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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
03 Feb 10 UTC
Word association thread
Post the first single word that comes to mind when you have read the last post.
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
18 Jun 11 UTC
Skeptics, atheists, Christians, and Anyone Else - please chime in
Make sure you watch both parts first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWwzFwUOxA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5965wcH2Kx0
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12hr Mediterranean
12hrs/phase
Anon
Ancient Mediterranean
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London198 (0 DX)
28 Jun 11 UTC
50 pt Anon WTA
hosting an Anonymous WTA 50 point buy in, 1 day phases starts in a day. Game ID = 62606
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Maniac (189 D(B))
24 May 11 UTC
Diplomacy as a spectator sport
gameID=59681 follow the game here and discuss and comment as the game progresses; players will also contribute but as game is anonymous gunboat we don't know who is playing and who is shouting from the sidelines.
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raphtown (151 D)
25 Jun 11 UTC
World Wide Web (of Diplomacy)
See inside for my proposal for a Classicist branch on webdip.
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thatwasawkward (4690 D(B))
28 Jun 11 UTC
12-hour high stakes WTA gunboat?
Greetings all. I've set up a 12-hour per phase WTA classic gunboat with a password and was hoping to entice some of the more experienced Diplomacy veterans to join up for a high quality game. The entry fee is 333 D. Shoot me a PM if you want in. If you meet my moderately rigorous requirements (you've got some skill and don't make a habit of resigning games) I will send you the password. Thanks.

gameID=62629
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President Eden (2750 D)
29 Jun 11 UTC
Might need a sitter for a live game soon.
PM for details. It's not going to be a terribly difficult commission.
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President Eden (2750 D)
26 Jun 11 UTC
How do I play this game?
I want to build airplanes to bomb my opponent but they won't let me build anything but tanks and submarines. Where are the airports? And the nukes?

btw I'm 12 years old
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apem8 (1295 D)
28 Jun 11 UTC
Live game in 1 hour
Join my live game 30 bet and starts in a hour.
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joey1 (198 D)
28 Jun 11 UTC
Need a sitter for Canada/July 4th day weekend
Hello, I'm going to be at the family cottage with no internet from Afternoon of June 30th to Evening of July 4th. I'm in 5, 2 or 3 day/phase games (none are anon) that I would need a sitter to enter 1-2 sets of orders for if I don't get pauses. anyone willing to help with that? Please PM me.
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
26 Jun 11 UTC
Trolling question
See inside...
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President Eden (2750 D)
26 Jun 11 UTC
FEMA trailer camps -- really concentration camps???
Are they? See inside.
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Sicarius (673 D)
21 Jun 11 UTC
9/11 and the Orwellian Redefinition of "Conspiracy Theory"
we had a discussion awhile ago here about this. I invite everyones opinions, but not ad hominem crap.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
28 Jun 11 UTC
Quick Variant Question
How come there are several disabled variant versions listed under the help section? Are these versions just unfinished?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
26 Jun 11 UTC
Where to invest and in what?
Where is a good place to invest hard earned savings in today's volatile financial world?
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Riphen (198 D)
26 Jun 11 UTC
How do you know if a Mod has read you email?
Will they respond?
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25 Jun 11 UTC
☻☺☺☻
The most disgusting game I've ever played.

gameID=62416
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Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
How to rescue childhood friend from cult?
need some advice, tips, ideas, suggestions.
bonus for those who have dealt w/ christian cults before.

details inside
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Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
yeah so me and my friend grew up together in a small town (6th grqade till 11th) then he went to college in columbus and I dropped out and became a hobo. He has always been a christian, and his faith got more serious after his mother died (he was about.... idk 9th or 10th grade so he moved w/ his aunt in columbus)
We dont see each other much because of distance, or really ever talk on the phone or email, but you know how there are some people you stay close w/ regardless of how much you talk to them (in this case a few times a year). (our mutual childhood friend also goes to school down there and they see each other, hang out etc. )
Anyway he strted going to theae home churches, and moved into a 'ministry' house, which... cool, whatever.
Anyway the longer he stays in (maybe... two years now? maybe more.) the more he withdraws form everything else. He doesnt hang out with friends often (at the churchs suggestion) he added another major linguistics and now hebrew (for biblical research, at the churchs suggestion) he doesnt date or have sex (at the churches suggestion) his mom has died but he no longer talks to his father (at the churches suggestion).
now these things are fine, I guess, but I KNOW this does not make him happy. The restrictions the church puts on him torment him, I can see it when we talk about his life, and our friends who live down there tell me also.
tWhen he is not attending everynight church/study, or working on his double major, they also have him in some kind of mentor program or something. so basically his entire life is this church, for this church.

