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umbletheheep (1645 D)
28 Jul 11 UTC
Iowa F2F Diplomacy
I have a group of 11, and we are putting together F2F Diplomacy games in central Iowa. If you would like to be a part or know of someone who does give me an email at russ (at) russdennis.net
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LoneSeramoni (100 D)
28 Jul 11 UTC
Script Error
Webdiplomacy script installed on my site.How can handle this problem? ERROR: i.imgur.com/cWuVQ.png

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Babak (26982 D(B))
28 Jul 11 UTC
FtF Diplomacy in New England: HuskyCon (Aug 19-21) in Long Island, NY
Details: http://huskycon.com
First round - Fri Aug 19th at 7:00pm
Big mansion, food provided, some will be camping outside - lots of FtF players, most likely including myself and theWizard. anyone else from webdip wanna go?
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
23 Jul 11 UTC
Can anyone defend freedom?
Can anyone defend the idea that "people" can produce a better society by diminishing governmental control in exchange for increased libertarian imposition of civil freedoms on the government?
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Putin33 (111 D)
28 Jul 11 UTC
Are no-hitters not a big deal anymore?
When guys like Ervin Santana can get one and we've had something like 10 in the past 2 seasons are no hitters going to become passe?

Also, what the heck is La Russa's major malfunction?
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
28 Jul 11 UTC
End of the LAST PERSON TO POST WINS!!!!!!!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=444658&page-thread=385#threadPager

The thread is now locked so its now impossible to post. In the end there were 11532 posts over 728 days. dD_ShockTrooper was the last person to post and so he won. Congrats dD_ShockTrooper!!!!!!!
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Eleven (501 D)
20 Jul 11 UTC
Account sitting.
I'll be out of town for four or five days, and I'm not sure what to do. I'm pretty new to this site so I'm not sure how it works, but I've seen people mention 'account sitting'? How does that work? What are the rules? How do I find someone to do that for me? I guess I'm just looking for a general explanation. Thanks in advance. Oh, and sorry if this is explained elsewhere on the site. Perhaps I missed it when I looked.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
28 Jul 11 UTC
How Much Is Everyone Muting?
I ask becuase I see folks saying they're muting folks in threads more and more...and it just seems like a shame and almost unfair to me, really...granted I'm probably one of the most-muted on the site--at least I would guess I am--but even so, all the more reason I just can't mute anyone..."if you can't stand the heat"...? You can't have it both ways, give a critical opinion and erect a shield to deflect all criticism, even if that "criticism" is a foolish troll, yes?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
15 Jul 11 UTC
An Education in Economics
Liberals have the mistaken and baseless idea that government creates jobs, that government creates demand that stimulates the economy, and that any time there is a great reduction in government spending a recession will result.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
29 Jul 11 UTC
new game
Hey all, I'm starting a game with some work friends, might not be able to get 7 though... anybody want to be an alternate? They're all new, so less skilled players preferred.

20 buy in, anon, 24 hours period, starts Saturday at 7:12
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UnknownHero (436 D)
29 Jul 11 UTC
Looking for sitter
I'll be away for 5-6 days next week and still have a couple games running. It shouldn't be too huge of a time commitment if anyone is willing, since one is a 4 day phase world game in which I have only a single unit. The other is a game in the summer gunboat tournament, so someone not part of that would be preferred.
I hope I'm not asking too much with only a few days notice, but if someone with a good reputation would PM me saying they can, I would be extremely grateful.
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Darwyn (1601 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Pizza v. Tacos
Let's say there is a pizza joint and a taco stand right across the street from each other...
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krellin (80 DX)
28 Jul 11 UTC
Collaborative Story...
You *must* reply with an entire paragraph. Each paragraph will be proceeded by a number. You reply must be indicated by (that number +1) so we know what you are responding to. In the event of simultaneous posts, the FIRST poster is the ONLY valid next paragraph.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
28 Jul 11 UTC
Obama Repeated Buffet's Misstatement
Tomorrow's WSJ shows that Warren Buffet misstated a fact Obama included in his national address Monday, Buffet doesn't pay a lower tax rate than his secretary. It's nice to see the press doing its job.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
18 Jul 11 UTC
Social Security Funding
It's interesting that the motto of social security is that you've paid in all your working life and the money is sitting there waiting for you.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
21 Jul 11 UTC
Immorality of the State vs Morality of the Market
Big government advocates proceed under the assumption that government is moral and the marketplace is immoral when the exact opposite is true.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Thy mythical victim
Why is it that opinions put forth to justify government monopolies to deal with social problems consistently rely on mythical victims instead of truth or logic?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
It turns out that President Obama was not forthright describing the health of his own mother in campaign speeches.
Could you imagine what would have happened or what will happen to an prominent Republican, _____________________, who made false claims in public speeches.
I know you can.
The New York Times was forced to report, on the 14th page (reserved for a statist sitting presidents) instead of the front page (reserved for all non-statists and Republicans) that President Obama misrepresented his mother's experience as a cancer patient.

