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glisbao (185 D)
25 Jun 14 UTC
Populism and Democracy
I've heard in here that populism is the plague that affects democracy (the topic praising appeasement). I would like people to elaborate on the subject - how does populism undermine the democratic principles, and what can we learn about this in history?
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Putin33 (111 D)
25 Jun 14 UTC
But if people are too stupid to vote then they're probably too stupid to do a lot of other things properly. If leadership fails in government it probably fails in business.
glisbao (185 D)
25 Jun 14 UTC
Make only proven business leaders eligible then. Hahaha.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
"A political literacy test would be an interesting development. I personally don't think anyone should be allowed to vote without first at least knowing a few of the policies of the major parties."
I am glad this issue about political literacy has been raised because in itself it actually negates democracy.
Democracy is not about what you do and don't know in policy terms. It is the equal right to have your say on who governs you, this is very important.
The reason why real people don't engage/relate on a personal level with political types because they are a bunch of duplicitous hypocritical back-stabbers who spend most of the time covering their own arse and blaming someone else for their failings.
If you give a group of people the facts about the individual candidates a collective conscience will develop that says "this person is probably the best person to do the job as this moment in time". The individuals within the collective (the electorate) do not have to know much about this persons policies, they get a feeling about a person and they base their vote on that 'feeling'.
It worked for Obama and for Clinton and for Thatcher and for Blair, charismatic people that wooed the public into voting for them.
When you look back at their political careers they may have done some shit stuff but people still voted for them because of what they said and not what they did.

With regard to Business leaders that has to be the biggest joke going, they are so many shite people running big business it is unbelievable.
The good thing for them is when they fuck up they get a huge pay off. Where was the leadership during the banking crisis back in 2008.
Gordon Brown was Churchillian during this time when business and govt heads the world over were shitting themselves, frozen by fear, incapable of action. Business leaders, don't make me larf !!
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
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Perfect timing, what were we saying about business leaders and democracy. Check the link headline ...... 'US prosecutors announce fraud charges against Barclays'

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28030351
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
"The reason why real people don't engage/relate on a personal level with political types because they are a bunch of duplicitous hypocritical back-stabbers who spend most of the time covering their own arse and blaming someone else for their failings."

Spoken like a true populist.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
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No Putin, that comes from my many years experience actively involved in politics.
I don't even have a Twitter account because you know what, I don't give a fuck what Stephen Fry had for breakfast......
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
Because populism is equated with social media usage and not the evil elite vs good masses dichotomy, right?
You were active? What party?
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
I am still a card carrying member of the Labour Party, I still stand in my local elections, albeit in a Tory stronghold.
As mark Hughes once said to me when he was playing for Chelsea 'Once a Red, always a Red'.
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
LOL, what's your take on top advisers leaving the sinking ship that is Ed Miliband?

When inheritance tax opponents and Bergdahl smearers like Nigee comprise NuLabour it's no wonder they're a shambles.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
Putin, how big is your dick? Just wondering, it may explain a lot ......
Jamiet99uk (35 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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I was a member of the Labour Party until last year. Ed Miliband drove me out.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
That is the kind of thing Ed would do .... but I think we all realize he is just a caretaker, a bit like Roy Hodgson as England coach.
TheMinisterOfWar (509 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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I still think they chose the wrong Miliband.
SYnapse (0 D X)
26 Jun 14 UTC
I met all of the leadership candidates and was most impressed by Ed at the time.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
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That is democracy for you .... gets them every time. The Tories voted in Cameron because he wasn't David Davies :-)
Octavious (1717 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
I've always assumed they must have anticipated the election being a walkover, which allowed them the freedom to choose someone whose ideals appealed to them rather than someone more in tune with the public. In hindsight David would have been a far better choice for an election fight.
Jamiet99uk (35 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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Ed's ideals don't appeal to me. He's made cheap jokes about his father's marxism, he's opposed to nationalisation, he supported the welfare cap and didn't oppose workfare. He's a toad.
Octavious (1717 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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@ Jamie

Stop it. You're in danger of making me like him. :p
Jamiet99uk (35 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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You should like him. He's a business-friendly centre-right economist who believes in cutting welfare spending and supporting privatisation. If he had any charisma whatsoever he'd make a great Tory leader.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
He's a big Disraeli fan ..... don't ask me why ??
"But if people are too stupid to vote then they're probably too stupid to do a lot of other things properly. If leadership fails in government it probably fails in business."

