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JECE (1248 D)
01 Jan 11 UTC
Happy New Year!
January 1 is the deadline to apply to Wesleyan University, the Little Ivy with no supplement! I encourage all you poor high school seniors to apply!
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bartdogg42 (1285 D)
01 Jan 11 UTC
Interested in a 48-hr Anon 101 pt game?
I'd love to get together some good players and start a couple games along with the new year. Seems like a good time to start playing dip again!
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
31 Dec 10 UTC
Teamwork versus Selfishness (AKA Draw versus Go for the Win)
This game has really gotten me frustrated recently. It was really fun when all my games ended in a draw. Playing cut-throat to win has been a lot less fun for me. Maybe I need a break.
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Ursa (1617 D)
01 Jan 11 UTC
A Question about Iberia
See inside.
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Paulsalomon27 (731 D)
01 Jan 11 UTC
Custom Start Game on VDip
Note that this is a vdiplomacy.com site.
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=101

diploMMXI
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curtis (8870 D)
01 Jan 11 UTC
gunboat in 8 min
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DJEcc24 (246 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
A new year 2011
A thread to look back upon the year. What major events happened in 2010. Any new years resolutions? Awesome plans for 2011?
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JesusPetry (258 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
gameID=45304 (gb-37)
I've asked the mods to pause or cancel this game because of an odd situation. I'm sitting an account for a friend and he's also in this game.
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Caviare (123 D)
01 Jan 11 UTC
Confused about the game search results
When I do a search for joinable games, I find a number of games with the lock icon, a password box filled in with bullet points and a join button.
The help text for the lock icon says that it is a private game and I need to know a password. Why is the password box already filled in as though I had already entered a password? Why does the join button look active, as though if I pressed it it would work? Would it?
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ava2790 (232 D(S))
20 Dec 10 UTC
ATTN: HY ROLLERZ 4
Icanhazpauseplz? gameID=42176

Thanks. Will unpause on Wednesday.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Dec 10 UTC
HAPPY BIRTHDAY OBIWAN!!!
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Triumvir (1193 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
New Game
For the players of the recently canceled game, sw4e6qt79.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
31 Dec 10 UTC
2011
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Troodonte (3379 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
Gunboat Randomizer is finished, finally!
gameID=41514
Great game. Thanks podium for the last turns help :)
Good show by barn3tt.
Feel free to make any comments about the game or EOGS.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
29 Dec 10 UTC
New Game....
mapleleaf challenge
2 days /phase (slow) Ante: 500
Anonymous players, Winner-takes-all
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Troodonte (3379 D)
28 Dec 10 UTC
Trying Chaos again!
Last game didn't get the number of players needed in time, so here is the 2nd try:
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=61
Join, it will be fun.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
A Very Good Gunboat game
(in which I didn't participate)
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jwd_001 (340 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
World game
Having not played the world map before I have started a new game with 1day phase length's: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=45673 it's meant for n00bs, i.e. players with <2 games on the world map. I hope some people can join :)
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Taft (100 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
'Pure' Variant
Of all of the variants available on vDiplomacy, 'Pure' is the most intriguing to me. Has anybody ever played it? If you have, I'd love to hear what your experiences were. If you're interested, you can try it here: http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=89
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Jamiet99uk (758 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
What did you get for Christmas?
Just a fun thread - what did you get in your stocking / sack / under the tree this Xmastide?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
22 Dec 10 UTC
FYI: climate change is not a political question....
http://dumbscientist.com/archives/abrupt-climate-change#more-2057
great article, not about how to respond to climate change. "most of the general public appears to believe that the existence of abrupt climate change is a question of politics rather than science." - worth a quick read.
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GCar (145 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
Pause option
What are the rules when someone asks for a pause in the game ?
Are we allowed to refuse ?
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Frank (100 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
gunboat stalemate- what to do?
i am in an anon gunboat game with three powers remaining. we reached a very clear stalemate line 9 years ago.we are now in autumn 1920.

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Emerson (108 D)
31 Dec 10 UTC
Unpause game
the game OSMANLININ DÖNÜŞÜ needs to be unpaused. Turkey has been absent for three weeks and needs to be counted as left
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Macchiavelli (2856 D)
29 Dec 10 UTC
Anyone know a better diplomacy site?
No offense to the makers here and on fb, but this isnt a real dip site.

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peterwiggin (15158 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
PPSC is probably the default because it's all there was originally.
dipbounced.com is all WTA and anonymous, and the gameplay is fairly strong. Unfortunately, it takes forever to get games going there.
"because in the absence of knowing which is better people choose to accept the default (or let the site choose for them) and as was pointed out above NEW players are learning wrong!"