He wants to leave the church I know it (wont say it of course), but I think he feels like that would be betraying his god. idk if they put that idea there or not.

anyway this church is called Xenos. I went to some of their meetings/churches a year or two back to be polite and support my friend. first one was kinda weird, but just in a socially awkward way. after I went to a couple more it started getting weirder in other ways. I have had run ins with cults befroe as have a few friends, and that is exactly what it seemed like. all th things that were normal about them started just seeming like honey traps etc. well I'm not gonna explain how a cult works you know that.

Anything?
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
I probably left a bunch out so if you have any questions I would be happy to answer
Rancher (1652 D(S))
23 Jun 11 UTC
Which christian cult is it, the catholic church? The methodist church?
Rancher (1652 D(S))
23 Jun 11 UTC
sorry, posting my sarcasm at the same time you gave the real info ...
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
I mean, all religions are pretty much bullshit in my eyes, and could be called 'cults'
I say cult here in the more classical or literal sense, like islolation and brainwashing and... you know, a fucking cult. something most people would call a cult.
Rancher (1652 D(S))
23 Jun 11 UTC
Actually, there is one of these Xenos churches a few miles from my house in Columbus ... I've heard some stuff as you have described but I've ignored it
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
I'm not trying to bash anyones beliefs (here at least)
My problem with my friend isnt that he is religious or zealous or w/e.
its that he is a member of a group that is changing how.what he thinks in disingenuine ways, attempting to sever all hi contacts with non-church etc.
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
they are pretty much exclusivly in columbus. there are a TON of ministry houses, segregated by gender.
Im not in columbus much so I mght be wrong, but I think most/alot of theior houses are on 4th st and high street.
both streets, not intersection.

and I think theres two "4th" streets so that doesnt help.
fiedler (1293 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
bomb - biggest is best
Octavious (2701 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
A friend of mine has recently gone Catholic in a big way (Catholisism is spreading like a plague through the Chinese community in the UK... not sure how it is elsewhere... It's really quite alarming). I really don't think there is anything I can do about it though. People believe what they believe :(.
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
their website has to explicitly say that they are not a cult. signs of trouble? lol
Rancher (1652 D(S))
23 Jun 11 UTC
@Sicarius - the one I know of is indeed off of N High St, but there are a lot of their ministry houses scattered around ...they self describe as a "movement of house churches that are culturally relevant" ... sounds like from your friend's experience they only relate to their own culture
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
ya heres what two toher people had to say about it


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I was in the college Ministry.

Now, I would not classify Xenos as a cult per se, but in the college group at least, I saw quite a few cultlike elements in the social structure that the church structure fed. Let me take you on a journey. I will probably tip my identity in sharing this, but I am not too concerned with that.

I moved to Columbus Ohio in the fall of 1996. I was lonely, immature, and depressed, although at the time I would not have said it as such. It was not long till an acquaintance of mine told me about this meeting in one of the dorm study rooms where a bunch of Christians were having a discussion group. At first, I was against it, but he enticed me with the prospect of attractive young females. Being a young man of 18, I went of course.

Over the next few weeks, I became a regular attendee, debating points of the Christian faith, and giving the arguments that were presented to me more creedance than they were worth, for at the time I was not trained to spot logical fallacies. To an impressionable mind, they made extraordinary claims, claims of God’s perfect love, perfect justice and whatnot. Growing up in a blue collar catholic family, I ate this stuff up.

Meanwhile, my class attendance started slipping. I had a lot of evening classes, but was encouraged to attend first CT, and then a homechurch, both while skipping out on classes. My grades plummeted.

Now I do realize I had a choice here, I could have stuck to my studies, and surely my life would have been easier for it, but I was confused, empty, a lost soul, and one of the promises Xenos made to me about God is that with the spirit, you are no longer empty.

I accepted Christ on easter of 1997. A week later I was kicked out of school for failing to meet the conditions of my academic probation.

