obvious he's not the mutant, unless he's signalling the lizards that he wants to work with them with a fake claim. Which seems pretty unlikely to me. I feel like we're sort of forced to just kick the krellin can of worms down the road a little bit and see what comes of it.
Guak – He seems to be in a similar position to PJ in my mind, but also appears more willing to engage. He seems relatively unafraid of suspicion, so he’s my most-town of the “more info” category at the moment, despite a personal suspicion, I’m having trouble corroborating it with actual play.

Potential Human Beings:
ghug - He's a strong personality, and I think he's taking charge a bit like PE did after he joined M2. He’s taken an interesting leap of logic onto bo_sox, though he tends to put more certainty in his cases than I believe is warranted. Still, I’m leaning mostly to the human side of the spectrum, and if he is scum, then he’s putting up a hell of a show.
y2k – He was pretty high on my suspect list in day 1, but after analyzing uclabb’s post-mortem, I think y2k’s pretty unlikely to be a lizard. Maniac seems to be playing that read somewhat logically. If/when Maniac bleeds blue, then we’d have to re-evaluate y2k along those lines.

Confirmed Human Corpses:
Chaqa – I read him as null because he wasn’t giving much more than jokes, as I recall, funnily enough the game’s actually had MORE levity since he died. Guess he wasn’t as funny as he thought.
CptMeme – Sorry he couldn’t go on, and sorry that there wasn’t a replacement handy.
Semck – Didn’t have much of an impression of him, same sort of quiet area as guak.
Squigs – misread him as a non-vanilla role
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
09 Jul 14 UTC
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Actually, that's a big amount of X-posting.

@bo_sox krellin's certainly being far from completely truthful, but do you really think that he would make the best lynch today? He seems like the sort of character that has no qualms about pulling stunts to win a game, and while he's hard to read because of that, I didn't find your case particularly compelling. How do you reconcile the two different personalities in your play, since it's not just krellin seeing it?

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krellin (80 DX)
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:) OR (:
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18 Jul 14 UTC
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Another person killed by stupid aggressive cops for no fucking reason. Is anyone surprised?

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