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Anne R (556 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
Defeated in a game which was won by a later banned player...
... is there any chance to get my bet/points back or what happens with the points the multi player gets? I have to admit that only one player of the game got banned so he might have not cheated in this game. But I'd like to know in general what happens with the finished games in which cheaters were involved...
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Dejan0707 (1608 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
Sportsmanship in the game of diplomacy
What virtues or actions could be considered to be in the spirit of sportsmanship, and what against it. Do you have someone who could be nominated to be in one category or other. Braking the rules of the site is not to be considered part of anti-sportsmanship, so only legal actions can be named.
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dr rush (0 DX)
21 Oct 11 UTC
Big game...
No noobs please.... lets see what u got!
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Putin33 (111 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
Republican "Jobs Plan" = Don't Hire while Obama's in Office
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/216451/250/Tea-Party-group-Stop-creating-jobs

Yes, the old stand by of economic sabotage.
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President Eden (2750 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Computer skullfuckery pt. 2
So I'm in four games right now and they're all pretty fucked over because I CDed/near-CDed due to virus issues. I'm looking for a replacement in 3 of them. Details inside.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Oct 11 UTC
TONG!
For all you old-school gamers out there, here's a new challenge for you:
http://www.nongnu.org/tong/
Enjoy! : )
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
21 Oct 11 UTC
Why I love Fark
The news: all US troops to be out of Iraq by year's end.
The trollish newsflash I got: Obama eliminates thousands of American jobs and hands them to foreign nation
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Oct 11 UTC
I don't normally share diplomacy tips
because, you know, I'm super competitive, but...
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taos (281 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
about disbanding a unit
if i disband a unit instead of retreat but i have 6 sc 5 units and its build phase after i disdand
do iget to build two units?
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guak (3381 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Game drawn
Is it possible to draw a game with a clear stalemate line in which one nation has refused to draw even though the same exact moves have been made by everyone for many turns? And there is clearly no way to break the lines besides an NMR or an attack between the allied powers which has not happened in years and will not happen since it is a WTA.
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The Situation (100 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
中国人
这里有没有中国人?如果有,是什么州来的?
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Geofram (130 D(B))
03 Oct 11 UTC
NHL Fantasy League
Anyone interested in getting one going?
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Check_mate (100 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Is it worth it?
....moaning about a game destroyed by CDs, or shall I just remember who did the dirty and quietly slink off into the night?
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raid1280 (190 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
New Game, Classic Map, 3 Day Orders Phase, 100 pt buy-in
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=70199
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Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Oct 11 UTC
The last leagues are wrapped...
...and it's time to figure out where to go and what to change. OK, so let's get it rolling. What do we want the latest iteration of the leagues to look like?
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Evmister (0 DX)
21 Oct 11 UTC
Diplomacy Currency
What Happens When you run out if currency?
I would like to know so i don't go betting it all
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SuperSteve (894 D)
21 Oct 11 UTC
Live play and multis
Are live gunboats always corrupt and live press games almost always corrupt?

Just wondering... Sometimes I have a couple of hours and want to play. Am I always a sucker?
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Cockney (0 DX)
20 Oct 11 UTC
How many players are in London (uk) area?
just wondering.....
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Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Oct 11 UTC
XKCD had me rolling on the floor today!
http://xkcd.com/966/
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
12 Oct 11 UTC
Teen Diplomacy Tournament!
It's time for the younger players on diplomacy to have their own tournament! Great place to play with Diplomacy players your own age. No offense to the older members of course! If enough people post with intrest I'll set up a tournament.
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Cockney (0 DX)
20 Oct 11 UTC
big game- 3 spots, 45 mins to go
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
16 Oct 11 UTC
NFL Pick 'Em Week 6
Sorry it's a bit late this week, had a Model UN conference...