Now, I am grateful for what came next. Xenos took me in, provided a couch to sleep on till I got a job and an apartment, and when my sublet was up, moved me into a ministry house. By this time, I was attending a homechurch, CT, a cell group, along with myriad prayer meetings.

I was on a spiritual high at the time. I was learning all I could about God, about Christianity, and looking back was starting to be groomed for leadership. My house and homechurch leaders started referring to “when I would be a leader”.

Meanwhile, I was still as depressed and as empty as ever. When I talked about this with other xenoids, I was told to keep to the path, God would sort it out.

I also started seeing things that sat very uneasily with me. All other Christian sects were bashed to one form or another, but particularly Catholics, Jehova Witnesses, and to a lesser extant, Mormons. I won’t even go into the venom reserved for non-Christian religions.

I started missing meetings due to work, or just being too depressed to leave the house. One hear or there did not merit comment, but if you missed more than three in a month, leaders started coming to you to voice thier concerns for your spiritual walk.

Finally, a few weeks before Christmas of 1998, things came to a head. I had been neglecting some of my house chores for a few weeks (as had other members of the house, but I was singled out it seems) and was put on probabtion. No missed chores for a month or I was outs. Three days before the month was up, I had been out late with friends seeing a movie, and forgot to do some cleaning. I did it first thing in the morning, but the house leaders decided to make me leave. At first, they wanted me out immediately. I managed to get a whole week out of them.

Needless to say, a week later I was homeless. I was crushed. Everything I had built my adult life around was suddenly gone. I had no friends outside of the church, as outside friends were not forbidden, but they were not encouraged unless they were outreach. My only support network was two hours away, so I went home to my parents.

The next year and a half were hard. I was removed from any support network, and was slowly slipping into darkness. Only a handful of people kept up with me, I would thank them, but all but one have left that group.

I moved back to Columbus in mid 2000, a mental wreck. Like an abused spouse, I went back to the only thing I knew, Xenos. I puttered on for about 7 or 8 months, never regaining the acceptance I had enjoyed previously. I was a fringe member, and outsider. Being on the edge I saw the truly bad aspects of that group. The cliquishness, the social control wielded over members, the selective enforcement of morality and the unhealthy focus on “Sexual Sin”.

My end with the group came with a woman. We started dating, and she was not Christian. I tried to bring her around at first, but she was offended at the groups attitudes towards other religions. We ended up having sex. Knowing I was violating Xonos’ rules, I removed myself from the group. However, that was not enough. Even though I had left of my own accord, they still instituted their church discipline against me, and the few friends I still had in the group were forbidden from speaking to me “For my own good”.

It was the best thing that ever happened to me.

Since then, I broke away from the false promises of my faith, and found my own way. I conquered my depression, have built true, lasting friendships, and have finally gotten my life back on track, all the things Xenos tells you are not possible without God, with the undertone that to be right with God you must be right with Xenos. Looking back, I see the broken people they pulled into their group, and some have gon on to lead rich, fulfilling lives, I can honestly say as of my last check, there were not that many in the college group that were.

I have overcome any resentment I had towards that group, a process that took many years. Through it I have become a better person, and in a way, am glad they treated me the way they did. I would not be the person I am today without Xenos.

I just hope for all those that go to them listening to false promises of fulfillment and meaning in their life, that they find what they are looking for.



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I was raised in a Lutheran Christian church and have always considered myself a strong christian. I started going to Xenos my freshman year of highschool (about 6 years ago) with some good friends. At first I loved it. It was exciting, new, and like the others posted here, it was a great time to learn about God and eachother. That was all great until some other things started happening gradually.

For some reason they began introducing the idea that dating is not a good thing for growth in God. I was told not to sit next to or talk to my boyfriend at the time while at any Xenos functions.

Next, I confided in one “leader” as they call them, that my father was an alcoholic. They told me I should cut off all communication with them.

They began to introduce more and more activities throughout the week to keep us busy. Homechurch(tuesdays), thursday night prayer group, CT (Sunday nights), something else on Monday nights that I don’t quite remember. Who has time for school or family when they have Xenos? That’s the idea I guess. If I wasn’t there for some reason on a Tuesday night, for example, I was cornered and questioned by a “leader” about it. The times spent at these meetings slowly got further and further away from the central and pure messages of God’s word, and closer and closer to the ideals that Xenos created. On there website they have a disclaimer stating that they are not a cult. In my opinion, if the church website has to make a disclaimer saying they are not a cult – then something is wrong here. You tell me.

