@snowy ... concise is bad for reads. Make your posts full of good content, but feel free to scum slip.

Who wants to be my co for M29?

@darg I am perhaps placed in a unique position where I post as much, if not more, than bb does himself. I hardly think you ought to be concerned that I need change my play to "fill his shoes", so to speak. It was more of a call for others to talk more, as you did yourself. Though I daresay it's not much of a shoe to fill regardless.

Also, you say Maniac's silly shots does not make you *sure* that he is scum. Leaving aside certainty, which side does it make you lean, however minute?

@Vash, I recall your motivation for your behavior was that you were roleplaying cop to draw a night kill. As no such role exists, how do you intend to justify playing in such an inherently selfish manner that focuses on clearing yourself? Yes, you could help make a decisive push on a correct lynch, but that would be on the back of information already gathered by other players. You seem like a competent player yourself, if the last game is any judge. Why do you intend to sequester yourself in your hole of (temporary) uselessness again?

"Though given last game this quote by Maniac is "
Maniac is what? I get the gist of it, but I would appreciate it if you would clarify.

Also, I do not think helping lynch the ghost would clear anyone.

@snowy... ive done a little bit before but i am pretty confident that i know what to do this time round

@snowy I'm fairly inexperienced with third parties, what's not to like about killing the ghost?

lmao vote snowy

It is more to say that mafia would just as well lynch ghost.

@snowy Good point, I guess mafia might even have a better shot at identifying ghost, since secretive/scummy people who they knew weren't one of them could very well be ghost.

If you wish to vote someone, please make sure there is a double octothorpe before the vote, like such: ##vote snowy801

That being said, ##unvote

I'm curious as to why you would do so, if you're willing to share.

@snowy... I think that Maniac doesn't seem unlike Maniac. The lack of a 'joke phase' is the only thing that makes his sword-swinging seem a little odd. But this seems like him 'a little farther into the game' imo. I don't read him as scum.

Would you raise your suspicion on someone who helps lead a lynch on the ghost thereby?

At last. First I'd like to officially apologize for M26. I blame Mystic Vale and Empires: Age of Discovery for missing deadline.

So the flavor sequel to M20. I hope this goes better than last time.

At the risk of being called out for being serious, I think the absolute randomness of the setup (I.E: Guns) has people scared to post for fear of hipfire.

On another note ##Vote ND for fucking up the game thread

@snowy No. Not unless they dismissed someone who seemed like a much better lynch candidate to do so, since that would signal, to me, that they were avoiding a scumbuddy to jump on a potential ghost.

It seems to me that you are the most talkative about the ghost so far. Personally, I am perfectly glad to see the ghost caught. I am not sure how we would go about that... although I see that scum would have more of an opportunity to know this early (as someone else already said.) I would expect, though, a ghost to lie low at this point in the game.

@darg who is that comment directed to?

Regardless, unlike PRs there is no harm in discussing the identity of the ghost. Further, I believe it is little use trying to distinguish ghost from mafia, and just lynch the disingenuous until the game ends. I will comment that such thinking is dangerous, as they could easily use such expectations against you. The wunderkind Daniel comes to mind.

@RHK hello again. One should hope that this game fares better for us than our most recent. I don't think the hipfire is an overt concern, as there is a 50% chance the gun will kill the shooter instead. If that is indeed something affecting town mentality it should be corrected, but I don't believe this to be particularly relevant. How did you come to this conclusion?

@snowy... why do you think the gun has 50% chance of killing the shooter??

It is my understanding that of the four guns, two are fabricated and will backfire upon the shooter, and the shooter has no method of distinguishing between the types (until some guns get fired, which has yet to occur). If I am mistaken on this, please let me know, but I'm relatively certain about this. I discussed with brainbomb on the topic on discord prior to game start.

@darg: Because the GMs are dicks and included fabricated items in the original roll of the game.

I suppose it should further be clarified that there are potentially 0-4 guns in the game. But the probability remains the same.

I agree that the descriptions have two types of guns... there are two real ones and two fabs. But what you wrote seemed to say that a gun (every gun) has a 50% chance of shooting the shooter. TWO of the guns have a 50% chance. Which is not to say that the shooter shouldn't be careful to shoot. Your stats just make it seem worse than it is.

What you just said, which is indeed what I implied, is true. I fail to see the problem.

Every gun has a 50% chance of backfiring.

##vote snowy

Aside from that, what do you suppose it would mean if someone were to deliberately overstate the risks of shooting the gun? What agenda could that imply?

Ah, I see the problem now. Your misconception lies in that each fabricated gun has a 100% chance of backfiring, not 50%.

I feel that about half of the field would hipfire given an egregious enough trespass, regardless of possibility of suicide.

Also, if you look at the setup, counting every item as max would make 32, there are 21 players. We have no idea what the fuck is in play.

The ghost is a non factor for the first few days but is very player dependent. In the last time it was used (20), the ghost had the nasty ability to re-aim gunshots and saved maf twice (iirc), here it seems the power was toned back, and I wouldn't worry about them for a few days at least.

##Call GM (Because I'm too lazy to scour the sign up thread atm)
- Do we learn about held items and if haunted on played flip?

Good night everybody. I wasn't expecting the game to start today, so just now I look the site and saw my role PM.
I think this game will be really interesting, the itens and fab itens will change the dinamics a bit.
Agree with Snowy about the ghost, it's pretty useless to treat the ghost different from other scum, we need to lynch both and ghost could even be nightkilled I think.

##GM NOTE Items are never revealed on death. Haunting is revealed on death.

Hello all, pleasure to play with you all again or for the first time.

So, I don't see the point in keeping this secret. I have a "gun." Considering the fact that there are up to 2 fake guns that could kill me, I'm not sure I would ever actually use it. I mean just look at me. I'm freaking valuable. Plus, the value of my weapon diminishes each day, with risks of item thieves and haunts and whatnot. So if I use it at all, it's probably today.

Would somebody who knows what they are doing please direct me on optimal strategy here. What should I do with my "gun"?

##vote oztra.

Oztra is clearly present and paying attention. He's visited Peter's site already and does not consider himself a complete novice. Yet, his vote is on Snowy with no explanation. Fuck that. Snowy is our most prolific poster and seems to be generally not doing anything horrible. Was there a scumslip? Oztra certainly isn't saying.

If mafia Snowy is going to smear himself in scummy scum-juice with all this posting, we should let him do it. If this is town snowy, he's being productive. A vote to put him on the defensive or shut him up is bad for town regardless of his alignment.
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Unrelated, I find this introduction by Balki highly questionable. Town doesn't gain anything from hearing he has a gun. Directing discussion toward his shit item and away from scum-hunting is bad for town. If the mafia believes him, they can use this information to target someone potentially more valuable, like the nifty doctor and cop items.