It is very much NOT all WTA gunboats. In fact, I find gunboats a mockery of the diplomacy game.

It should also be noted that what d31 says is incorrect (or misleading). Gunboats and variants count very little towards GR. GR is more geared (and weighed) for the classic game, not variants.

i'll tell you what's a mockery of the diplomacy game, 24hr phase length. it's not even a really a boardgame at that point. i read that info about ghost ratings. it doesn't say where the data comes from. i want a dump of the data so i can run an analysis on it. i'm not arguing for changing ghost ratings, whoever does it can do whatever he wants, i just want a rating for what really matters, which is LGBWTACV

@fk,
Do you have to mention your dislike of gunboat games every time you get a chance? I mean I greatly enjoy full press games, like the one I had with you, but gunboat games are also very fun on their own. GR is already weighed differently for gunboat games because it is a variant (1/35 or half of the normal amount, right?).

WTA gunboat is the most pure form of the game, hands down. Nobody can argue this. While the press version of diplomacy is extremely flawed, nobody is taking what you enjoy and pssing on it every chance they get, FK, so maybe you ought to show the real players on this site a little more respect.

I do hate to barge into this mess, but I agree with fk on this one. It's just full press is how the game was meant to be played. How it was meant to be played, imo, is the definition of "pure" Gunboat is diplomacy stripped of all of its fancier trappings, that's for sure, but I would pause before i used the term "pure"

OK, goldfinger, keep on believing this nonsense. bolshoi clearly hit the nail on the head and all your fans of the "simple" version of the game are losing your minds.

Wow, I can't believe anybody would actually that gunboat is the "purest" form of anything to do with Diplomacy. Note: if you find yourself this confused, consult the name of the game, which you will find, upon careful examination, to be "Diplomacy."

When talking is permitted, doesn't that really take the challenge away from the art of Diplomacy? I mean, you can say ANYTHING you want.

You people are crazy, all of you, except maybe zultar. But even he admitted to enjoy games with press.... however that may be possible.

"When talking is permitted, doesn't that really take the challenge away from the art of Diplomacy? I mean, you can say ANYTHING you want."

Yes, and that, along with the fact that everybody else can too, is exactly where the challenge comes from.

I guess maybe it's your experience in life that, as long as you're allowed to talk, you can easily convince anybody of anything, and they'll do whatever you say. But that is not my experience, and I find there is quite a lot of craft and challenge in verbally negotiating, convincing, and working together.

Regardless, if you prefer Gunboat, fine and good, but don't claim it's "purest diplomacy." THAT, unlike which game is better, is a demonstrably false and inane claim.

But gunboat is in a sense "guess what I'm doing based off of my moves and I'll guess what you're doing" That's not Diplomacy. Diplomacy is hashing things out with people, working out trades and bargins. You can offer deals and counter-deals. You can lie. It is meant to simulate how diplomacy and negotiations work in real life.

Yeah, Lando, I'm not saying gunboat is bad. I, as well as semck, just have an issue with calling gunboat the "purest" form of the game

Pretty sure Lando is trolling you guys, he seems to play a fair number of press games.

I don't see why you can't all just play though. They're separate games, and press is truer to the original, but they're both good games in their own right.

lol meltdowns

Thanks ghug, you understand.

Oops. In future I'll make sure not to answer questions when I'm not confident of the answer :(