I'm sorry - I debated whether to bring this up or not - but Maniac - are you power role claiming? If you are its - done really badly and there was absolutely no need for it - if your not what was the point of dropping the comment in. This isn't breadcrumbing its outright firing off bloody cannons

@chaqa - if krellin isn't fake claiming he is likely to be blocked and shot so scanning him seems a bit of a waste. If he survives the night, he should be shot tomorrow. Why waste the scan? It's interesting that you seem to be contributing more now the day has ended are your fellow reptiles also nocturnal?

@PJ - no. I'm collecting votes for power roles to consider, but they can make their own minds up. Why would anyone power claim at night?

Well, this just got interesting.

I only suggest scanning krellin if you indeed think he's fake claiming (which I do not).

"Why did you act so erratically if you have a town power role?"
Define "erratic". First of all, I have already explained myself over and over again. I open up the thread on day 1 and see **immediately** a couple of **fools** making accusations that people are scum. and I mean **immediately**. How am I supposed to take this game seriously, how am I supposed to have any fun playing, when it is full of ridiculous morons that think they have super-psychic abilities to determine guilt and innocence based upon, for example, Chaqa's joke. Fuck that shit. As I said before, lynch me if you want tomorrow - fuck it, I don't care. I'm sick and tired of the krellin-bashing. I sick and tired of a bunch fo know-it-all assclowns telling me how people are and are not supposed to act **particualarly** when their phsyic power SO CLEARLY SUCK.

sO FUCK IT...kill me tomorrow - I don't give a fuck.

I'm going to stick to my guns for now and assume that krellin is a power role. If the claim was fake, he's going to end up lynched, and he's going to end up taking a ton of flack for it if he's just a townie because he's a) stealing the protection during the night, and b) causing other townies to get lynched. So I really, really hope his claim was true. As long as he is, he's safe right now.

Chaqa hasn't said anything to dissuade me from the opinion I had on him before. Actually, quite the opposite. He now wants us to excuse his behavior because he's just "spicing things up" and that we shouldn't "read too much into it" - why not? Why should we just give you pass when your analysis has been so dry? We have nothing else to go on.

I don't know why Maniac wants us to quit discussing our three biggest topics so far of WIFOM, lurkers, and the day one lynch. If we don't discuss any of these things any more, we're going to sit silent. Bad idea.

@Maniac … sorry bro, you just slipped. You didn't mean to, but you did.

@krellin … if you want out, resign. If you're going to keep playing, stop telling us to lynch you. Pick one, and don't say anything about whichever one you choose; just do it.

My list:

Scum -
Chaqa
Krellin
Uclabb
Y2K
WD (very slight)

Null -
Maniac
Ghug
ILN

Town -
Semck
PJ
Guak

, I'll respond to Guak and his question why I offered to correct my scummy behavior only when I started getting votes. The only scummy behavior I believe I am guilty of so far is lurking. Other claims of scummy behavior exhibited from me are stretches and misguided reads. But then again, aren't the vast majority of scum reads from town on day 1 usually against other townies? The numbers say it's likely. Factor in the mafia influencing other townies? This is exactly how i started considering a no-lynch Day 1. We were all grasping at straws. Now that we have a full day behind us, there are past actions to base our accusations on requiring explanations for behavior from individuals. I wouldn't have voted no-lynch yesterday if I didn't feel so pressured to vote by everyone. People want others to vote to give concrete information on their suspicions and I get that, but I'm having the same thought process as Krellin. It's reinforcing my belief that he's town as well because I understand his perspective, and I'm having trouble rationalizing his actions as mafia. So yes I do believe his claim.

Anyway, the lurking was me just being averse to all the baseless accusations coming from everyone, including myself I felt. I'm certainly not certain about my scum read on semck, or anyone yet, I have to go back and read Day 1 closer and be prepared to cross-analyze that with the night results tonight in the event I live and need to actively find scum.

I *would* have voted no-lynch.

bo, there's no analysis to be done yet. The day 1 lynch was a clusterfuck and tells us almost nothing, other than I'm guilty for disagreeing, apparently, and so is krellin according to Maniac.

Night actions will reveal more.

It's Day 1, there's no multi-paragraph super-look-at-me-I-can-anal-ize-things posts needed

"But then again, aren't the vast majority of scum reads from town on day 1 usually against other townies? The numbers say it's likely. Factor in the mafia influencing other townies?"

good lord, a voice of reason!!!!

huh....seems krellin isn't so crazy after all, as in the darkness of Day 1 the reflection of a few is **exactly** in line with what I have been saying all along...

Meaning that those we should be looking at on Day 2 ar those blood-thirsty lynch-a-holics frm Day 1 who just couldn't wait to start flinging accustions around and get someone killed with little or no information.

By generating such early accusations, they established themselves as "leaders", and deflected any attention to themselves by drumming up negative feelings about others...

and....by the way....had we been wise and decided not to lynch anyone, we *still* would have had the wild-ass accusation flingers to examine on Day 2...

This is stupid. Town players exist to be sacrificed. Obviously I would have preferred if Squigs had been guilty and meme hadn't died, but it is what it is, it had to be done, and there's no use bitching about it now.