Oh it certainly does, don't get me wrong. It's hard to find truly good leaders in any avenue of life. The problem isn't unique to government, that's just the context in which it's being discussed itt.
Ogion (4375 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
Populism is merely the disparaging term elites give to democracy when it gets in the way of their pillaging the rest of society. Democracy's greatest strength is in its ability to put a brake on the ability of the powerful to shape things in ways that make things worse for everyone else by giving everyone else a veto. Time and time again you find businesses harming the economy through preferential rules or health and general welfare through fraud, unfair business practices, and pollution. It is pretty well established that leading businesses undermines the moral and ethical judgment that is fundamentally important to being a political leader, which is why business leaders are terrible choices for political leaders. They are too used to having things their way because they order it and far to used to thinking that their own money and their own benefit is the only thing that matters and far to used to coming up with specious moral justifications for why this is acceptable. Instead of making governess run more like businesses, businesses should be run more like governments and be require to show how their activities benefit society and contribute to the welfare of others. Management research has shown that frequently that public institutions are typically more efficient because the individuals in them are motivated by their mission and the public good that in bilking the public for profit. By keeping an eye on the proper mission of society, democracy provides an ability to counteract the failures of the market and provide a counter weight to the worst excesses of business. So no, populism isn't a weakness of democracy, it is what makes capitalism work. Without it, you simply end up with a crony capitalist cabal of oligarchs who would destroy the conditions necessary to a functioning economy and society by creating all kinds of unfair regimes to prevent competitors from succeeding and to steal as much as possible from the populace
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
The only person worse than Ed Miliband is David Miliband. Rancid Blairite which effectively means rancid Tory.
Octavious (1717 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
You're such a hater
Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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My hate is pure, though.