Obama said his mother had her cancer treated as a pre-existing condition by her insurance company and had to battle the evil insurers for her moral rights.

The New York Times had to report that author Janny Scott found that the truth was entirely different. Obama's mother received payment from her insurer, Cignet, without argument.
Obama's entire characterization of his own mother to the United State's public as a candidate for President was a bald-faced lie.
Obama represented his mother in the dispute.
Now we can hear all the "all politicians are liars" and "well blank did this and blank did that" from the excuse mongers till cows fly, but what is the truth.
Barack Obama lied for political gain.

For my mother to die of cancer at the age of 53 and have to spend the last months of her life in the hospital room arguing with insurance companies because they’re saying that this may be a pre-existing condition and they don’t have to pay her treatment, there’s something fundamentally wrong about that."

Nothing like a mythical victim. Obama had no problem making a mythical victim out of his own mother.
Stevelers (3084 D(G))
19 Jul 11 UTC
I know a non-mythical cancer patient, and since we live in Canada, his treatment started as soon as he got to the hospital. He went in with a sore throat, and a couple hours later, it was determined that it was lung cancer, with more tests planned the following day. I am damn happy we don't live with a completely capitalistic health care system. When people get sick here, we treat them. That's it. Insurance can't really say no here.
Furball (237 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Your question is weird. I don't get it.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Not surprising in the least.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Stevelers

The US survival rate for cancer is higher than the Canadian survival rate.
61% in the US and 58% in Canada.
Damn statistics sure get in the way of fantasies don't they.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Nice recent story for Stevelers on the state of cancer patients in Canada.
I know he would like to extrapolate on incident and ignore the big picture, but alas that's why I'm posting. To put an end to such a discredited attempt.

Despite Canada's universal healthcare system, poorer Canadians with cancer are more likely to die early than their wealthier peers, suggests a new study of almost 100,000 patients from Ontario. But unlike studies conducted in the United States, most of the difference in survival rates could not be explained by how early doctors caught the cancer.

Being poor in Canada will get you killed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/08/02/us-canada-cancer-survival-idUSTRE67146N20100802

Comprehensive studies kind of destroy a one of extrapolation or a mystical victim.
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
I love how you blindly copied and pasted the line from the article that's particularly damning for United States health care:

"But unlike studies conducted in the United States, most of the difference in survival rates could not be explained by how early doctors caught the cancer."

That means that access to health care has a higher minimum bar in Canada vs. the free for all in the United States.

Hey, the article gives some interesting number for 5 year survival rate for cervical cancer in Canada:

"For all cancers, wealthier patients had a better chance of being alive in five years than poorer patients. The biggest difference was in women with cervical cancer: 63 percent of the poorest group of patients survived for at least five years, compared to about 79 percent of the wealthiest group."

Hmm, what is it in the US?