So, Week 6's games--Pick 'Em! (And we'll list the updated Wb Dip Pick 'Em Pundit Standings...)
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Agent K (0 DX)
17 Oct 11 UTC
For the Webdip 1%
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
19 Oct 11 UTC
Dear mods
I want a pony. And I want it now. I've put a lot of effort into my (free) games, therefore you work for me. Therefore, get me a pony, stat.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
Killing Terrorists=Bad Letting Europeans and Jews Die=Good, --jpgredox...WTF!?!
You call the English Imperialist Pigs and ENCOURAGE the IRA to blow up English troops...you knock FDR and The Greatest Generation...

But killing terrorists who were caught planning to bomb the US and fighting Hitler in WWII is just horrible??? ...AND AWARD FOR MOST ASS-BACKWARD MORAL COMPASS GOES TO...
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unnecessary hold him to the fire for his factually incorrect statements, challenging his moral relativism is going to get you nowhere
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
No, I'm sorry, SC...

This isn't moral relativism...

This is a guy putting the lives of terrorists before Americans and Englishmen AND arguing that the US asked for Pearl Harbor aND that we just shouldn't have stopped the Holocaust, or WWII, or Hitler...

That's beyond moral relativism...

That's bending your moral compass so far backwards up your ass even King Atom or Fasces might be appalled...

This is TWO threads now and FOUR instances!
EACH TIME he supports the enemy of America/England and decries our fighting said enemy and/or ending genocide!

I'm really almost fascinated that someone can claim to ahve such a moral high ground as this joker and yet advocate such blatant and disgusting sentiments!

jpgredsox, you're officially at King Atom/Fasces status...really, I'd like to know:

WHY do you have such a cracked moral compass, and HOW can you look down on all of us who disagree and are fine with terrorists being killed and WWII being fought when, by your own admissions:

-You're fine with such terrorists living and plotting, so long as they're "US Citizens"...
-You'd like to see MORE English troops blown up by IRA rebels
-You blame FDR for Pearl Harbor and NOT the Empire of Japan
-You're FINE with Hitler declaring war on the US, but say we still shouldn't have fought WWII
-You're FINE with the Holocaust going on and the US not coming in to stop it...

Because, hey, we can't be the world police!

jp...

There's a middle ground between "world police" and "disgustingly-ignorant pricks who are fine standing by and allowing genocide to happen when they could've stopped it."
patizcool (100 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
Not that I want to be associated with a moral compass that defends Hitler nor terrorists, but I do not consider the IRA any more terror inducing than the British Army and Unionist police force during the Troubles. Were the actions of the IRA commendable? Of course not? Were they justified in taking action, though? I think so.

The Troubles could have been much less bloody had the massacre of Bloody Sunday not occurred during a peaceful protest. For those of you unaware, Bloody Sunday occurred in 1972 when the British army's parachute regiment opened fire, injuring 26 unarmed civilians, killing 13 (a 14th civilian died later; his death was attributed to the injuries he received on Bloody Sunday).

The civilians that were shot were participating in a civil rights march because Catholics in the North were treated like (and often times worse) than African-Americans in the USA had been treated during the 50's and 60's. Though the police reaction to protests across the country by African-Americans in the United States was detestable, the prospect of peaceful change was seen as possible. In Northern Ireland, Bloody Sunday ended that prospect. The British Army, the last remnants of authority that had any credibility in the eyes of Catholics (the Protestant authorities and police force had already shown their true colors by this period), lost all respect.

