Finished: 04 PM Mon 18 Aug 14 UTC
Imperium I
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: I agree with Germany.
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Maybe you should get Russia to stop killing you too. All I've done is taken Holland
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: I disagree. This is a clear three way R/F/I.

* If France goes for the solo, Russia and I are well placed to stop him (unless we don't defeat Turkey)
* If I go for the solo, France and Russia can stop me along the same line.

Russia isn't large enough to be a solo threat, but he's not small enough to be defeated by us either - without risking the solo. So, this is a clear three way draw.
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Of course France agrees - Russia making peace with Turkey is the very best thing to increase the chance of a French solo.
30 Jul 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: I find it rather interesting that the two smallest powers hold SCs of great influence of the outcome of the game. Pretty cool, eh?
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: It is interesting that's for sure.

France is going to keep gunning my way but will get blocked out of st. P at the end of the day, sure he can steam roll a good portion of the map, but I do know that italy will come to my aid in the north if I need it. I've already tried reasoning with mr. turkey, not much luck there.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: I've had my hands full with Italy.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: I think I can manage to take StP. But regardless I'll get blocked out of war/mos for sure and that's the 17-17 stalemate line. There's no way I can solo unless somebody allows me to haha
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: If I don't get an army up there fast enough you sur couldn't but Italy has all his units in the south and you could steam roll the line. so it puts me in a really bad position.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Austria has CD'd. Might I suggest a draw once Germany is eliminated?
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: That's for Italy to decide.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Italy.... *tick tick*
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: How about we just draw right now?? I mean, its not like 35 points is that much less than 44, right?? You guys really want to screw me over for 9 points??
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: I don't care about the points. A 4-way draw is better than a 5-way for my GR.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: but a 5 way draw is better than a defeat for your GR as well
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: So we are assuming we narrow it to a 3 way? even though france could steam roll norway denmark kiel sweden and munich this year? ahhaha, kids these days.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: I couldn't do all that in one year lmao..if you play it right, I'll get like, 2 of those.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Yes, you actually COULD, but....whatever.
30 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Yes, I COULD get them all if you didn't support hold a single SC... In fact, if you dont' do that and Germany supports me into Munich, I could get a 6 build year.
31 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Woah, this blew up while I was away.

In short, I agree with France. This is likely to end up on the 17/17 stalemate line, which will probably be a three way draw, unless Russia and I do something silly.

* If Russia and I work together, it doesn't matter what happens in the North. France will hit the 17/17 line, and we'll be on the other side of it. We're close to stalemating it already anyway.

* Since France won't be taking the solo, he's actually incentivised to take it slow through the north anyway - he'll want to wait until Turkey is gone before he hits against the stalemate line (otherwise we'll have a boring 4-way draw, rather than the ideal 3-way).

* Neither Russia or I are incentivised to make peace with Turkey, since it just increases France's chance of a solo if Turkey doesn't go for peace, or increases the draw to a 4-way.

Since this was mentioned earlier - I don't think the absence of Austria affects the outcome of game, so I'm reluctant to draw because of his CD.
31 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: If it comes down to it I will do everything in my power to make France win - including cutting all sorts of supports. France, get to St. pete ASAP
31 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: It is even clearer now that this is a 3-way draw.
31 Jul 14 UTC Spring, 1908: To be clear, that is in the event you try to eliminate me. If you let me in the draw, I play nice.
02 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Support holding Munich

Put this in global to save myself the trouble of sending it to multiple countries...
Thanks
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: I am putting this in global again just to save myself any trouble.

If Russia does not move out of Prussia, I am throwing the game for France. I will not be support holding Munich, but Silesia and Tyrolia will. That way you do not have anyone to support yourself into Berlin. France will be attacking Munich with all three of his units to ensure that you guys follow my instructions. If you guys dont, then France gets into Munich, and he solos for sure.
If Russia refuses to move out of Prussia this turn, then next turn I support France into wherever he wants. There is no way you guys kill me unless France, Italy, and Russia trust each other, and with a solo on the line, I dont know if you guys can do that. Dont make a mistake, let me live.