It seems like the difference would be pretty easy to point out ingame, though. I dunno, maybe it's from playing on the site a little already, but the fact that second place gets nothing in a winner-take-all game seems... obvious? Almost insulting to point out to someone?
joey1 (198 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
I may be playing wrong, but I enjoy playing PPSC. When I used to play among friends face to face, it would end up being a see how many supply centers you can grab before we have to go home. I usually don't choose to play WTA games and that is my choice. It may be a 'variant' but I think it fun. And the only reason that I play diplomacy here is because it is fun.
Macchiavelli (2856 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
wow...

that sparked a much larger response than I anticipated to say the least.

I think a few of you grasp my point, though. I'll check dipbounced, thanks.

And for the haters:

Yes, this is a "real" site. Lots of games, lots of players etc etc

But if the site promotes ppsc, its not real dip, its a broken variant.
If you like ppsc, thats cool, but its just not real diplomacy. Its more akin to risk, or axis and allies (minus the dice). In Risk, people just fight, theres some strategy, but if you lose, who cares, its just for fun.

To me, diplomacy should be a little more gritty, a little more serious, a little more cutthroat, a little more WTA. PPSC isnt real dip, and it trains people not to play real dip.

And on an app that hass ppsc games, you will inevitably face players, in a wta game, who play ppsc style out of habit, or because they know no better.

All I'm looking for is a site with exclusively experienced players, who all have a wta mentality.

I don't have the time to amass thousands of points on this app (as i did on fb) just so i could get into a few real dip games.
peterwiggin (15158 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
There's no site out there with exclusively experienced players. I'm trying to set up a game starting sometime late this week or early next week though; Macchiavelli are you interested in giving it a try? It would be WTA, anon, 48 hours, probably <60 bet, and passworded so everybody should be competent.
peterwiggin (15158 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=665976#665976
spyman (424 D(G))
30 Dec 10 UTC
If you have only just migrated from facebook, and if you do stick around I think you will find it much better here. Both the community and the average standard of play.
If you join the leagues or some of the other tournaments you should be able to find yourself in top-notch games without having to accumulate lots of points.
One way to find decent players is to password protect your games and recruit from the forum. Make it clear what sort of game you are looking for and I don't think you will have too much trouble attracting the right sort of players.
spyman (424 D(G))
30 Dec 10 UTC
... players like peterwiggin.
mongoose998 (294 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
no, no I do not know a better diplomacy website then this one. And I am not just saying this because the webdiplomacy moderates are watching this. I am saying this because I mean it
peterwiggin (15158 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
@spyman
How would you know? Have you ever played me?
jman777 (407 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
Macchiavelli I am not entirely sure I understand your problem.

You say that this is not a real diplomacy because it promotes ppsc......but it doesn't promote ppsc any more than it does WTA. ppsc is just the default option because it burns newbees less when they don't win their first game. Once you get used to the site and the format you can very easily switch the games you create/join to WTA. It sounds to me that you're just whining for no reason.
spyman (424 D(G))
30 Dec 10 UTC
lol, peterwiggin. I don't think we have ever played. I said that because just as suggested creating a password protected game, you posted the link to your own game, promising the very sort of game macchiavellli said he was looking for.
But now that you mention it, your stats are impressive.
spyman (424 D(G))
30 Dec 10 UTC
typo... just as *i suggested created a password protected game, you posted...
peterwiggin (15158 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
It's just a thread . . . I don't have players together yet.
peterwiggin (15158 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
and my stats are only impressive because I type quickly enough to be persuasive in live games (and because people in live games do stupid things sometimes).
Babak (26982 D(B))
30 Dec 10 UTC
Mach - I totally and completely understand your point, and this discussion has been had hundreds of times. I fall 100% in your camp on this and have called the PPSC a "bastardized mutation of the real thing".

but you are missing something.

this community has 3000 ACTIVE players (at least one game in the past 2 months). among those 3000, are a few hundred AMAZINGLY awesome experienced players with whom i absolutely enjoy playing this game.

I come from a PBEM, FTF, and Tournament background of dip, and know exactly what your point is... that the newb introduction to PPSC promotes a warped understanding of this beautiful game that ruins many of them... and I absolutely hate that PPSC is somewhat of a norm rather than relegated to 'crappy variant' where it belongs.