Krellin, drop the victim mentality. You didn't nearly get lynched day one because you dared to disagree. You nearly got lynched because you were constantly contradicting yourself, refusing to answer the questions asked of you, and being generally unhelpful. This continued whining does nothing to help anyone, and it makes the game way less fun for everyone.

Bo/pj, how did maniac slip? I don't agree with voting on power role targets, but I don't see anything particularly scummy about the suggestion. Is there something I'm missing?

@ghug ... Read this slowly and tell me what you think. I think there's two ways to take it, one being that Maniac just admitted to holding a power role or that Maniac's autocorrect replaced "SK" with "me" - that would be a hell of a coincidence. This is from his post on the last page.

"The odds of the govt now surviving having lost Squigs and Captmeme are not good. Krellin is trying to fool the doc to save him which leaves me and the Vig exposed. We should shoot krellin tomorrow without fail."

@Chaqa ... I'm looking to analyze everything and I hope you're analyzing everything as well. It may not appear important now but there's no way of knowing what information we dug up today will become important later.

lol krellin, I called you a voice of reason in M1 when I was mafia and you were town :)

y2k - what are the chances that you and I are revisting the past? lol Yeah...I don't think so...

ghug, no I did not constantly contradict myself. You know Mr Know-it-all, it IS POSSIBLE for one to change ideas, change viewpoints, change strategy, etc. that does not imply a contradiction...it implies a change in thinking.

God, are you this pigheaded and dense in real life, too?

I almost got lynched because certain morons think they know everything about a man by the mere whiff of a fart. And you, my friend, are now the Chief Fart-Sniffer.

As for fun, I'm having fun. I'm sorry that you can only have fun is everyone is in 100% lock-step with your Dictatorship, Mr Fart-Sniffer.

Frankly, your bullying behavior, imho, is very Lizard-like...you seek to control, not dialgoue

You seek to cast doubt and fear uncontested, and get very angry if anyone questions you...

As for my "victim mentality" --- what woudl you have me do, NOT defend myself? When I abdicate to your (failed) psychic powers and say to go ahead and kill me, that pisses you off too, Mr. Fart-Sniffer, Oh King-Of-Contradictions...

I'm kind of busy right now but will explain my earlier post that has Bo concerned. In the meantime to the real Doc, Cop and Vig - whatever I may have said is not a reaction test - do not under any circumstances reveal yourselves. I know this shouldn't need saying but there is a chance that these roles are held by newbs and they may not be aware of the importance of keeping quiet. I exposed myself too early in my first game and could have lost us the game. I will be back on later to explain more.

Maiac - NO - dont' explain yourself. Nobody like the "victim mentality". Just let it go and take your pending lynchign like a man, damnit!

Oh look, krellin's being intentionally thickheaded and misrepresenting me again. This is new and interesting.

Krellin, I have no problem with you defending yourself. That is good. What is not good is laying the blame on everything else for everything that is happening and whining about your pending lynch when it's pretty clear that there is not a big push for lynching you. This is a game of personal interactions, and your antics nearly got you killed and have now put the town in a worse position. You can say it's not your fault all you want, and frankly, I don't really care about laying blame, but whining about how terrible everyone else is and how stupid the game is doesn't help anyone.

Mr. Fartsniffer - there is no misrepesentation, there is only opinion. Like your fucked up fartsniffer opinions of me based upon sketchy bullshit day 1 nonsense.

You are a mafia bully...seeking to dominate and control and make sure the conversation never turns on you. I won't allow this to happen, and I suggest everyone take a long, hard look at you....after all, you already have one townie's blood on your hands...

I never said the game is terrible. I say you are terrible. I say your phsyic abilities suck. I say that your god-damned constant self-assuredness is bullshit - as if you have all the knowledge, and everyone is supposed to behave exactly as you demand they play. It is YOU that stifles conversation -- which is *ABSOLUTELY* lizard behavior.

I have expalined my behavior MULTIPLE times. You ahve never rejected my explanation -- you simply ignore it, and go on with your bullshit. You bitch about my behavior -- well, I have explained it. MOVE THE FUCK ON and discuss my explanation....but you refuse to do that, becuase YOU HAVE AN AGENDA.

Please make a case against ghug, either that or shuuuut upppp.....

I'm going to post this now because there's a very real chance I won't be home from work before 7, and this is the last break I have before a meeting and my drive home.

1. ghug: 100% guaranteed gecko
2. y2kjbk: mild (like a good sauce) scum read
3. Chaqa: 100% scum, lynch this man
4. Krellin: town member or Mutant, possible power role
5. semck83: mild town lean
6. Squigs44: dead Government dude, RIP
7. Maniac: strong scum read
8. CaptainMeme: dead Government dude, RIP
9. WardenDresden: mild scum read, but not severe enough to vote
10. Guak: null. Need more data
11. Bo_sox48: Need to see more. Outspoken, slight town lean.
12. uclabb: Would have said slight town, but neutral now.
13. pjmansfield99: slight town, for some reason I feel he's a Mutant
14. ILN: strong scum

If I had to pick four people as scum right now, I'd say:
- ghug
- ILN
- pjman
- uclabb