Thanks, Germany.
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Just realized that France is in Baltic.....

This is awkward

This changes things a bit, because now France can possible get Berlin... well, all I can say is that Prussia better be support holding me so that France does not get in.
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: There's always the chance that I fuck up my move set like I did this past season...enter the two supports but attack my own SC lol
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Well, you can take solace in the fact that you wouldn't have taken Munich anyway :)
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: That is very true.
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Not to cause a panic, but I think that Italy is a bigger threat than France. If he snags Warsaw, Smyrna, and Ankara, he is at 15 SC's, with France at 14. I say we just all hit draw right now and solve all sorts of problems.
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: So germany, now this is super awkward...ha...
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: And where's my 16th, 17th and 18th? I can't solo from here. And, if we play it right, neither can France.
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Italy can I have a shipment of your renown lasagna? I'm hungry =]
05 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Well, normally I'd say "certainly, in exchange for Iberia". But we've got such a nice line going on down there, it would be a shame to ruin it.

You may. This one's on the house.
09 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1910: Looks like I forgot to order the rest of the convoy to Rome. Whoops.
11 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1910: sssssoooo, with germany gone...after this year.....how bout that draw?
12 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1911: So nobody is going to be good on their word and this was all in vain?
13 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1911: Sorry, Russia.
13 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1911: What I don't understand is that this entire time you would have never made it close to 17 without me, it wasn't your negotiation skills that led me to disband a ton of units, it was confidence in the fact that you would be a player of your word which let me so willingly trust you. It was France too, many units I pulled back intentionally. I refused to listen to France and the position you're in now, wouldn't have happened without me. I deserve to be part of this draw. And by you kicking me out of it reflects your unwillingness to recognize who helped you get this far in the game. That's all I have to say.
13 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1911: What I don't understand is that this entire time you would have never made it close to 17 without me, it wasn't your negotiation skills that led me to disband a ton of units, it was confidence in the fact that you would be a player of your word which let me so willingly trust you. It was France too, many units I pulled back intentionally. I refused to listen to France and the position you're in now, wouldn't have happened without me. I deserve to be part of this draw. And by you kicking me out of it reflects your unwillingness to recognize who helped you get this far in the game. That's all I have to say.
13 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1911: Ah well. This IS a three way after all. France?
14 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1912: I agree with you. I wouldn't be in this position without Russia (although I suspect that France might have already soloed were we not working together).

I was ready to make the three way, as I thought there was no way to safely cut to a two way. France convinced me we could narrow it, so I went with him. But, now that he's up against the line, there really IS no way we can narrow it without a French solo. So I once again think this is a three way.
14 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1912: Change of plan, because apparently I am the Game changer.
14 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1912: I am going to suggest a draw for all players here. I am going to hold moscow, it will not attack warsaw, it will not move to St.P so italy can grab it. If you want to get points you'll all have to draw. if you could please gentlemen, put up your draw votes.
14 Aug 14 UTC Autumn, 1912: Draw, France. I'm not taking Russia out today.
14 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1913: Now will you draw? We had the opportunity to take the two way earlier, but you supported Russia. Then, Russia let me live- and in exchange, I'm going to keep him in the draw.

The time for the two way has passed.
16 Aug 14 UTC Spring, 1913: Draw please, France. I'm not taking Russia out.
16 Aug 14 UTC France, you've done a great job of shuffling your line so that I could take Russia out with safety.

But, I'm still not going to do it. He could have thrown the game to you, and didn't. I owe him, so I'll be keeping him alive.

Draw please. We're both at stalemate lines. There's no more play left in this game.
17 Aug 14 UTC gg
17 Aug 14 UTC Good game, everyone.

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France
Kallen (1169 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
Italy
A_Tin_Can (2244 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Russia
SandgooseXXI (113 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
England
Peterland (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Germany
Squigs44 (260 D Mod)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Austria
MercuryCobra (20 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Turkey
Chaqa (3938 D Mod (B))
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Civil Disorders
MercuryCobra (20 D)Austria (Spring, 1907) with 1 centres.
Peterland (100 D)England (Autumn, 1903) with 0 centres.
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