Again, I do not agree with JPGredox (I haven't even read any of his statements), but to group the IRA with Hitler and Al Qaida is ridiculous. Their methods and actions were undesirable, but considering their position, not nearly as difficult to defend as actions by Hamas, Al Qaida, Hezbollah, etc.
jpgredsox (104 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
I consider fighting hitler yet helping stalin to be a bad policy representing a flawed moral compass. I consider the english troops remaining in northern.ireland as military occupiers to be treated as such. I feel uncomfortable when american citizens are assassinated without due process. Hitler declared war on the us, could he have actually attacked us unless we sent troops to europe? Probably not. And many books have been written about roosevelt having advanced knowledge of pearl harbor and/or diplomatically bringing peqrl harbor about. These are my positions. Thanks for the chharacter assassination though!
Tolstoy (1962 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
Hamas and Hezbollah were both resistance groups that either evolved or were created for the express purpose of removing a foreign occupying power. I do not understand how or why they differ from the IRA all that much. Can you explain why you differentiate them?
you don't need character assassination when you continually commit character suicide.

English Troops in Northern Ireland= A travesty

Over 10 million dead Chinese in the Sino-Japanese War= Not enough to warrant an oil embargo...
You mean the express purpose of removing an occupier and then occupying a foreign nation.
jpgredsox (104 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
Not worth an oil embargo which directly leads to an attack on pearl harbor, and a subsequent war which sees atom bombs dropped and cities fire-bombed, which ends with a peace which results in a two-power hegenomy and half of europe under soviet control, which leads to the cold war and a nuclear arms race, all of which involve proxy wars, genocides, coups, and civil wars.
Got it

Occupied Mics > Dead Chinks

You are such a freedom fighter jpg
Probably should have been

Occupied Mics> Dead Chinks+Dead Kikes+ Gyps + Dead Homos
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
@paitzcool:

"I do not consider the IRA any more terror inducing than the British Army and Unionist police force during the Troubles. Were the actions of the IRA commendable? Of course not? Were they justified in taking action, though? I think so."

Fair enough...

I'll agree to disagree that it was justified, but fair enough, there's at least room for discussion there...

But I'm referring to the fact that jpgredsox was acrually rooting for MORE English deaths rather than a diplomatic solution at this point, going so far as to praise recent surges in Catholic birthrates in Ireland--have no idea if that's actually true--and say that NOW the IRA will be able to blow the English up all the more...rather than negotiate now thatthe door is open.

That's just unacceptable.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
+1 Santa
jpgredsox (104 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
I'm loving the ad hominem attacks by santa
You don't seem to respond to the corrections to your absurd claims so I might as well call you a stupid cunt which is equally true.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
"you don't need character assassination when you continually commit character suicide.

English Troops in Northern Ireland= A travesty

Over 10 million dead Chinese in the Sino-Japanese War= Not enough to warrant an oil embargo..."

...When did I say I supported that, Santa?

How is that character suicide, when did I say I supported that?

(And if it's previous posts you're referring to...I'll grant I have my share of out-there posts...but nothing so blatant as jpgredsox duet of rooting for mnore English troops to die in terrorist bombings rather than have Ireland and England negotiate AND cry over one terrorist killed while claiming the freedom and lives of tens of millions in Europe and virtually its entire Jewish population wasn't worth a war to save...)
Im obviously not referring to you
patizcool (100 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
"Hamas and Hezbollah were both resistance groups that either evolved or were created for the express purpose of removing a foreign occupying power. I do not understand how or why they differ from the IRA all that much. Can you explain why you differentiate them?"

First let me also differentiate between different IRA groups. I do not consider the 'Real IRA' nor the 'Continuity IRA' (though I believe they did recently lay down their arms) as representatives of the Irish Republican Army. I consider the 'Provisional IRA' the only true representatives of the Irish Republican Army. It is possible to argue in favor or the INLA and the Official IRA, but to defend them as well would be to time consuming and draw away from the general defense I am trying to provide.

Now, the differences between Hezbollah, Hamas, and the IRA in what would be their 'mission statements' is non-existent. However, the actions of kicking the Palestinians out of an area in which they live, while reprehensible, was extremely different than the situation in Northern Ireland. There are 800 years of history separating them, but I'll leave that out as it deals only with emotion, rather than the true problem.