"The overall 5-year relative survival for 2001-2007 from 17 SEER geographic areas was 68.6%. Five-year relative survival by race was: 70.0% for white women; 58.4% for black women."

http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/cervix.html#survival

Poorest person in Canada? Well, you will still outlive a black American woman! What a disgrace.
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
And if anyone's interested in absolute scale, there are about 40 million African-Americans while there are about 36 million Canadians, total.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Blindly pasted, I gave a link that you followed.
Why the lie and misrepresentation Cdre?
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
I guess Cdre doesn't like the fact that the cancer survival rate in the Canadian Monopoly is lower than in the US.
It's easy to understand if someone is more interested in maintaining the state monopoly than saving people's lives.
Seems like Canadian leaders see a problem with that as well.
David Swan blasted the lung cancer survival rates in his own province, and the departure of skilled surgeons.
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
You can tell when a glibertarian troll is completely dumbfounded by hard evidence to the contrary of their opinion when they blurt out a completely incoherent 2-liner.

The better doublethinkers would have had a Cato Institute study on hand.
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Aww, he recovered long enough to insist the Reuters article was a straight up comparison between the Canadian and US health care systems.

Except I actually did that in my post, and the US came out unfavorably.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
I'm especially impressed by the myriad of new drugs developed by Canadian pharmaceutical companies.
A recent study by York University found that the United States offers more choice than Canadian in regards to therapeutic drugs, and by the studies own admission one quarter to one third of the drugs offered in the US and unavailable in Canada have moderate to significant therapeutic benefits.
When you have a government monopoly you get access cut off.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Cdre, Sorry to keep piling evidence on you that drives you to middle school name calling.
I guess an individual ultimately finds there intellectual level.
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
I recently studied a dictionary and learned that "choice" is not a synonym for "access".
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
LOL no one in my middle school was using politically-aware retorts like "glibertarian troll" or "doublethinkers". Where did you go, a Montessori school?
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Cdre, I see you can't come up with anything new on the mythical victim and health care front. Not surprising.

Here is a study that shows that in 2010, the national median wait time between referral by a general practitioner and consultation with a specialist was 8.9 weeks, and that about five percent of the over 800,000 Canadians waiting to see specialist or have surgery last year that 5% came over to the United States for treatement.
That's over 40,000 Canadians that crossed to receive non-emergency treatment in the US last year alone.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
tl;dr version of every Tettleton's Chew post:

"Here is something I skimmed that probably confirms what I said. Trust me, it's an unbiased source.

http://www.google.com/"
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Mafialligator introduced me to the OECD library of research. I found this information from a 2007 OECD study.
Americans pay only 13% out of pocket for their share of total health care expenditures.
Canadians pay 15% out of pocket for their share of total health care expenditures.
So the argument that Canadians get their health care for free and that Americans pay more just doesn't hold up.
OECD Health Date 2007
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
I guess Cdre can't dispute the Fraser Institute or the OECD.
It's tough being defenseless Cdre.
I guess your google search came up empty.
Don't you pay for J-Stor, or EBSCO?
Mafialligator (239 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Oh good, the Fraser Institute. The single most right-wing organization in Canada this side of the Hitler Wasn't Such a Bad Guy Foundation.

There are problems with the Canadian system, no one is denying that. But there are problems with the American system too. Being poor will get you killed anywhere, the US is no exception and has some of the worst problems with cost related barriers to health care in the developed words. In the US the high averages for health outcomes for certain diseases (like your favourite example, cancer, the US does quite poorly at treating heart disease for example) are a result of astronomically good outcomes for very wealthy people, and extremely poor outcomes for poorer people, blacks and other disadvantaged groups. In other words, the American system works wonders for people who can afford it.
Mafialligator (239 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
@ Tettleton's Chew, can you link the relevant OECD data please?
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
I think a better name for your thread would be "thy mythical study" since you've yet to link me to any.
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Also, who pays for a subscription to JSTOR and EBSCO just so they can allude to things they may have read somewhere in a forum adjunct to a board game website?
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Here is a nice excerpt from the New England Journal of Medicine.
On June 9, 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in a case dating from 1997, in which a patient, along with his physician, sued Quebec after a year-long wait for hip-replacement surgery. In a decision highlighting the persistent problem of waiting lists in Canada the Court voted four to three to invalidate the long-standing prohibition on private insurance for services that are available under Quebec's public health care plan. Subsequently, the court postponed the effective date until June 2006.
The Court's majority found that “waiting lists for health care services have resulted in deaths, have increased the length of time that patients have to be in pain and have impaired patients' ability to enjoy any real quality of life.” Although the decision was specific to Quebec, it implies that provincial governments cannot ban private care unless they guarantee that the public system will meet patients' needs without excessive waits.

