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steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Aug 13 UTC
The mind can change hell in heaven (?)
True or false? I'd like a few unbiased (as in not biased by me) opinions before I give mine.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
06 Aug 13 UTC
ghost ratings August
Who has them? Upload! :D
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
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German Opening Strategies: Update for Online Play

PREFACE: I am really a rather rotten player. I write this not because I enjoy any good measure of skill at the game of Diplomacy, but rather because I enjoy writing.
Reprinting rights are offered in exchange for attribution. Glory and praise to the Most High God. Please feel free to respond and critique below.
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Emac (0 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
Drinking Age
What is the drinking age in your society?
This is the most illogical part of America. An 18-year old has the competence to vote for President but not to drink a beer.
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
09 Aug 13 UTC
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A PSA
To: everyone
Hit the fucking ready button.

From: everyone
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Melko (350 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
quick question
Hi, I used to play many many years ago and now I am back to webdiplomacy. Just a quick question, how many phases do you need to miss for the game to kick you out?

Apologies if this question had been asked before but I couldnt find it in FAQs.
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hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
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Comment Policy
My thoughts to follow:
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hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
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I hate to suggest more policies, knowing that this is a site that prizes free speech. However, given the recent tone of many forum posts, and given that there could theoretically be legal liability on the site and on JMO if a litigious individual took umbrage, I wonder if it's not time for a policy on abusive language in the forums.

As an example, here's the comment policy the NYT uses in their comment sections:

"You shall not submit any libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive or otherwise illegal material. Please use respectful language that does not abuse or discriminate on the basis of race, religion, nationality, gender, sexual preference, age, region, disability, etc. Hate speech of any kind is grounds for immediate and permanent suspension of access to all parts of this service.

Please refrain from posting plot spoilers about movies and theater shows. If you do post a spoiler, you must warn readers.

Any person involved in or affiliated with the production of a work reviewed on NYTimes.com may not submit a Readers' Review for that work or competing works."

Simple, reasonable, and enforceable. Obviously, not all portions apply to this sort of a site, but it might be a starting point. Again, my suggestion come primarily out of a desire for civil, helpful, or edifying conversation in the forums and secondarily out of concern that JMO could be held legally liable if anyone were to choose to take action. Some of the posts recently come close to the legal standard for criminal threatening. All it would take is one highly sensitive person with a decent lawyer to shut the site down for good.
hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
I leave the topic to consideration and discussion (hopefully in that order).
Sbyvl36 (439 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
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I think it would be a very good idea.
SYnapse (0 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
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yeah I agree, this is a game and there's no necessity to allow it

Something like users will not post anything offensive, racist or discriminatory will do it. No need to ban foul language altogether.
hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
Fox News has a similar policy:
"You agree not to use the FOX News Services to:
- Post, upload or otherwise transmit or link to Content that is: unlawful; threatening; harmful; abusive; pornographic or includes nudity; offensive; harassing; excessively violent; tortuous; defamatory; invasive of another's privacy, publicity, copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, contract or other rights; false or misleading; obscene; vulgar; libelous; hateful; or discriminatory;
- Violate the rights of others including patent, trademark, trademark, trade secret, copyright, privacy, publicity or other proprietary rights;
- Harass or harm another person;
- Exploit or endanger a minor;
- Impersonate or attempt to impersonate any person or entity;"

... it goes on, but those are the points most applicable to my concerns. The others are mostly about blocking their advertising and commercial promotion.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
Might I recommend you email the Mods and ask them to silence YJ for spamming the forum with threats to rape my daughters…If anything is deserving of Mod action, I would think threats against children would be sufficient.

I have already emailed them, but would help if others do, too.
hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
@Krellin,
I will say I felt that comment string was beyond the pale. I'm less concerned about getting him silenced than I am about making sure JMO has a clear policy that the site will not enable or tolerate that sort of action. If you sued, he'd be on the hook.
hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
To cover JMO's ass, a proper policy should make it clear that users may not use the site for (among other things) any illegal purposes, including dissemination of illegal images, threatening, harassing, libelous, defamatory, or abusive language, or to violate any entity's rights, including privacy, trademark, or copyright.
Sbyvl36 (439 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
@krellin: What's the thread ID for that?
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
I made my comments to him and his supporters - I personally don't find him offensive -- it is expected from him - he's a little dog yipping and snarling. But he has travelled from thread to thread doing this, which is clearly spamming the forum with the same content over and over again. Plus, the community *seems* to be in agreement on both "left and right" that he was over the top. I'm no saint here...but there are damned few saints (I just happen to have a particular flair...) But...if there is a line, I would think "violence against women" and "vilence against children" would clearly be crossing it. I think most of us are mature enough to handle personal insults and attacks. I think there are few that tolerate that sort of atatck.

YJ needs to be silenced, for the good of all.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
Oh god...just look up one of the many krellin threads that were created about me (which should have been considered spam and silenced/locked down, as well) and read. YJ will be there with his threats against my daughters. They are not hard to find. I'm not going to read them again and post links - I have better ways to kill brain cells.

