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ssorenn (0 D X)
18 Aug 15 UTC
Looking for more friends and enemies.
Come get some game on 25hour/30-100pt/wta/FP/Anon
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PrincessJellyfish (186 D)
19 Aug 15 UTC
Need one more player
Hello! We need one more player in The House of Black and White. Please join, if you're interested! http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=166112
Password: history
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
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"What the Black Lives Matter campaign gets wrong" - the Economist gets it right
Is it my impression, or has it taken too long for the mainstream media to expose the Black Lives Matter movement in America for the nonsense that it is?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/08/race-and-criminal-justice
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NerfedFalcon (100 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
New player looking for advice
As someone who's never played Diplomacy before, I don't really want to join a game that's already in progress, being unable to gauge its position. At the same time, if I start a game that I want to say is 'for noobs' then a bunch of people will join it and destroy everyone else. There also aren't any starting-up games which will accept me as a brand-new player. Which approach is better for getting started: picking up games in progress, or starting my own games?
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keyser42soze (151 D)
17 Aug 15 UTC
Hoping for a love child from webDiplomacy and Backstabbr
I just started playing online for the first time since the Diplomacy Judge days, and have a couple games here and a couple games at Backstabbr. I love the features here, but the UI for Backstabbr is far nicer (in the sense that it's easier to tell what's happening on the board). Any chance the developers here would work on a cleaner UI inspired by Backstabbr? Do others agree that the webDiplomacy UI could be improved?
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abgemacht (1076 D (G))
16 Aug 15 UTC
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World of Warships
I'll be playing World of Warships for a while. If anyone's interested in joining me, feel free to add me.

If you don't know, WoWS is a very fun Free-to-Play game: http://worldofwarships.com/
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kahudd2000 (157 D)
18 Aug 15 UTC
Where it went wrong
I thought I remember a proposed series called "Where it went wrong" or something like that.

Did no one have a game they wanted dissected? Because I wouldn't mind submitting some of my gunboat play to criticism.
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A_Tin_Can (2244 D)
19 Aug 15 UTC
Live game this Friday?
see inside!
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Hamilton Brian (739 D (B))
19 Aug 15 UTC
Sources of Tension
An exploration of those positionings that test an alliance. Feel free to add your thoughts, views, observations, etc. If you shit though, clean up after yourself.
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Ogion (3974 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
Welcome back party!
Friends,

I've been away for the last six months, and I thought I'd throw myself a little welcome back bash.
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ckroberts (3548 D)
05 Aug 15 UTC
The Mountain Game 4 rules discussion/sign up thread
The Mountain Game 4 will commence soon.
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Rodgersd09 (100 D)
17 Aug 15 UTC
"A good games" was cancelled - Do any players know why?
Damn - I was enjoying it as well!
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Constitutional Rights for Embryonic Americans?
In the GOP debate last Thursday, unsurprisingly, abortion was a point of discussion amongst candidates. Obviously they were all pro-life to some extent or another, but Mike Huckabee went so far as to say that abortion was already illegal, because unborn children have the rights to equal protection under the law and due process. Right from conception, they have constitutional rights, he argues.

Regardless of your position on abortion, is this a valid argument?
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Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
10 Aug 15 UTC
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Don't have time to read all of this to see if it has been posted yet, but in your first attempt to list the definitions of a "mother", bo sox, it seems you conveniently left out this one straight from dictionary.com: " A woman who conceives, gives birth to, or raises and nurtures a child."
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
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By this definition, it is also clear that a fetus is a child upon conception, but if you need another definition, here is the one for conceive: "to become pregnant with (a child)". So, following our course of logic here, it still stands that it very well could be unconstitutional to have an abortion regardless of whether you believe a woman should have that right or not.
I echo Manwe (or perhaps vice versa, as see the top half of page 2).

"So, following our course of logic here, it still stands that it very well could be unconstitutional to have an abortion regardless of whether you believe a woman should have that right or not."
I like this. It sounds (potentially) internally contradictory at first yet turns out not to be. Nicely done!
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
Manwe, I clearly said I used Apple Dictionary. I guess they're not all the same. I also conceded that point awhile ago.

A fetus is not a child upon conception, it is a fetus.
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
Or, rather, it's an embryo, and then it becomes a fetus.
JamesYanik asked (what I thought was) a worthwhile question, and it was never really addressed. I'm not sure re-posting it will produce a different outcome, but I'm willing to try.