I was suddenly trapped in, sucked in, and slowly watching all of my friends disappearing into this so-called “church.”

I finally got out. One night I made the decision to get out, to not have contact with any “leaders” and to not let myself feel guilty about anything. The important thing was my relationship with God – not with Xenos.

A couple of my friends have since left,one of which chose to leave after the church did not agree in her choice of a boyfriend and some other things along with that and told her she would either have to sign a contract saying she would change her ways and read it aloud before the whole church or be kicked out. Unfortunately though, the majority are still trapped in living in Ministry Houses together. I don’t know if they’ll ever get out to tell you the truth, and that scares me.

I’m not trying to bash the church. The ideas that they present at first are great, really appealing and they are very welcoming. Sometimes though, we have to be aware of what lies beneath. Many parents, etc. worry that this church may be a cult and Xenos “leaders” are quick to dismiss these accusations with humor and sarcasm….the fact is though, that sometimes humor and sarcasm are a good way to deal with uncomfortable accusations, and may not always be an honest response.

Just be safe out there when looking for a church. I would not recommend Xenos. Every church has faults, yes, but a church should not be controlling. Keep your eyes open and your hearts focused on God.



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I dont know what to do!!! evil cult steal friend!!!!
Furball (237 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
If you love your friend, then do what you can. I doubt our advice would help you.
Do what you can for your friend, which you think is best in your own way. I think this advice helps at the least. Seeing that you posted such a thread, I believe that you hold him/her dear in your heart.

Another way to counter this cult, is by studying scripture, the bible, and by countering what the cult is teaching him/her. It's not Christian-ish if that place is brainwashing him, for sure I'll tell you that. As a christian, I fear and am worried about your friend. I'll pray for you and your friend, hope that he gets out of that dangerous stuff.

My brother attended a cult service, where they taught false scripture. It involved a whole system where you'd earn money for bringing other people to their church. Their whole teachings were based on money and twisted scripture. I was lucky to get him out of there... Your friend is in danger, you should get him out of there. Do what you can.
As a christian, I believe in hell and heaven. In a christian viewpoint, it would be so very important to get your friend out of there.

Anyhow my best advice, do what you believe is best. We all do things differently.
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
I know a decent amount of scripture. I have read the bible, as well as the quran and torah and tao te ching etc.
I dont think they teach made up scripture, just draw "wrong" or strange conclusions with it.
I mean look at the westborough baptist church, they have the same bibles as everyone else.

its compounded by the fact that we are physically seperated by about a 3 hr car drive, and neither of us have a car (let alone gas $)

So I guess I'll just have to bring down Xenos entirely. ya its only like 40 yrs old, not like I have to bring down the vatican
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
I've always wondered about Xenos and their "home churches". They're worse than I thought.
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
to be honest, their home churces arnt bad. I found myself enjoying the first few, some great points were brought up and they made me think about some stuff.
The problem is they pressure you to live with them and... well they're a cult, bad things follow
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
I'm *shocked* that someone as cynical of authority as yourself would have anything to do with scripture reading or Christianity, the ultimate truth-by-authority belief system.
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
I'm sure you would be shocked.
But just because I dont agree with someone doesnt mean I am intensely disrespectful, or that I am afraid to expose or immerse myself in their ideas.
How could I tell a christian I dont agree with him if I havnt read the bible? well I suppose it wouldnt be difficult seeing as how most christians havnt either, but you get the idea.
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
Because they make claims like a man resurrected from the dead, and men can't resurrect from the dead.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Jun 11 UTC
^ putin not to thread-bleed but the reason you dismiss that out of hand is because you're a dogmatist..

lol.
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
yes putin I am aware.
But I have this thing, where I'm actually able to talk with other people whom I disagree with, and consider their ideas based on their own merit.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Jun 11 UTC
lol sic you should ditch your "thing" it's clearly irrational and only weighing you down.

embrace the Known Truth!
rollerfiend (0 DX)
23 Jun 11 UTC
maybe you should just leave him alone, let him make his own choice instead of you trying to enforce your own beliefs on him
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
How many resurrections have taken place?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Jun 11 UTC
^ unknown.
Putin33 (111 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
"But I have this thing, where I'm actually able to talk with other people whom I disagree with, and consider their ideas based on their own merit."