BUT>>>>>>>

all things considered, this is THE best 'real dip' community you will find. PBEM is a dying form of the game... the most active of them have 800-1000 registered players... the other online versions are either behind pay-walls or have much lower caliber of play.

what I CAN promise you is that if you are a fan of this game for real and imagine you'll play it for a long time... then make your home here and you will not regret it. i've been here now 2+ years, and can promise you that the cream rises to the top. there are sub-communities for tournaments, for WTA players, and an awesome semi-official rating system...

and I am certain that within the next few years, we may even have some sort of 'exclusive' elite player's club...

long story short... if you want an awesome game with awesome players RIGHT NOW, go find 6 good dip players and play ftf or try to get into a game on ACD or a PBEM site. but if you want a lifetime of good games, start here... spend 2-3 months to EARN your right to play with the good players, and you wont regret it.


@ the rest of the community...

we HAVE to be aware that our site does some things really well (attract and keep new players; build a community; provide us with hours and hours of fun) but it also does some things VERY poorly... like attracting experienced and historic dip players.

maybe as a community we dont care... but as an individual I know I do. I would like to think that we DO have the caliber and heft to bring those players and make them part of our community... just like I and dozens of other former PBEM 'purists' have come and made our dip-home here... but I do think we need to really change our attitude in how we respond to them sometimes... instead of being knee-jerk defensive or abrasive, to put ourselves in their shoes, and realize that this community is hard to 'get' from the get-go... that we need to guide them a bit.

I want to thank pw, spyman, figles and some of the others for the way they handled this thread... but I do ask that some of you, in your haste and emotional desire to defend the 'honor' of his site, be more considerate and thoughtful about your responses. j

as usual... just my 2 cents.
peterwiggin (15158 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
My personal theory is . . . if they come in here and complain about PPSC and how it's ruining the game, they're either good players or full of themselves. The best way to find out is to invite them for a little game with some good players.
butterhead (90 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
ooohhh I got a plus 2??? that puts me at... + 2!!! yay me! and as for the PPSC being "broken", I must argue this point... as it has been stated already, many players would be losing their first game and say, I hate that game, and leave. In a PPSC, they get points for trying... and than, when you get better, you can say, ok, let me try a game where I dont get points back... and see how that goes... Its not teaching wrong, Its just a different way of getting new players to start playing... I for one, prefer PPSC, because I have a different style of play... I want to play for every supply center, but my main concern isn't winning, Its having fun... maybe Its because Ive only played for about 6 months now, or maybe thats just me... WTA is great, but PPSC gives you the oppurtunity to get that few points for sticking out the game and finishing with a Center or 2... may not be the way it was originally taught, doesnt mean there is nothing wrong with it... and as previously stated by others, dont like PPSC? play WTA with a password to get optimal results...
make that +3
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
30 Dec 10 UTC
I like both. WTA is ok for higher level games but I very rarely make or join a live WTA game because a) I don't want to waste all my points in one bad live game and b) WTA games always seem to end in draws.

I like PPSC because I like games to have a winner, but in WTA games too many people play to draw and are too afraid of risking anything in case it backfires, whereas in PPSC more risk is used and therefore it is more fun.
If that IS the case with WTA games, then it isn't a good game. For me the site is built to play to win, not to accumulate lots of points. You can, if you want, play WTA and play for draws in big value games and gather points. You can, if you want, play PPSC and grab SCs and and to your total. But neither approach is what the site should be able to encourage, which is risking everything and playing for the solo first and the draw if you have to. Lose everything in doing that? Get your 100 back again. No big deal... unless your target is to grab as many points as you can. Which tells me what? Doesn't tell me you're a good player; it tells me you'll settle.

There's something not quite right about the "get as much as you can then play in the big value games" thing, either. If you are going to learn to play Dip well, you need to be playing in a game where you can see it being played well. If that is the only way to play against better players, then new members have to play in the games where nearly every power suffers CD and communication is nearly worthless. I can see how new members with knowledge of the game would be turned off by that.

PPSC does produce skewed games. It's like playing in a tournament where Detour98F or some similar version is being used. You can tell the poor players - they're the ones scrabbling for as many SCs as possible. I doubt I'll play many PPSC games now I know what I'm looking for. And likening them to ftf games where you try and grab as many SCs as possible simply shows how hard it can be to get good ftf games (which is a shame).

For me, at least, if you want to play a good game of Dip, players take no notice of how many points they're accumulating and just get on with it, enjoying each game for what it is. Otherwise you get another variant of Dip: Metagame Dip. I'm not talking about team play I'm talking about games where players go into the game looking simply to up their points, and possibly going into it aiming to draw. It becomes about upping your points not about each game standing alone.