James said:

"HERE!!! Should a woman with plenty of money, a loving boyfriend who would be the dad, who has no scheduling problems with a child, no chance of a miscarriage, no pain or injury during pregnancy, be allowed to get an abortion after a month of pregnancy? Is it her right? (Please if you respond to this only address my situation that is given, do not address the probability of my situation happening. I want to keep this question purely off of human morals, to establish a core idea of what we're dealing with.)"
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
Scientifically speaking, yes, because that isn't a child yet, but I understand the moral platform against that.
A disadvantaged woman (from an economic, relationship, or medical standpoint) should have the right to an abortion, judging by my morals.

However, can we pick and choose who is allowed abortions and who is not? Maybe, but there would be a blurry line between eligibility and ineligibility for abortion that would lead to arbitrary speculations about what defines "the capacity to mother a child" or something like that.

In any case, a mother who does not want a child is simultaneously unfit to have a child, and should be at the liberty to, well, abort it.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
Ah, you did say you used apple dictionary, I missed that somehow, sorry. But I do not understand why you are still saying a fetus (and an embryo) is not a child when a page ago you agreed with Outside Smoker that it was. And I will not discuss Yanik's situation because it is irrelevant to the main topic of this thread.
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
I said that the dictionary definition of certain words seemed to imply that a fetus is at some point in its existence as a fetus also a child, even though that is scientifically incorrect. I didn't say that that was right, I just said that the dictionary said it, and since that's what I used to make my argument, I can't really say that it's not a valid way of doing so. It's just wrong.
Durga (3659 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
You're all aware than even dictionaries have bias when describing words right? There is a reason why they are all different.
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
Do I? Yes, a dictionary can stipulate its own definition as it pleases. That doesn't mean that a widely used dictionary isn't a fairly reliable source for the widely used definitions of words.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
Well, you can believe the definition of a child should not be able to imply that a fetus is not a child all you want, but the fact of the matter seems to be that it does. We have already established that the definition of a mother also implies that women who have conceived an offspring are mothers. Therefore, we can say that based on the naturalization laws of the United States, some fetuses (children) may already be U.S. citizens if their mother is a U.S. citizen or has been naturalized already. This would grant all fetuses the right to all rights conveyed to U.S. citizens in the Constitution including those in the fourth and 14th amendments making abortion unconstitutional.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
that a fetus is a child*
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
This would grant at least some fetuses* (I know, I should have proof read)
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
Manwe, my point is that, scientifically speaking, a fetus is not a child. I'm saying that that definition is simply incorrect.

Also, if you are going to say that fetuses created in the United States should be citizens, then you're saying that anyone who had sex and conceived a child in the United States who was later born in Mexico is perfectly legal to walk over any time they want. You can't choose between the two.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
Well, that is not what I said at all because I said that the mother had to be a U.S. citizen (I will now add that the father could also be a U.S. citizen) for the child to be eligible to automatically be a citizen. Where the fetus is created does not matter, it only matters that at least one of the parents is a U.S. citizen at the time of conception.
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
Under our naturalization laws, does the mother have to be a US citizen if the child is born in this country?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Aug 15 UTC
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@ ""HERE!!! Should a woman with plenty of money... be allowed to get an abortion after a month of pregnancy? Is it her right?"

Yes. And no child should be brought into this world be a woman who doesn't want to do just that. It is contrary to the childs welfare.

What the boyfriend wants here is irrelevant, and there is always a risk to the health of the mother, so this situation literally never occurs. But in principle, yes, the woman should be able to abort after one month, and shoul he able to choose to take the morning after pill within 72 hours of having sex ( to prevent implantation ) and should be able to take 'the pill' to provide a 'hostile environment in the first place, again preventing implantation.

All of these methods should he available so that women can control their bodies and choose if/when they bring a child into the world. And all children will be better off as a result. This is a moral principle, and it is not our place to determine when to restrict those rights based on the wealth, health, time, or existance of a supportive boyfriend... It is the woman place to take her circumstances into account. Always. Every. Single. Time.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
First the liberals want to change the traditional definition of marriage.
Now they want to change the definition of person and citizen!!!!
IshmaelGuantanamoIV (100 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
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@Jeff Kuta
Personhood laws are typically advocated for by pro-lifers, not liberals.
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
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Ora, what do you mean by "implantation," the IUD?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Aug 15 UTC
The deinition of marraige has never not been changing.

Jeff you are conpletely blind if you do not see this.

@Bo - what i mean by implantation is the process after conception where the zygote implants into the uterus wall, (or in ectopic pregnancies into the fallopian tube wall). This is a necessary step for that single cell to be fed an then go on to develop into an embryo. (If my biology is half decent, and i admit to being a physicist not a biologist)

And implantation doen't occur if the woman is about to begin menstrating. As that uteral wall lining is about to he flushed out. Or indeed if implantation does occur, the embryo gets flushed out anyway because it was too late.