Really you spend most of your time here screaming at people for not agreeing with you about your various anti-government rants.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Jun 11 UTC
lol sorry putin i'll stop trolling you.

i can't tell if xenos is a cult btw. to what extent is your friend in physical danger?
SacredDigits (102 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
I've had some experiences. My wife's aunt was in a Christian cult...that's run by her husband's sister...and has basically cut her off from the world. My mother-in-law was able to talk to her and tried to continue to engage her, but didn't challenge her much at all. In that case, things didn't change until my wife's cousin, the aunt-in-question's daughter, was physically abused by members of the cult seeking to "cure" her autism. The cult left town. The aunt refused to leave her daughter, now a ward of the state. So, hopefully, in this case, it doesn't take an astonishingly awful action to cause your friend to disengage.

On the bright side, I had an employee when I managed a retail store who, occasionally, was completely ignored by certain customers...they'd wait in a long line to avoid her register, for instance. I asked her about it, she said it was because she left a Christian cult and was being shunned. I asked her if it was a problem for her, and she said, "Not at all, for as much as I feared it would be." So, there's that.
Sicarius (673 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
"maybe you should just leave him alone, let him make his own choice instead of you trying to enforce your own beliefs on him "

I'm not trying to force my own beliefs on him. But at the same time I dont want Xenos forcing their beliefs on him either. especially when it means he fucks up his life for it. If he were happy with this life, I would say have fun in the cult, if they ever free you feel free to drop by. But I have known him since sixth grade, me and other old friends are very concerned and he is visibly miserable.

Well the definition of cult is.... murky at best. Anyway cults dont necessarily place the members in immediate physical danger.

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rollerfiend (0 DX)
18 Jun 11 UTC
Rabbis 'condemn dog to death by stoning'
poor doggie.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13819764
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LJ TYLER DURDEN (334 D)
27 Jun 11 UTC
How to rescue an online acquaintance from Bohemianism?
I wish he would stop occassionally living in foreclosed homes and "[being] a hobo." Then again, it could be worse, he could have become religious or something like that.
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Putin33 (111 D)
25 Jun 11 UTC
Proud to be from New York: Legal Equality Wins
The hordes of reaction and anti-gay bigotry just had their Waterloo. At a time when politics at the state level around the country has been absolutely horrifying, this is great news.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Jun 11 UTC
This Time On Philosophy
In "The Odyssey" by Homer, Achilles, the elite hero of the Greeks, leads a large mass of unquestioning, robot-like followers, the Myrmidons, who are classically described as being "ant-people" in their nature. If we were asked which we'd rather be, a hero or a drone, most of us would choose the former, "drone" doesn't sound appealing...and yet, politically, we prefer the rule of masses over the few...so, which is preferable? Why? Elitists, Pluralists, ho! :)
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jman777 (407 D)
30 Jun 09 UTC
LAST PERSON TO POST WINS!!!!!!!!
The title is self explanatory.
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Vaibhav Warden (100 D)
26 Jun 11 UTC
Barak Obama - American born?
Is he? look below?
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fiedler (1293 D)
27 Jun 11 UTC
Trolling for suggestions for activity in New Caledonia
Bonjour, the fiedler has some time to kill in New Caledonia, especially Noumea. Anyone been or have recommendations of things to occupy here? Locations of buried treasure? Best kava bar?
Pourriez vous m'aider s'il vous plait?
Also, I think USA would beat China, socialism is humanism, and philosophy is nice. Discuss?
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
25 Jun 11 UTC
Terminology help
I've seen this thread on SoW, and I'm interested (in that it seems to present the occasion for learning). I don't know what SoW means however. Nor what the PhP dip on facebook mean. Help? This thread could be use to disambiguate all these acronyms!
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fabiobaq (444 D)
26 Jun 11 UTC
Ancient Mediterranean new game
So, as the last AncMed game I created was cancelled by lack of players, I'm here to announce another one: gameID=62442.
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dipplayer2004 (1310 D)
26 Jun 11 UTC
Live game?
Bored on Sunday--join up!
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Geofram (130 D(B))
14 Jun 11 UTC
The WebDip GuestMap
http://www.mapservices.org/myguestmap/map/webDiplomacy

Please read some guidelines inside, they are important.
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