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ArmaGGedon (100 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
live game
hi, someone to anime live game :P
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NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
26 Jun 14 UTC
The link between having a large penis and self-confidence
Here is something you guys should all know something about, please share your thoughts if you've got the balls to do so :-)
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peterwiggin (15247 D Mod (S))
25 Jun 14 UTC
Man walks into McDonald's with knife in back
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-mcdonalds-knife-back-20140625-story.html
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rayanking (0 D)
25 Jun 14 UTC
join fast victory 4 $$$
it's a great and a live game, it cost only 10 D and in classic map. So let the game start.:)
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jmo1121109 (3802 D Mod)
18 Jun 14 UTC
Many open games
Today's number is 38. I suggest everyone check out some of the open games. Post here with any games you take over for the next 48 hours and you'll get reimbursed for them. PM me for anonymous games. Games with more then 1 banned cheater will probably be cancelled so don't join them.
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Putin33 (111 D)
25 Jun 14 UTC
Appeasement: unfairly maligned strategy?
I've been reading quite a bit about British & French foreign policy at the turn of the century, and it seems like appeasement (reduction of tensions through concessions) has gotten an unnecessarily bad reputation.
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Tolstoy (2033 D)
22 Jun 14 UTC
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Can atheists believe in free will?
If our consciousness is simply a product of the mushy 3-dimensional circuit board we call a brain, governed entirely by the fixed and unchanging laws of physics and chemistry, is there any kind of free will? Or are all our decisions in life predetermined, like a computer program running through its code, simply responding to various inputs?
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rojimy1123 (612 D)
25 Jun 14 UTC
Taking over CDs
I have recently taken over 2 positions in games where players left. I am wondering why my profile says I haven't taken over CD's at all.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
20 Jun 14 UTC
Again--This is NOT a Christian Country...
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-obama-must-defend-christian-values-192212780--election.html Christians live here--AND Jews, AND Muslims, AND Buddhists and Hindus and Atheists (fastest growing group!) AND dozens of others (including, hey, all those Native American tribes and religions...many of which were criminalized in part until the 1970s)...WHY? Why must Obama defend the values of a specific sect, when the Constitution clearly is anti-favoritism in terms of religion?
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Birchford (210 D)
25 Jun 14 UTC
Parameter 'fromTerrID' set to invalid value '32'
Hello, has anyone encountered this error before, and if so do you have a fix for it? Thanks for your help.
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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
24 Jun 14 UTC
Commenting on ongoing gunboat games
I realise of course that you are not allowed to circumvent the no talking rule, like press via email or pm or f2f talking etc. but why is discussing the board in general disallowed? I get that I should not say who I am in the game but if someone is to talk about the board unbiased and without revealing who they are would this be acceptable?
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ssorenn (3242 D (G))
09 Jun 14 UTC
Two team members per country game?
Would anyone be interested in creating a game, that each of the 7 clasic countries were comprised of two team members consulting together. I understand that only one can actually be listed in the game itself, but maybe create a side pot for the second team members that would pay out equally at end of game
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KingCyrus (512 D)
24 Jun 14 UTC
Boys State
Anyone familiar with this program?
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Buzzle (1531 D)
23 Jun 14 UTC
multi-players
What if you have strong suspicions that someone is multi-playing in a game? Who do you contact to check into it?
38 replies
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fulhamish (4134 D)
24 Jun 14 UTC
US constitution
I readily admit to starting from a low base on this one, but.....
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SYnapse (0 D X)
24 Jun 14 UTC
Jihadists in Syria
Right now David Cameron is going on about the "threat" from Jihadists leaving the UK to go fight in Iraq and Syria.
Am I missing something? Why are Jihadists fighting in Syria a threat here? To me, it seems no more different than Orwell fighting in Spain.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
24 Jun 14 UTC
Putin on Putin: An Open Invitation to Putin33 on the Russia/Ukraine/Syria Crisis
Welcome BACK, Putin33...my oh my, how the world of international politics has exploded since you last graced us with your presence...are you ready to decry your namesake for the scourge of the world that he is? Most assuredly not, but let this be an open letter and open invitation for you to give YOUR take on the whole of the crisis--and your namesake in particular--as so many have been wondering if you'd capitulate to common sense and call him out for the thug Big Bad Vlad is.
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
23 Jun 14 UTC
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Can atheists believe in free willy?
If our consciousness is simply a product of the mushy 3-dimensional circuit board we call a brain, governed entirely by the fixed and unchanging laws of physics and chemistry, is it possible to believe that a disaffected but endearing youth could inspire a captive orca whale to jump out of the water and over a 15 foot high sea wall?
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curupira (3549 D)
23 Jun 14 UTC
Classic variant: less than seven players.
I have recent engaged at this online Diplomacy. Long time ago, I did played this game in board. There were choices in the Classic Map for less than seven players. For six players, for example, one have to quit Turkey and Bulgaria. Is there any variants at this webDiplomacy that allow games of this kind? Could it be created?
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Chaqa (3014 D (B))
23 Jun 14 UTC
Pair of press games
gameID=143769
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If anyone's intereste.
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
17 Jun 14 UTC
Need some web design in the holidays?
Planning ahead, I'll probably be happy doing anything more useful than what most people usually do during holidays, so I figured that doing some web design for someone is a good way to help, brush up and improve my skills and perhaps even earn a couple of bucks. Perhaps someone has such a project for me?
See inside.
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oscarjd74 (100 D)
27 Feb 14 UTC
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Backseat Driver Diplomacy thread
gameID=136645

DO NOT POST IN HERE UNLESS YOU ARE ONE OF THE BACKSEAT DRIVERS IN THE BACKSEAT DRIVER GAME.
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
22 Jun 14 UTC
Variant?
New variant idea with alot of changes to Classic. would add to the naval combat substantially and would intentionally reduce ground forces at the start of the game changing possibly the direction the countries attacked at turn 0
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
22 Jun 14 UTC
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Challenge
I am looking for experienced players to play against so I can learn more and better myself? I realize i am relatively new but I think I have a valid argument for why I should be given the chance. Looking for a classic, PPSC, ANON no messaging game.
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trip (562 D (B))
19 Jun 14 UTC
Lusthog Gunboat
Lusthog = no voting to draw until a stalemate line has been established and held.
Anyone interested in a game or two?
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the southern lord (0 D X)
22 Jun 14 UTC
Strange orders
Hi,

Has anyone else noticed that the orders you've put in the past week, are often not what happens?
16 replies
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tvrocks (388 D)
23 Jun 14 UTC
need replacement
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bicycleforlife (112 D)
22 Jun 14 UTC
A Fool's Quest
Please consider joining this game if you have NOT been recently diagnosed with lock jaw. If however you LOVE Diplomacy...have a seat at the table. I will join you as soon as I am done in the kitchen sharpening the knives...
4 replies
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mapleleaf (0 D X)
21 Jun 14 UTC
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So, I was approaching this line-up at a convenience store or at least I thought I was...
...I guess the problem was I didn't know if I was going to the front or the back of the line because the clerk/owner was turned around on a stool...
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