It makes it rough on supporters of the government monopoly when the nation's Supreme Court says the system doesn't work.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
I did Mafia, It's in the OECD Health Date 2007.
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Here's the link!

http://www.oecd.org/
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
19 Jul 11 UTC
Cdre, to get Jstor just join the American Historical Association and pay a nominal fee for private access. You support a fine organization at the same time you gain access to a world of peer-reviewed knowledge.
It's obvious you are pretty unfamiliar with the topics on this board when you allude that the forum topics are about diplomacy only.
You need to backtrack a bit.
Still nothing from you on Canadian health care?
Not surprising.
Mafialligator (239 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
"Here's the link!

http://www.oecd.org/" - Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Besides Tettleton, I'm not accepting the OECD data, they don't list sources or authors! If you cited OECD data in a professional context you'd be laughed out of the room, it's all completely invalid.
CdreChris (100 D)
19 Jul 11 UTC
From AHA's statement of professional conduct:

"Honoring the historical record also means leaving a clear trail for subsequent historians to follow."

You should resign your membership immediately.

http://www.historians.org/

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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Who would pass a tax increase?
The House certainly wouldn't
The Senate would pass a tax increase.
You are going to find 51 Democrats who will vote for a tax increase?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
25 Jul 11 UTC
Hysteria & Welfare State Bankruptcy
In the current budget debate you see two viewpoints-the House of Representatives realizes the Welfare State is bankrupt with $200 Trillion in deficits and unfunded liabilities. The Obama administration and the Senate think everything will be fine if they raise taxes and keep pumping devalued dollars into the economy.

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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
25 Jul 11 UTC
Monks 1 Autocratic State 0
The verdict from federal court. Monks can sell caskets in Louisiana without also providing embalming and other funeral home services that the autocratic state government required in order to grant a monopoly over casket sales.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
States defy Big Government lunacy
In individual states smaller government candidates won a majority of elections across the country in direct defiance of Big Government lunacy dominant in Washington D.C.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
26 Jul 11 UTC
Common sense saves schools
Schools are for the kids not for the administrators and teachers.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
28 Jul 11 UTC
Signed copy of Reckless Endangerment
How many of the forum frequenters have a signed copy of the best seller "Reckless Endangerment." What a great read.
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Babak (26982 D(B))
26 Jul 11 UTC
League Format for next Season
Alderian, have you decided how you will proceed towards next season?

The detailed thread about this subject has been locked, but here it is for others who want to read the debate: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=742701#742701
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1brucben (60 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
gunboats are stupid and ruin diplomacy
the point of diplomacy is exactly what it says. DIPLOMACY. When we get rid of ingame messaging it does away with the crucial factor of diplomacy and results in no improvement of luck. It actually makes the game far more random and chancy than it should be. I believe that we need to get rid of this option to allow DIPLOMACY to take its course. Please add your comments about this.
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
28 Jul 11 UTC
Can anyone defend, I mean remember, centrists?
Why is politics so polarized today--what happened to the centrists? Is it a function of the political parties controlling the vast majority of campaign contributions?
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TBroadley (178 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Can anyone defend 1bruchen's views?
Besides 1bruchen, of course.
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denis (864 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Nationalism and Patriotism
The bane of civilization?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
28 Jul 11 UTC
Can anyone defend posts asking in the title for posters to defend something?
If you can--well, I suppose you're needed on one of the many other generic "defend" posts...
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Ruisdael (1529 D)
27 Jul 11 UTC
Minor bug
I'm not sure if others in this game are experiencing the same oddity, but in
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=63232, which is a gunboat, it's telling me I have an unread global message and I can't figure out how to "read" it or otherwise fix the problem. Thanks.
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