First, and correct me if I am wrong (I am not a scholar of Israeli nor Palestinian history), I believe Palestinians were offered full Israeli citizenship. In Northern Ireland, Catholics were not able to own land (a hold over from the Penal Laws which were 'ended' in the mid 1800's. The actual practice in Ulster, though, was similar to the Jim Crow laws in the South of the United States. Though this is a problem to begin with, in Northern Ireland, you needed to be a landholder to vote. Therefore, the representation of the Catholic population in Ulster did not exist. Similarly, the police force in the North was made of up protestants.

This intense discrimination was first met with civil rights marches. These marches, though, were continuously attacked by Protestant groups and the Police force. Finally, these acts led to the Battle of the Bogside in Derry. This was BEFORE THE IRA had taken any actions. The British Army was deployed because the Protestant government realized it would likely be unable to hold onto power by themselves. This led to the resumption of activities by the IRA which eventually split (more technicalities, from here on I will refer only to the provos except where necessary).

Now, the reason I gave all this background history is to show the differences immediately proceeding the resumption of activities by the IRA compared to the actions by Hamas and Hezbollah. The difference being that Catholics in the North were denied of rights whereas Palestinians in Israel were removed from their houses (though often of their own volition I believe, and they came back to find that their houses had been repossessed by the Israeli government? correct?), and given the option to find new housing and become members of Israel. This was also after beginning a war in which they lost Palestinian land that had been given to them (in 1949?).

The second major difference is the actions that I am familiar with between the IRA and Hamas/Hezbollah. Now, I have studied IRA history and not Palestinian, so I only know of recent attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah. However, these attacks have indiscriminately targeted areas in Israel. Civilians have been targeted as much as (or more than) the military of Israel because these targets are simply easier. The IRA, though their targets and actions were brutally carried out, did target British military, Ulster paramilitary, and RUC policemen. Civilians were never a target (unless former military members), and often times warnings were called in by the IRA themselves.

This difference I believe is the main reason that the IRA must be separated from the other paramilitary groups. They carried out what can be described as 24/7 guerrilla warfare. However, they targeted only their enemies. They did not kill for shock value, but instead to inflict casualties on their enemies actual resources. Can you blame the IRA for being too brutal and taking the wrong approach? Of course. But, you must answer for Bloody Sunday and the absolute abysmal treatment of Catholics in the North if you do so. Malcolm X once professed that African-Americans must choose either the bullet or the ballot. If Malcolm X had been Irish, he would have only professed that the Catholics must choose either the bullet or the continuity of prejudice.
patizcool (100 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
^previous post was in response to Tolstoy

"I'll agree to disagree that it was justified, but fair enough, there's at least room for discussion there...

But I'm referring to the fact that jpgredsox was acrually rooting for MORE English deaths rather than a diplomatic solution at this point, going so far as to praise recent surges in Catholic birthrates in Ireland--have no idea if that's actually true--"