Tournaments are another issue. I love tournaments. If you want a good game, play in a tournament :P. The thing is, here, that means maintaining enough points for a certain period to be able to participate, and that, in turn, means having to play non-tournament games to accumulate points. If entry into tournament games was the bare minimum of points that would be a necessary compromise. TDs could select who they wanted to enter by other means than by setting high entry rates.

Having said all that, there's enough evidence here to suggest both PPSC and WTA have their place on site. As has been said, you can choose which you want to play generally (although not if you take over a CD power).

And finally, you will NEVER find a site where you can guarantee playing ONLY against great players. Neither by PBEM, human GM or automatic judges. This is internet Dip; there'll always be good a mixture of better and worse players, and there'll always be a mixture of those who are just trying it out and don't stay to finish a game. CDs won't be prevented by any system.
SacredDigits (102 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
Not to derail here, but I like the site a lot since joining a little bit ago, and I don't even dislike the PPSC stuff. What I do dislike, and this may sound weird, are the dropdowns. Miswriting moves and the resulting epic fails is a part of the game on the learning level, and I think that being physically unable to do that (well, convoy moves and such can still be bungled) makes new players less likely to grasp how important each move is. Heck, I'm an old player and I've found myself getting lazy from the dropdowns and that leading to foolishness that never would have happened had I had to type each one out or whatever.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
30 Dec 10 UTC
That's human error, and it's easier on the computer system to have drop downs than typing it out. Typoes would then have the same effect? All you need to do is save your orders. Go look at another webpage for a minute or do something. Come back. Look at your orders. Are they what you want? Double Check each one. Ready up.
Agreed. Instituting typing orders would need to accommodate typoes and would cause more problems with an automatic judge. Human GM, less of a problem as humans can recognise ambiguity; automatic judges should not.

There was some high-minded stuff about people should be typing orders in somewhere (I THINK the wiki section on Internet Dip) so that it gets people used to writing orders for ftf games/tournaments. Which is ridiculous. Internet Dip isn't about getting people to play ftf; it's about bringing players together for games they wouldn't normally get the chance to play regularly. Plus I would imagine that if you can play Dip, you will probably have the intelligence to pick up the ability to write orders fairly quickly (although that may be too general a conclusion to reach :P ).
SacredDigits (102 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
I had a little experience with another site which had full dropdowns, and allowed you to write in...any destination. Like, Liverpool to Moscow. It would be a compromise.
SacredDigits (102 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
But okay, let me be honest. This is the best site out there that I've seen, and I'm just pissed at myself because I somehow managed to screw up orders at a bad time even with the dropdown.
Dharmaton (2398 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
LOL, lost TWO units on another continent that way.
Yup, best site ;-)
figlesquidge (2131 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
I do agree PPSC has notable flaws. However, it does its job well, which is produce a rough ranking scheme without crushing a newbies spirit the first time he plays.

Further up someone mentioned about WTAs always leading to draws. This is not because people are scared of going for the victory (in general), merely that lots of them have high standards of play. If a game is played well and a player looks on the verge of victory, you expect their opponents to band together to stop them!
Maniac (184 D(B))
30 Dec 10 UTC
I have a confession...my car is not a model T Ford, my house isn't made of wattle and duab, I sometimes allow my son to use proper nouns when we play scrabble and I didn't have a ultra traditional xmas. Will the purist Police be visiting me anytime soon?
Maniac (184 D(B))
30 Dec 10 UTC
Oh yes and sometimes I play PPSC

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Dpddouglass (908 D)
30 Dec 10 UTC
New Gunboat
Ring in the new year with a gunboat game! 2 days, 101 pts.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=45692
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Daiichi (100 D)
29 Dec 10 UTC
Ranks
How is this possible? This morning my rank was "Member" I had som 150 or more points, and one "won" less, everything else was the same. Now i look at myself, because i have won 1 game and have joined another, and my rank has came down to political puppet again.
The rank is based in the points, or in the won, draw, lost, etc stactics?
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
29 Dec 10 UTC
if you don't laugh you'll cry
though I suppose curling up in the fetal position is always another option
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terry32smith (0 DX)
30 Dec 10 UTC
Live Game - 5 min - Needs only 2 - starts shortly
We Need 2! - 5 min - message ok - starts @ 7:40am PST

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=45664
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Jimbozig (0 DX)
26 Dec 10 UTC
new gunboats
some of you have been playing my gb series of games. Here's the next batch. all are welcome.
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