Some Q's

1. Lazy Cop/Marine/Ninja, am I right in reading these guys as Cop/Vig/Godfather respectively with a little plus-side and no downside?
2. Marine: suicide bomb is sudden and can be invoked at any point?
3. Gunsmith: if someone receives a gun, the next day they have to use it or lose it?
4. I'm confused when the one-off mafia abilities of strongman and puppeteer can be invoked.

Why is he a lazy cop if he's better than normal cop? Why not "Hard-working cop">

Thoughts:

1) Dislike the bomb-kill being random rather than the controllable "first to vote gets killed", but that's a town buff so hey.

2) Marine is interesting. Might be a bit OP to have a town-sided suicide bomber & vigilante combined, but certainly adds something.

3) Lazy Cop has a significant downside; y2k - it doesn't get the report til the next night, rather than at the day. So if you investgiate someone N1, you don't know what they are until N2. Though usually it's not been until D2 that you get the report, a full day later, when I've used this. So not as lazy as usual. That could be handy.

4) Townsided Angel will be a tough one to play, as it's a one-shot thing and you might not actually want to protect anyone N1 - does it *have* to be used N1, or you can you delay and use it later, @GM's?

5) Three guns from gunsmith. Chaos looms.

6) In the Cop description, it says Ninja is immune to cop - which is... unusual. Usually it's only immune to tracker & bomb. Is this deliberate, as it does not say that in the Ninja description? #CallGM

7) Driver is a nightmare of a role. Have fun GM'ing that.

8) Are the Ninja/Godfather selections random or are they tied to whether there's a cop/tracker? A godfather with a tracker is essentially useless, after all.

9) Stalker should be called Scout. That's not a Stalker. >:(

10) Power Thief stealing the bomb's power somehow survives despite wearing a suicide vest that kills the other person. What??

Responses:

1. Lazy Cop/Marine/Ninja, am I right in reading these guys as Cop/Vig/Godfather respectively with a little plus-side and no downside?
-Lazy Cop does have a down-side, ninja potentially has a down-side, marine doesn't really have a down-side.
2. Marine: suicide bomb is sudden and can be invoked at any point?
-Yes.
3. Gunsmith: if someone receives a gun, the next day they have to use it or lose it?
-Yes.
4. I'm confused when the one-off mafia abilities of strongman and puppeteer can be invoked.
-Any time.
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Clarification on the Angel - the Angel is compulsive, but not limited-use. Night one, angel picks two players. They can't die by NK unless angel is RB'd, but angel can die if either of them are lynched.
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CLARIFICATION ON POWER-THIEF / BOMB - I mean, it doesn't really help the thief if they kill someone else but die. After all, they are a third-party.

@HR

4) DL answered this one.

6) I believe this is a mistake, Ninja should only be Tracker and Bomb immune. I'll ask DL about it to be sure.

8) They're random. There could be a Godfather with a Tracker or a Ninja with a Cop.

10) We decided to change that ability for the Power Thief a little because as a third party role the Power Thief has no benefit to killing someone after their own death. I believe the story is that the PT stole the vest and used it to booby trap his house or something, he's not actually wearing it :)

Just my luck to join Mafia for the first ever time, and someone decides to massively over-complicate the rules compared to previous versions...

Yeah, this is gonna be... interesting.

@HR - what Meme said for #6 is correct

@Jamiet - love you too

Sorry, DeadLlamate, I'm just struggling enough with the concept that grasping all the additional complexity is worrying me a bit.

Oh, I have a question. Can I vote to lynch myself?

Yay! The return of the Power Theif :)

Hopefully they won't die on Day 1 this time round.

Yes, but don't. It's stupid.

@Jamie: Yes, you can vote to lynch yourself -- but this is entirely pointless and will look "scummy" if you do.

I can see times, although rarely, when it would be a sensible vote.

It won't look scummy, it will just look stupid, which in my opinion is worse than scummy.

Jamiet, as town, you should never resign to your own death because you know you are town. The only instance where it could be acceptable is if you are up for lynch against a town-PR, wherein your death as a VT would be less damaging than his. Otherwise, you shouldn't vote for yourself, even to break a tie.

Say you're a vanilla townie.

Say there are 11 people left alive.

Say you're leaving it late to cast your vote.

Say that everyone else has voted and only two people are voted for. Each has 5 votes.

Say you've deduced, to your satisfaction, that both the people proposed for lynching are townies, but that the majority of the players left have been persuaded otherwise, by the skilful press of the mafiosi.

Say you don't want to vote for any of the other players because you the above is *all* you've worked out, and you don't want to annoy anyone into nominating you next time.

So you vote for yourself and neither of your fellow townies gets lynched.

Also what if there are 10 players left, there are 4 votes to lynch you, and 5 votes to lynch another player who you've deduced is a town-PR?

In that sense voting for yourself and thus preventing any lynching might also be a valid choice.

You'd have to weigh up the possibility of that person being or not being town-aligned, against what you know to be a certainty that you are town-aligned.

Yes but it's possible that I would know with certainty that they are also town-aligned. Like, let's say the person on 5 votes is the Friendly Headmaster.

Good point :)

That power-thief role sounds awesome. Pick me, pick me

##Lynch Vecna in case they do.

I mean, if the vote is tied with one minute left, you know the other person is the friendly headmaster, and neither of you have taken action sooner - yes, that might be a good idea.

Very rarely should you vote for yourself though

And remember that in situations like "Say you've deduced, to your satisfaction, that both the people proposed for lynching are townies, but that the majority of the players left have been persuaded otherwise, by the skilful press of the mafiosi", it's not like there's a 100% chance that both of the options are town. You could be wrong. Mafia players often are.

Is the rotation of DAY / NIGHT phases actually based on the real 24-hour cycle?

Yes, you must look at the sun and moon to judge when it is appropriate to play mafia day/night cycles.


NO of course not. We have already advised you to read the Game Thread pre-ample and some of your questions are explained there. Read it again :)

Ok, look, I've never done this before and I'm still finding it slightly confusing.

I apologise if I'm being tiresome.

Also according to various world time websites, EDT is not currently in use.

I was only joking :)

Lots of good thoughts and questions -- I knew you'd enjoy this game and I'm really glad you joined up when we asked you to :)

I'd suggest reading/checking through the pre-amble in the game thread first when you have one of the more generic gameplay questions -- because it really does cover everything about 'general' mafia gameplay. Anything specific about the particular characters/power roles that DL and captainmeme are using certainly will need to be raised here though :)