The morning after pill or emergency contraception is just one way to stimulate this natural process. There are many places you could draw the line.

Is this any different than taking the contraceptive pill?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Aug 15 UTC
@jeff, are you arguing that black people should count as 3/5ths of a person for constitutional purposes? Just because that is the original definition agreed by whoever compromised that piece of work?

I mean maybe you could argue for giving them 3/5ths of all their rights... Maybe the right to 3/5ths of life would be better than what happened in fergusson.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
My comment was meant to be tongue in cheek. I guess I need to use more exclamation points.

Clearly the definition of marriage, a human legal and moral construct, changes over time. It should. I just think that pro-lifers (mostly conservatives) should recognize that *they* are the ones trying to redefine citizen, child, person and individual. They are the activists fighting for change.
bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
11 Aug 15 UTC
Oh, so that's a different process. How far into a pregnancy can you do that? Admittedly, I am not familiar with that procedure.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Aug 15 UTC
72 hours?
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
13 Aug 15 UTC
I believe our current laws state that any child born on American soil does automatically gain citizenship. But the keyword there is born. A child that belongs to an American parent upon conception gains naturalization from their parents being a citizen, a child conceived by foreigners in America does not have American parents and can not gain naturalization from them so he/she must be born on American soil.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
13 Aug 15 UTC
Children being born here and gaining citizenship has nothing to due with the naturalization laws, it has to do with the language of the fourteenth amendment which specifically states that children have to be born (not conceived) in order to gain citizenship through birthright. Naturalization is a separate process for those who were not born here but who have American parents.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
13 Aug 15 UTC
Or it can be used by people who move here and live here for a period of time who wish to gain citizenship.

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Jamiet99uk (443 D)
12 Aug 15 UTC
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Mafia
I'm getting sick of muting Mafia threads. Can someone launch a separate site for them or something?
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ssorenn (0 D X)
14 Aug 15 UTC
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Changes to site policy--
With this gunboat tourney going on, I think there should be a change to a site policy. ----see inside---
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Aug 15 UTC
sex slavery in IS
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/sex-slavery-adopted-and-codified-by-islamic-state-1.2317309
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2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
12 Aug 15 UTC
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2015 Gunboat Tournament
See inside.
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DeathLlama8 (524 D)
15 Aug 15 UTC
What do people use to adjudicate F2F games without a board?
Fairly self-explanatory, really. Backstabbr doesn't really work for me.
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Eadan (454 D)
15 Aug 15 UTC
We need someone to step in as Egypt
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=164461#votebar
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King Mischief (108 D)
15 Aug 15 UTC
world take over-4
come join world take over-4. I'm some what new to the game so, it could be easy $$$.
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Stubie (1817 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
Cutting Convoys
Is it possible to stop a supported convoy (where the fleet convoying is supported) with a supported attack of equal support, thus not dislodging the convoying fleet?
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Lebosfc17 (20 D X)
14 Aug 15 UTC
To The Mods
Does anybody remember DC35?
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Fluminator (496 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
I need help with a research paper!
It's due tomorrow night and I have to do a 12-15 page paper on how the internet of things and the third industrial revolution will affect society and more importantly the work force and employment.

I'm up to around 10 pages and I have no idea what to write for the last 2.
And no, increasing the font size of each period isn't allowed.
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4-8-15-16-23-42 (352 D)
14 Aug 15 UTC
Question- Help
See below.
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general (100 D)
13 Aug 15 UTC
Quick live game
Join my quick live game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=165983.

Haven't played in years and want to get back into it :)
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
13 Aug 15 UTC
Messed up, two 13 year olds tired as adults
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7979942?cps=gravity_5540_1138476008340655834

So teenagers brains are different from adult brains; that is a reason why we don't let them drink or drive... The frontal lobe which controls will-power and executive function ( ie decision making ) continues developing until about 25.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Aug 15 UTC
Risk taking
http://youtu.be/vBX-KulgJ1o
Great video, but the first thing i think of is relationships, (and given that i was recently dumped, this is no surprise) Naturally you could also apply this to diplomacy; but the probabilities get a little messed up, and in Dip not taking a bet means taking a different course, which may also be risky.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
10 Aug 15 UTC
Snowden Interview
Recent interview with German tv, apparently not shown in the US and not available on youtube?? m.liveleak.com/view?i=f93_1390833151

He makes some interesting points...
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fulhamish (4134 D)
12 Aug 15 UTC
Climate change - another feedback loop
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150805140254.htm

Time to recalibrate those models..........................again
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Jamiet99uk (443 D)
13 Aug 15 UTC
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The death of the republic
http://diprepublic.net/?reqp=1&reqr=

Oh no. How sad.
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