It is of course fair to argue whether or not it is justified. It is true that Catholic birthrates are increasing, and it is likely that by 2020 (is I believe the estimate) Catholics will be the majority in the North. I do root for this as well because I long to see an Ireland united (more for my father to see it before he dies than for myself), but I praise the diplomatic accords of 1998. The loss of any life in Ireland at this point in senseless violence and I feel every action taken by the Real IRA is a disgrace to their cause as well as any argument that can be made in defense of the actions of the Provos and other groups that may have some justification for their actions.
patizcool (100 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
and for the night I am done :)
Fuck the IRA! those fucking bastards weren't a bunch of saints, heroically standing up to defend the poor catholics from an oppressive invading army. Northern Ireland was, is and will be British soil. The people of northern ireland are British. The army was sent to NI in op Banner to protect the citizens from the violence. The IRA took that opportunity to re-ignite their terror campaign from earlier.
The IRA killed innocent civilians not only in Ulster, but also in England, in Scotland and on the continent. They even killed a couple of Australian tourists in Holland. In which world is this commendable?
Oh, i know, in goddamned Ireland. Fuck the Irish, and fuck the IRA!
World War I, caused by Serbia. England blames Germany due to their wish for Naval supremacy. England makes up ad campaigns of Germans cutting of Belgian's hands, bayonetting French children, and sending letters with no bases on fact to Mexico. You want to talk about a bunch of fucking bastards Martui? England is a lying country who demonizes others to spark a sense of fanaticism among its fog breathing population. England is the most ass backwards nation. Fighting terror globally while causing it at the same time. You want the IRA to stop killing, give them their country back. Or what, does the Englishman want me to talk to France about giving you Caen back? Cause you guys took that by force too.
*Marti
it isn't their country pal! The Union is a democracy and the people of Northern Ireland wish to be British, bless them. And what the fuck has WW1 to do with it? Are you seriously telling me you think Britain caused the war? And Caen? Caen? Stop smoking crack!
Putin33 (111 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
What are you talking about, what attacks occurred in Scotland? You conveniently leave out the attacks by the RUC, Loyalist paramilitaries, and British security forces including the Dublin and Monagan bombings which were planted in rush hour traffic for maximum civilian deaths (which killed two infants). You also left out internment and the reams of murders committed by Robin Jackson. How you can say Banner was implemented to protect citizens from violence when only Republicans were targeted, while Loyalists were left to do as they please, is beyond me.


Putin33 (111 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
"World War I, caused by Serbia."

That's some straight up nonsense. Serbia accepted every single point of the Austrian ultimatum except one. Austria wanted war. They designed an ultimatum they knew would be rejected, and admitted as much. They planned for a large-scale war.
Putin33, they denied that the assassin was to be tried in an Austrian court. Do you know how that sounds? Now a days, if we wanted a terrorist to be tried in an American court, nobody would complain.
Marti the Bruce, I am saying that the English are a bunch of lying bastards who take whatever the fuck they want by force; and if they are too weak to take it, they lie to make allies to help them fight.
oh i am not defending the loyalist paramilitaries, nor the RUC. and pat was right in his history of the early years of the Troubles. But attacking the British army for being deployed to the North is just bollocks. The IRA's stated aim was to make Ulster ungovernable, the army's aim was to stop the violence. Calling the army an invading or occupying force is also just bullshit, Ulster is part of the UK. When stateside governors call out your National Guard, it isn't called an occupation / invasion, right?
you, Herr Kaiser, are obviously a well-educated and hyper intelligent being and i simply cannot argue with you. Thinking down to your level gives me a headache.
Dejan0707 (1608 D)
18 Oct 11 UTC
WWI is caused by Serbia, WWII is caused by Poland...yeah right....

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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Error
Error triggered: Division by zero.
This was probably caused by a software bug. The details of this error have been successfully logged and will be attended to by a developer.
Got this when I tried to go from page 6 to page 7 of the open games.
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rkane (463 D)
19 Oct 11 UTC
Diplomacy based on Game of Thrones
As I was sleeping last night I was dreaming about making a Diplomacy map based on the "Game of Thrones" / Song of Fire and Ice series.
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ibadibam (377 D)
10 Oct 11 UTC
Need replacements for banned players
A gunboat WorldDip game, Metal Swarm, needs two substitutes for players who were banned. Argentina and Western Canada are vacant. No turns have been missed and the positions are decent. Low buy-in.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69351
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President Eden (2750 D)
20 Oct 11 UTC
Fuck viruses.
I'm sending this from a school computer in the lab. Just wanted to apologize to everyone for the crapload of games I CDed out of. I'm not going to be able to pick those up for some time because my laptop is f-f-f-f-fucked and I can't get down here consistently enough to play a good game.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
19 Oct 11 UTC
Can the Frequency Factor in the Arrhenius model
...for chemical kinetics be modeled for liquids? I know how the scientific community is all into calculating the activation energy but how about A?
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