Mind you - I am not complaining about attack threads or insults against me -- I'm a big boy, I can dish it out and I can take.

General threats of rape against young girls, though? I sincerely hope there isnt' anyone beyond YJ that thinks that's acepted.

It's like when the Supreme Court tried to define porn...."I can't define it, but I know it when I see it". Many have seen YJ's posts...there isn't a soul among us who can defend it, I think.
hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
@Sbyvl,

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1037958#1037958
Page 2, middle of the page, a long comment string from YJ.

@Krellin, Some of your past comments *may* have been over the line, but YJ's here would seem to be beyond defensible, particularly given that at the top of the next page, he considered whether to apologize, decided not to, and doubled-down.
SYnapse (0 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
Nor a soul among us who can defend you krellin
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
And....I was wrong....this was SYnner's tacit defense of YJ.

I guess sociobiologists don't care about violence against women, huh, SYnner? Just another thought experiment to you? Ahhh....I'm proud of you for keeping your objectivity intact...
Sbyvl36 (439 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
I saw what YJ said. It is disgusting and despicable. I hope the mods see it.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
it was also in multiple threads. Feel free to email the mods.
SYnapse (0 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
Did you read my message? I said nor can we defend you.

I predict that Krellin wouldn't last 1 week of this policy.
hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
@SYn,
Maybe he wouldn't. But isn't it time for a more objective standard to hold him and others to?
SYnapse (0 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
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Yes I agree completely.

I don't think YJ's comments were as offensive as things Krellin has written to me in the past. He has called me a retard innumerous times and called me homosexual and other things.
hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
Before Krellin jumps in to defend himself, let's not debate who said what and what was worse. We've reached a point where we need some standards, and there seems to be broad agreement on that.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
There it is again...SYnner defendig YJ. No, SYnner, calling you - directed at you - retarded is not the same as YJ threatening to rape a minor child. And...wait...you are a sociobiolgist researcher, and you can't figure that out? And if I called you a homosexual, I believe it was *right after* you said you were not a heterosexual, and were weilding that status as somehow giving you greater insight to the world...<rolls eyes...>

But...fine, if threatening Violence against minor girls is acceptable behavior to YJ and SYnner (and now I dare say a few others in Liberaltown)...then this is a far worse place than I realized, and you are a far worse human than I realized.

And yes...you ARE sayign it is acceptable, SYnner...you are trying to minimize it, equivocate, etc. Because you are too much of a damned **coward** to truly scold one of your own kind.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
But it's not just the attack...it's the fact that he SPAMMED the forum with it juimping from thread to thread with the same threats. THAT is his violation of the rules for which he should be silenced. He knows better than to spam.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
"You shall not submit any libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, abusive or otherwise illegal material. Please use respectful language that does not abuse or discriminate on the basis of race, religion, nationality, gender, sexual preference, age, region, disability, etc. Hate speech of any kind is grounds for immediate and permanent suspension of access to all parts of this service."

The only problem is that the above definitions are extremely, *extremely* arbitrary. Who gets to decide what is abusive or otherwise constitutes hate language? The mods? No, they've got far more important shit to do, not only on this site but also in their real lives.

There's already a rule against excessive forum trolling, which is admittedly seldom enforced but still in effect if need be. If you think the forum is getting trolled to an unreasonable degree, you should probably contact the mods and ask them to look into it.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that most of the forum community will go for these arbitrary, bullshit, anti-free-speech, police-state rules. If krellin is annoying or otherwise pissing you off, contact the mods and they might mute him for a week or give him a stern warning about forum etiquette.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
09 Aug 13 UTC
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Have they all been banned yet?
hecks (164 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
@Gunfighter,
Actually, I don't see an official rule on "trolling" nor a definition thereof. All I see for rules on forum content is as follows:

"7. Do not spam the forum or private messaging system
You are welcome and indeed encouraged to join in with the community but be sensible. Try to keep replies relevant to the conversation and don't start too many threads at once. Before posting a question relating to the software please read the FAQ."

I just want to see more robust definitions of what is sensible and acceptable behavior, because appealing to the community to "be sensible" doesn't seem to be working any more. If the site doesn't cover its ass, it could be legally liable if someone did something that could be considered illegal.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
"7. Do not spam the forum

This is why I mentioned the YJ **was** spamming the forum with threats to rape minor girls.
krellin (80 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
THAT is why he needs corrective action taken against him.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
09 Aug 13 UTC
" Try to keep replies relevant to the conversation"
Oh no I'm in breach of every single thread ...... bollocks !!
Cachimbo (1181 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
I don't think it's that extreme, no...

It's a bloody notion of simple, minimal, respect for the others, one that internet often renders people blind to.

Krellin: you have some nerve playing the offended virgin here... You have made comments about people and their views, and on more than one occasion, that went well beyond the realm of minimal respect. That YJ was an utter ass and did something wrong, something wrong that was directed at you, does not mean that you're absolved from all that you've said and done here.

