"Would my fellow Liberals please, for the sake of us all, give him the benefit of the doubt, stop baiting him, and try to support him in this quest for civility?"

I would like to just address this.

During our Trayvon Martin exchanges I decided it was time to stop insulting krellin in return for his insults to me.

I decided to take him seriously and respond to his points and ignore his insults, and apologized for when I had insulted him before.

Of course, I was not met halfway, but I didn't expect to be.

So if krellin would like to tone down the insults, I would welcome it. I would applaud it and give him credit for doing the right thing.

As it stands I think his views would be taken much more seriously in this forum if he do so much name-calling, but I can't pretend to know how to convert people to Objectivism.

THUCY: "I think Thucy is a decent human being, truth be known. Probably give you the shirt off his back. I think he bonkers in the old brain box and I think his reasons for giving you his shirt will be a little off kilter...but he's a decent fellow none the less."


Learn to read,

I appreciate that krellin; it doesn't change the fact that you insult me left and right. I had read it.

OK, so back on topic... Krellin and I both agree that the idea of "equality of outcome" is utter bullshit. It should be equality of opportunity. Outcome is up to the individual if they choose to take advantage of the opportunity or not. Just because someone breathes doe snot mean they had a right to make $103k last year. I made what I made because I put forth the effort and used the brains I had to solve problems for my clients that they hadn't been able to solve themselves. Does that mean the garbage man who put in 10 hours a day, 6 days a week is worth less than me? As a person, no. As a contributor to society, arguable. In their worth to my clients, yes. My client's feel I am worth $100+k per year and he is worth $20k per year (or whatever he makes). That isn't racist and it isn't because he doesn't have equal opportunity. But if you think I'm willing to give him $40k so he gets $60k and I get $60k, well you are simply full of shit.

"It should be equality of opportunity" - of course this is social justice, opportunity regardless of age, race, class, sex, sexual preference, etc, etc.
This relates to access to education, health care, public services, work, benefits, travel, voting rights, legal defense, in a trial, clean water, etc, etc
Many countries do not have some or all of these rights.

Seriously, Krellin.

I've been doing much the same as Thucy... regardless of what you say, I'm maintaining civility.

Just because once or twice you aren't a raging asshole in your comments doesn't mean we didn't notice and aren't remembering the few hundred other times you were a complete ass.

I'll give credit when credit is due, but it cuts both ways.

Jack, you and Thucy and Yellow and friends do *exactly* what you claim to hate. You insult me with relish and glee...you problem is you lack my particular flare with language... it this does finish in the least part that you spend a fair amount of time attacking, insulti, belittling and berating people you disagree with. Your holier than thou bullshit is as transparent as thin air.

... it does not Diminish in the least part...

(Stupid phone...)

Hey krellin why wont you debate me?

You're so eloquent why can't we have a nice chat about your daughter?

I would love to hear your "particular flare with language" used to describe her supple curves.

Perhaps after you are done I could use my own inferior vernacular to try to paint a somewhat reasonable picture of all your little princess has to offer.

I bet Princess K is rocking at least a C cup.

Wont you please educate me on the finer points of the English langues, vis a vis the context of your little girl's sexual appetites?

I bet she's gonna bring home a black guy some day. Maybe even me.

Maybe she'll get knocked up and you can have a half-black grandson. Bet you'll make sure to tell him that it's cool that you say Nigger it ain't racist.

Bet you'll stand up for your race.

Nothing unexpected or shocking here YJ. Not even the silence of your Liberal pals.

I Find this *entirely* predictable and, frankly, and boring. But carry on...I'm sure all your good Liberal allies here are tittering in delight at you.

I bet she wears those tight yoga pants all the teenagers are wearing... they say something on the butt so you have an excuse to stare....mmmm

Lol....keep it up. Classic. Yes, to this good Liberal and his silent allies, Women are objects of sex, sex itself is a weapon...and for good measure he ties peace in as a weapon of insult (in his perverse mind, anyway).

Very good, YJ. These are all fine exampls.

Do continue...

krellin had her first, krellin had her best. Don't worry bro I'm not trying to step on that.

I wonder if Princess K likes watersports?

@YJ - Your taking it a bit far and turning into a mega-douche and uber-fucktard.

YJ, please stop. Just, stop. Seriously, you're just gross.

True colors revealed, my friends. Its probably my not his fault...errrr...yeahhh....

I've just to understand why people like YJ think that comments like that are acceptable on any level.

wow, that was unintelligible, i guess that's what can happen when you re-word a sentence whilst typing. It was supposed to read "I'm yet to understand..."

I've yet to understand why those that have made such loud and frequent posts about the use of such language are not offering to slap Y's hand. I hate to refer again to the hive-mind...but...

We are all quite aware the the Usual Suspects of the righteous use of language, those Noble souls who stand for all truth and equality, who demand equal and respectful treatment of all, regardless of race, creed or gender...those Noble souls...(and you know who you are...)...we *know* they are lurking about, watching one of their own use gender, sex and even race as a weapon...

....and yet they are silent. It's....odd?

No...not odd at all. They protect their own, as had been pointed out time and time and time and time again when the ill deeds of many a good Liberals are exposed.

Actually, I had honestly thought that we had made progress...that these Noble creatures that lurk about the forums would be here to administer Equal Justice...even if it meant berating one of their own.

Sadly...it appears there is still much work to be done...

What YJ is doing is the type of insulting I don't do, but you do to me, krellin.

It's low, crass, bullshit.

No, Thucy, I have never done anything to you of the nature that YJ attempted to do to me here. I say attempted because I consider the source and laugh it off - it was not surprising or even shocking, in reality.

BUT....for those that give power to language (You), I expect a full diatribe of outrage, as you often hold in reserve for those instances where you perceive that I, or another conservative, has done something to offend you, women, minorities, etc.

In other words, Thucy, I expect you to be, just once, *consistent*.

You, my dear boy, as I have pointed out before, have very selective outrage. Oh sure....you came here now and made your obligatory negative comments because I have called you out. It was a half-hearted attempt, at best. Truly no outrage to be seen, but this is because....well, I don't know, Thucy? Especially since this is *hardly* the first time the YellowJacket has done such a thing. It's rather a frequent occurence from him, in fact....but then again, he takes up the Liberal banner and carries those arguments on when you are not around....he is "one of you" is you will forgive me lumping you together, as you would lump Draug and I and others together.

So...honestly, I was hoping for some true outrage from you Thucy....for YellowJacket truly hurts your cause. I know...such expectations were silly of me.