And again: free speech is a way to protect the freedom of thought. That is, the reasoning behind that right is that one should always feel free to speak one's mind. But that does not entail one to use just any mean to express their stuff. Hate speech or threats or violence in general is not protected by free speech.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
09 Aug 13 UTC
Has YJ been banned for promoting paedophilia?

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Orka (785 D)
09 Aug 13 UTC
need people
Join a 500 bet anonymous winner take all. Game name 500 on the table
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President Eden (2750 D)
08 Aug 13 UTC
hey krellin!!!!
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Draugnar (0 DX)
09 Aug 13 UTC
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so I create one new thread to support a friend...
More inside.
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2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
07 Aug 13 UTC
Who's the top?
krellin or Sbyvl?
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taos (281 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
how to make a website like this one
Please comment
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mendax (321 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
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Dear Krellin, who do you hate?
I'd like to start a game with some cool lefties/decent people, and figured the quickest way to work out who to invite was to ask you who you hated most. At the moment I'm thinking a game with Tolstoy, Major Mitchell, Thucy, Cachimbo, Hecks and Bo-sox would be fun. Did I miss anyone?
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
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Who's the bottom?
klein or YellowJacket?
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Sephiroth (100 D)
08 Aug 13 UTC
Ask about rule of Dilomacy Game
I'm playing A Dilomacy Game in a Forum. Russia Order: Vienna move to Tyrolia. Italian Order: Tyrolia move Trieste, Venezia Hold. Austria Order: Triest support move to Venezia from Apulia. Ottoman Order: Apullia move to Venezia

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semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jul 13 UTC
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The Libertarian Rift
It is often claimed that divisions in the GOP run clearly along statist/libertarian lines, but this is frequently unclear in practice, as there are a good many other divisions and alignments as well (as in the Democratic Party). Here is a particularly clean example of the former, however.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/354552/nsa-fight-jonathan-strong
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
08 Aug 13 UTC
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The next debate challenge
this is not a hey krellin thread.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Aug 13 UTC
Hey krellin!
I'm here for you my friend!
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erik8asandwich (298 D)
05 Aug 13 UTC
Replacement for Summer League Games
Hi all. I am looking for someone who would be willing to replace one of the seven members in our Summer League. She abruptly decided to give up Diplomacy and her departure has halted our league play.

If you are interested in replacing someone who is in a great position in the League message me and I can send you more information. Thanks.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 Aug 13 UTC
Time Added to Games
I've added 4 hours to all games and reset the processing. Please let me know asap if you notice a problem with your game.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
ADVERTISE YOUR VIEWS ON KRELLIN HERE
Utilize this thread by posting your views about Krellin, homosexual slurs directed against him, and any similar messages here and only here.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
04 Aug 13 UTC
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Who the fuck +1s krellin's inane troll threads?
Identify yourself. It's one person who does it. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
08 Aug 13 UTC
Hey Krellin
Could you warn me whenever you read a good argument against you in one of the many threads? I was thinking we might have to recruit some secretaries who can filter out arguments like Kafkatraps, complete fiction, partial fiction, anything including the word nigger, so we can focus on the arguments that can be considered worthy of your time. Post interest in becoming secretary in this thread and I'll get you a form.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
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How DARE Soldiers Fighting Religious Fanatics Not Be Religious?!
http://news.yahoo.com/u-military-problem-atheists-065000534.html
I find that ironic in the US Military's case (for the above-stated reason)...but it's an issue that crops up every now and again, people thinking that a lack of religious belief MUST mean you're "at risk," or "depressed" or a danger to yourself or others...how about we're not convinced by the "evidence" for God and think that Religion kills (and encourages killing at that) and leave us be?
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Aug 13 UTC
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Fear of Clowns (Lighthearted)
http://www.npr.org/2013/08/06/209494071/fear-of-clowns-yes-its-real

* Hey folks...sorry for the thread bombing we have **all** been doing...so here is a little something lighthearted to discuss I heard on NPR yesterday.
* Are you afraid of clowns? Grown men in makeup doing socially unacceptable things, often to children? (Like touching, squirting them with water, etc. while hiding behind a mask?) Or are they innocuous fun?
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krellin (80 DX)
06 Aug 13 UTC
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Kafkatrapping - Liberal Arguments Explained
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

Awesome read -- explains perfectly how Liberals argue. You will see these techniques repeated *continuously* around here.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Aug 13 UTC
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I'm going to start calling other white people "cracker."
Gotta take it back.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
07 Aug 13 UTC
enjoy to live krellin here and only here
live krellin go gogog
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LakersFan (899 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
Why Republicans Rock
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/06/1229244/-Rick-Perry-forgets-where-he-is
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
295 versus Turnpike
I'll be headed to New Jersey in a few weeks and was hoping to get some insight on this. Is there any benefit to taking I-295 to the I-195 junction instead of paying the tolls on the NJ Turnpike (northbound from Delaware)?
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